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Date: 09 Jan 2009 09:38:43
From:
Subject: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 07:25:59
From:
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
On Jan 9, 11:38=A0am, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is just the beginning.. that h2h would look like 2-20 by the time
Feddy hangs up his racquet.


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 04:33:33
From: kaennorsing
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
On 10 jan, 13:00, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Sakari Lund wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:43:15 +0200, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
> >> Whisper wrote:
> >>> Hops wrote:
> >>>> On Jan 9, 4:08 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>> john wrote:
> >>>>>> "GOAT" <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:6cb1bb31-a900-4de6-96f7-b9f7cc999264@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.=
com...
>
> >>>>>>> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=
!!!!!
> >>>>>>> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generat=
ion
> >>>>>>> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match a=
t the
> >>>>>>> AO last year.
> >>>>>>> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.
> >>>>>> Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown e=
ra.
> >>>>>> Sampras lost the last
> >>>>>> 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt, =A0a losing record against
> >>>>>> Federer and
> >>>>>> Safin. =A0The mid
> >>>>>> 80s and early 90s were also clown era, =A0Becker and Edberg have
> >>>>>> losing record
> >>>>>> against Sampras
> >>>>>> and Agassi. =A0Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losin=
g
> >>>>>> record
> >>>>>> against both Becker
> >>>>>> and Edberg. =A0Borg and Mac before that. =A0So this clown era thin=
g has
> >>>>>> been
> >>>>>> going for last 30+
> >>>>>> years. =A0What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
> >>>>> We can't claim that as Sampras won slams all the way through his ca=
reer,
> >>>> well, except for that 3 year gap between US 90 + W 93.
>
> >>>> and the 2 year gap between W 00 and US 02.
>
> >>>> so if you ignore those 5 years, sure, all the way through his career=
.
>
> >>> er, that's only 3 yrs - ie 1991, 1992 & 2001 - he wons slams in 1990,
> >>> 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 & 2002. =A0He at least=
made
> >>> a slam final in 2 of those 3, so that leaves only 1991 where he faile=
d
> >>> to make a slam final, largely due to still being a teen & inexperienc=
ed.
> >>> =A0What a phenomenal player - slam fave every yr of his career.
>
> >>>>> whereas Fed couldn't do it until he was much older & clown era set =
in.
> >>>>> If he stops winning now then 2003-2007 will obviously look like a t=
rue
> >>>>> blue clown era.
> >>>> don't you mean 2003-2008? =A0Fed was still winning slams last year .=
.
>
> >>> Maybe got a lucky break v Verdasco in 4th rd else miserable yr.
>
> >> Andreev
>
> > I've been correcting the round so far. Now time to correct the player.
>
> Details. =A0Point stands.

What point?


  
Date: 11 Jan 2009 00:47:48
From: john
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!

"kaennorsing" <ljubitsis@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:40cf22d2-460b-4ef3-973c-c8d12d1f1018@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
On 10 jan, 13:00, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Sakari Lund wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:43:15 +0200, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
> >> Whisper wrote:
> >>> Hops wrote:
> >>>> On Jan 9, 4:08 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>> john wrote:
> >>>>>> "GOAT" <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:6cb1bb31-a900-4de6-96f7-b9f7cc999264@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>>>> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>>>>>> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the
> >>>>>>> generation
> >>>>>>> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> AO last year.
> >>>>>>> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.
> >>>>>> Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown
> >>>>>> era.
> >>>>>> Sampras lost the last
> >>>>>> 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt, a losing record against
> >>>>>> Federer and
> >>>>>> Safin. The mid
> >>>>>> 80s and early 90s were also clown era, Becker and Edberg have
> >>>>>> losing record
> >>>>>> against Sampras
> >>>>>> and Agassi. Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing
> >>>>>> record
> >>>>>> against both Becker
> >>>>>> and Edberg. Borg and Mac before that. So this clown era thing has
> >>>>>> been
> >>>>>> going for last 30+
> >>>>>> years. What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
> >>>>> We can't claim that as Sampras won slams all the way through his
> >>>>> career,
> >>>> well, except for that 3 year gap between US 90 + W 93.
>
> >>>> and the 2 year gap between W 00 and US 02.
>
> >>>> so if you ignore those 5 years, sure, all the way through his career.
>
> >>> er, that's only 3 yrs - ie 1991, 1992 & 2001 - he wons slams in 1990,
> >>> 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 & 2002. He at least
> >>> made
> >>> a slam final in 2 of those 3, so that leaves only 1991 where he failed
> >>> to make a slam final, largely due to still being a teen &
> >>> inexperienced.
> >>> What a phenomenal player - slam fave every yr of his career.
>
> >>>>> whereas Fed couldn't do it until he was much older & clown era set
> >>>>> in.
> >>>>> If he stops winning now then 2003-2007 will obviously look like a
> >>>>> true
> >>>>> blue clown era.
> >>>> don't you mean 2003-2008? Fed was still winning slams last year ..
>
> >>> Maybe got a lucky break v Verdasco in 4th rd else miserable yr.
>
> >> Andreev
>
> > I've been correcting the round so far. Now time to correct the player.
>
> Details. Point stands.

What point?

A lot of points. firstly Whisper's IQ is dropping fast and to compound the
problem he has
a fading memory. thirdly he considers a player having a five set match is a
lucky break for winning
GS. But hehe Sampras had five set matches against Hbarty, Kafelnikov, Ivo,
Korda, Lendl, Corretja
so the conclusion is Sampras was lucky to win 14 slams.




   
Date: 11 Jan 2009 19:22:34
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
john wrote:
>>>>>>> blue clown era.
>>>>>> don't you mean 2003-2008? Fed was still winning slams last year ..
>>>>> Maybe got a lucky break v Verdasco in 4th rd else miserable yr.
>>>> Andreev
>>> I've been correcting the round so far. Now time to correct the player.
>> Details. Point stands.
>
> What point?
>
> A lot of points. firstly Whisper's IQ is dropping fast and to compound the
> problem he has
> a fading memory. thirdly he considers a player having a five set match is a
> lucky break for winning
> GS. But hehe Sampras had five set matches against Hbarty, Kafelnikov, Ivo,
> Korda, Lendl, Corretja
> so the conclusion is Sampras was lucky to win 14 slams.
>
>


I think the real conclusion is Sampras was lucky to be so gifted he
could compile the goat record with that kind of half-arsed effort.



 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 17:49:58
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
On Jan 9, 8:40=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> john wrote:
>
> > Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
> > Sampras lost the last
> > 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt,
>
> Around age of 30. Their h2h is 4-5.
>
> > a losing record against Federer
>
> One match and Sampras was 30, you're joking right?
>
> > and Safin. =A0
>
> 3-4, that's very close.
>
> > The mid 80s and early 90s were also clown era, =A0Becker and Edberg hav=
e losing record
> > against Sampras
> > and Agassi.
>
> Perhaps Sampras and Agassi were greater champions...
>
> > Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing record
> > against both Becker
>
> Wtf? Lendl leads h2h 11-10 and won Becker(who was nearly 7 years
> younger) at the age of 33.
>
> > and Edberg. =A0
>
> Lendl vs Edberg 13-14...Edberg winning 4 last matches, being 6 years
> younger and Lendl 31-32 years. Lendl still beat Edberg at around 30-31
> years old. And they never even played on clay. Clearly Edberg was way
> inferior champion.
>
> > Borg and Mac before that. =A0
>
> Lendl against Borg...it's 6-2 for Borg. Borg won when Lendl was young
> and _quit_ so that Lendl couldn't catch him back.(They went 5 sets last R=
G)
>
> Lendl and mac are same age so no proof there.
>
> Or are you talking about Borg vs. Mac? They're 7-7 and their age
> diffence is not even 3 years .
>
> > So this clown era thing has been
> > going for last 30+ years.
>
> Actually your examples prove just the opposite. Old champion leads in
> the beginning and young champion catches up in the end.
>
> But for Federer he doesn't lead in the beginning, but has heavily losing
> stats against much younger Nadal and Murray straight from the start.
>
> Notice that Federer is still only 27...and thus should have winning
> record against future champions at this point.
>
> > What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
>
> That somewhat supports your theory. But then again maybe Djokovic is not
> that great player. And it's still likely that he will catch Federer in
> the end.

Good post. The only thing I would say in Fed's defense is that his
record in fast court Slams (his bread
and butter) versus the triumverate of Nadal/Murray/Djoke is 6-2 IIRC
and overall Slams is 6-6.


 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 16:36:41
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
On Jan 9, 7:08=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> john wrote:
> > "GOAT" <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:6cb1bb31-a900-4de6-96f7-b9f7cc999264@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com..=
.
> >> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
> >>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generation
> >> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at the
> >> AO last year.
>
> >> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.
>
> > Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
> > Sampras lost the last
> > 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt, =A0a losing record against Feder=
er and
> > Safin. =A0The mid
> > 80s and early 90s were also clown era, =A0Becker and Edberg have losing=
record
> > against Sampras
> > and Agassi. =A0Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing rec=
ord
> > against both Becker
> > and Edberg. =A0Borg and Mac before that. =A0So this clown era thing has=
been
> > going for last 30+
> > years. =A0What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
>
> We can't claim that as Sampras won slams all the way through his career,
> whereas Fed couldn't do it until he was much older & clown era set in.
> If he stops winning now then 2003-2007 will obviously look like a true
> blue clown era.-

No doubt you're right. If he never won another Slam when most people
are taking it as
a given he'll pass 14, clown era talk would have validity.

But don't you think it's slightly premature to be talking like this
considering he just
won the very last Slam that was played and was in the finals of two
others last year?

Or are you just trolling as usual?


 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 16:18:37
From: Hops
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
On Jan 9, 4:08 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> john wrote:
> > "GOAT" <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:6cb1bb31-a900-4de6-96f7-b9f7cc999264@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
> >>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generation
> >> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at the
> >> AO last year.
>
> >> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.
>
> > Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
> > Sampras lost the last
> > 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt, a losing record against Federer and
> > Safin. The mid
> > 80s and early 90s were also clown era, Becker and Edberg have losing record
> > against Sampras
> > and Agassi. Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing record
> > against both Becker
> > and Edberg. Borg and Mac before that. So this clown era thing has been
> > going for last 30+
> > years. What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
>
> We can't claim that as Sampras won slams all the way through his career,

well, except for that 3 year gap between US 90 + W 93.

and the 2 year gap between W 00 and US 02.

so if you ignore those 5 years, sure, all the way through his career.


> whereas Fed couldn't do it until he was much older & clown era set in.
> If he stops winning now then 2003-2007 will obviously look like a true
> blue clown era.

don't you mean 2003-2008? Fed was still winning slams last year ..






  
Date: 10 Jan 2009 11:23:16
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
Hops wrote:
> On Jan 9, 4:08 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> john wrote:
>>> "GOAT" <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:6cb1bb31-a900-4de6-96f7-b9f7cc999264@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
>>>>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generation
>>>> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at the
>>>> AO last year.
>>>> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.
>>> Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
>>> Sampras lost the last
>>> 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt, a losing record against Federer and
>>> Safin. The mid
>>> 80s and early 90s were also clown era, Becker and Edberg have losing record
>>> against Sampras
>>> and Agassi. Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing record
>>> against both Becker
>>> and Edberg. Borg and Mac before that. So this clown era thing has been
>>> going for last 30+
>>> years. What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
>> We can't claim that as Sampras won slams all the way through his career,
>
> well, except for that 3 year gap between US 90 + W 93.
>
> and the 2 year gap between W 00 and US 02.
>
> so if you ignore those 5 years, sure, all the way through his career.


er, that's only 3 yrs - ie 1991, 1992 & 2001 - he wons slams in 1990,
1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 & 2002. He at least made
a slam final in 2 of those 3, so that leaves only 1991 where he failed
to make a slam final, largely due to still being a teen & inexperienced.
What a phenomenal player - slam fave every yr of his career.

>
>
>> whereas Fed couldn't do it until he was much older & clown era set in.
>> If he stops winning now then 2003-2007 will obviously look like a true
>> blue clown era.
>
> don't you mean 2003-2008? Fed was still winning slams last year ..
>
>
>
>


Maybe got a lucky break v Verdasco in 4th rd else miserable yr.



   
Date: 10 Jan 2009 03:31:51
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:23:16 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>> well, except for that 3 year gap between US 90 + W 93.
>>
>> and the 2 year gap between W 00 and US 02.
>>
>> so if you ignore those 5 years, sure, all the way through his career.
>
>
>er, that's only 3 yrs - ie 1991, 1992 & 2001 - he wons slams in 1990,
>1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 & 2002.

Well you sure have talked a lot about how he didn't win any kind of
title for two years between 2000 and 2002.


   
Date: 10 Jan 2009 00:45:50
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!

On 9-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote:

> Maybe got a lucky break v Verdasco in 4th rd else miserable yr.

lol


   
Date: 10 Jan 2009 02:43:15
From: TT
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
Whisper wrote:
> Hops wrote:
>> On Jan 9, 4:08 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>> john wrote:
>>>> "GOAT" <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:6cb1bb31-a900-4de6-96f7-b9f7cc999264@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
>>>>>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generation
>>>>> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at the
>>>>> AO last year.
>>>>> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.
>>>> Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
>>>> Sampras lost the last
>>>> 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt, a losing record against
>>>> Federer and
>>>> Safin. The mid
>>>> 80s and early 90s were also clown era, Becker and Edberg have
>>>> losing record
>>>> against Sampras
>>>> and Agassi. Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing
>>>> record
>>>> against both Becker
>>>> and Edberg. Borg and Mac before that. So this clown era thing has
>>>> been
>>>> going for last 30+
>>>> years. What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
>>> We can't claim that as Sampras won slams all the way through his career,
>>
>> well, except for that 3 year gap between US 90 + W 93.
>>
>> and the 2 year gap between W 00 and US 02.
>>
>> so if you ignore those 5 years, sure, all the way through his career.
>
>
> er, that's only 3 yrs - ie 1991, 1992 & 2001 - he wons slams in 1990,
> 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 & 2002. He at least made
> a slam final in 2 of those 3, so that leaves only 1991 where he failed
> to make a slam final, largely due to still being a teen & inexperienced.
> What a phenomenal player - slam fave every yr of his career.
>
>>
>>
>>> whereas Fed couldn't do it until he was much older & clown era set in.
>>> If he stops winning now then 2003-2007 will obviously look like a true
>>> blue clown era.
>>
>> don't you mean 2003-2008? Fed was still winning slams last year ..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Maybe got a lucky break v Verdasco in 4th rd else miserable yr.
>

Andreev

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


    
Date: 10 Jan 2009 03:29:31
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:43:15 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

>Whisper wrote:
>> Hops wrote:
>>> On Jan 9, 4:08 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> john wrote:
>>>>> "GOAT" <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:6cb1bb31-a900-4de6-96f7-b9f7cc999264@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
>>>>>>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generation
>>>>>> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at the
>>>>>> AO last year.
>>>>>> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.
>>>>> Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
>>>>> Sampras lost the last
>>>>> 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt, a losing record against
>>>>> Federer and
>>>>> Safin. The mid
>>>>> 80s and early 90s were also clown era, Becker and Edberg have
>>>>> losing record
>>>>> against Sampras
>>>>> and Agassi. Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing
>>>>> record
>>>>> against both Becker
>>>>> and Edberg. Borg and Mac before that. So this clown era thing has
>>>>> been
>>>>> going for last 30+
>>>>> years. What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
>>>> We can't claim that as Sampras won slams all the way through his career,
>>>
>>> well, except for that 3 year gap between US 90 + W 93.
>>>
>>> and the 2 year gap between W 00 and US 02.
>>>
>>> so if you ignore those 5 years, sure, all the way through his career.
>>
>>
>> er, that's only 3 yrs - ie 1991, 1992 & 2001 - he wons slams in 1990,
>> 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 & 2002. He at least made
>> a slam final in 2 of those 3, so that leaves only 1991 where he failed
>> to make a slam final, largely due to still being a teen & inexperienced.
>> What a phenomenal player - slam fave every yr of his career.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> whereas Fed couldn't do it until he was much older & clown era set in.
>>>> If he stops winning now then 2003-2007 will obviously look like a true
>>>> blue clown era.
>>>
>>> don't you mean 2003-2008? Fed was still winning slams last year ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe got a lucky break v Verdasco in 4th rd else miserable yr.
>>
>
>Andreev

I've been correcting the round so far. Now time to correct the player.



     
Date: 10 Jan 2009 23:52:25
From: john
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!

"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com > wrote in message
news:leufm457gub45li5it40ae8v5folrodtm1@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:43:15 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>>Whisper wrote:
>>> Hops wrote:
>>>> On Jan 9, 4:08 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>> "GOAT" <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:6cb1bb31-a900-4de6-96f7-b9f7cc999264@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generation
>>>>>>> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> AO last year.
>>>>>>> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.
>>>>>> Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
>>>>>> Sampras lost the last
>>>>>> 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt, a losing record against
>>>>>> Federer and
>>>>>> Safin. The mid
>>>>>> 80s and early 90s were also clown era, Becker and Edberg have
>>>>>> losing record
>>>>>> against Sampras
>>>>>> and Agassi. Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing
>>>>>> record
>>>>>> against both Becker
>>>>>> and Edberg. Borg and Mac before that. So this clown era thing has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> going for last 30+
>>>>>> years. What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
>>>>> We can't claim that as Sampras won slams all the way through his
>>>>> career,
>>>>
>>>> well, except for that 3 year gap between US 90 + W 93.
>>>>
>>>> and the 2 year gap between W 00 and US 02.
>>>>
>>>> so if you ignore those 5 years, sure, all the way through his career.
>>>
>>>
>>> er, that's only 3 yrs - ie 1991, 1992 & 2001 - he wons slams in 1990,
>>> 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 & 2002. He at least made
>>> a slam final in 2 of those 3, so that leaves only 1991 where he failed
>>> to make a slam final, largely due to still being a teen & inexperienced.
>>> What a phenomenal player - slam fave every yr of his career.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> whereas Fed couldn't do it until he was much older & clown era set in.
>>>>> If he stops winning now then 2003-2007 will obviously look like a true
>>>>> blue clown era.
>>>>
>>>> don't you mean 2003-2008? Fed was still winning slams last year ..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe got a lucky break v Verdasco in 4th rd else miserable yr.
>>>
>>
>>Andreev
>
> I've been correcting the round so far. Now time to correct the player.

He has got a fading IQ and it is getting worse now a fading memory. Some
strong medicine is
required for Whispy...
>




     
Date: 10 Jan 2009 23:00:44
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:43:15 +0200, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>> Whisper wrote:
>>> Hops wrote:
>>>> On Jan 9, 4:08 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>> "GOAT" <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:6cb1bb31-a900-4de6-96f7-b9f7cc999264@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generation
>>>>>>> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at the
>>>>>>> AO last year.
>>>>>>> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.
>>>>>> Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
>>>>>> Sampras lost the last
>>>>>> 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt, a losing record against
>>>>>> Federer and
>>>>>> Safin. The mid
>>>>>> 80s and early 90s were also clown era, Becker and Edberg have
>>>>>> losing record
>>>>>> against Sampras
>>>>>> and Agassi. Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing
>>>>>> record
>>>>>> against both Becker
>>>>>> and Edberg. Borg and Mac before that. So this clown era thing has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> going for last 30+
>>>>>> years. What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
>>>>> We can't claim that as Sampras won slams all the way through his career,
>>>> well, except for that 3 year gap between US 90 + W 93.
>>>>
>>>> and the 2 year gap between W 00 and US 02.
>>>>
>>>> so if you ignore those 5 years, sure, all the way through his career.
>>>
>>> er, that's only 3 yrs - ie 1991, 1992 & 2001 - he wons slams in 1990,
>>> 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 & 2002. He at least made
>>> a slam final in 2 of those 3, so that leaves only 1991 where he failed
>>> to make a slam final, largely due to still being a teen & inexperienced.
>>> What a phenomenal player - slam fave every yr of his career.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> whereas Fed couldn't do it until he was much older & clown era set in.
>>>>> If he stops winning now then 2003-2007 will obviously look like a true
>>>>> blue clown era.
>>>> don't you mean 2003-2008? Fed was still winning slams last year ..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe got a lucky break v Verdasco in 4th rd else miserable yr.
>>>
>> Andreev
>
> I've been correcting the round so far. Now time to correct the player.
>


Details. Point stands.



 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 09:55:15
From: GOAT
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generation
below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at the
AO last year.

Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.


  
Date: 10 Jan 2009 10:49:03
From: john
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!

"GOAT" <thetruetennisgoat@hotmail.co.uk > wrote in message
news:6cb1bb31-a900-4de6-96f7-b9f7cc999264@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generation
> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at the
> AO last year.
>
> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.

Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
Sampras lost the last
4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt, a losing record against Federer and
Safin. The mid
80s and early 90s were also clown era, Becker and Edberg have losing record
against Sampras
and Agassi. Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing record
against both Becker
and Edberg. Borg and Mac before that. So this clown era thing has been
going for last 30+
years. What Djokovic's record against Federer ?




   
Date: 10 Jan 2009 03:40:52
From: TT
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
john wrote:
>
> Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
> Sampras lost the last
> 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt,

Around age of 30. Their h2h is 4-5.

> a losing record against Federer

One match and Sampras was 30, you're joking right?

> and Safin.

3-4, that's very close.

> The mid 80s and early 90s were also clown era, Becker and Edberg have losing record
> against Sampras
> and Agassi.

Perhaps Sampras and Agassi were greater champions...


> Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing record
> against both Becker

Wtf? Lendl leads h2h 11-10 and won Becker(who was nearly 7 years
younger) at the age of 33.

> and Edberg.

Lendl vs Edberg 13-14...Edberg winning 4 last matches, being 6 years
younger and Lendl 31-32 years. Lendl still beat Edberg at around 30-31
years old. And they never even played on clay. Clearly Edberg was way
inferior champion.

> Borg and Mac before that.

Lendl against Borg...it's 6-2 for Borg. Borg won when Lendl was young
and _quit_ so that Lendl couldn't catch him back.(They went 5 sets last RG)

Lendl and mac are same age so no proof there.

Or are you talking about Borg vs. Mac? They're 7-7 and their age
diffence is not even 3 years .

> So this clown era thing has been
> going for last 30+ years.

Actually your examples prove just the opposite. Old champion leads in
the beginning and young champion catches up in the end.

But for Federer he doesn't lead in the beginning, but has heavily losing
stats against much younger Nadal and Murray straight from the start.

Notice that Federer is still only 27...and thus should have winning
record against future champions at this point.

> What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
>

That somewhat supports your theory. But then again maybe Djokovic is not
that great player. And it's still likely that he will catch Federer in
the end.


    
Date: 11 Jan 2009 00:42:00
From: john
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!

"TT" <gold@Olympics.org > wrote in message
news:D0T9l.116767$_03.71119@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> john wrote:
>>
>> Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
>> Sampras lost the last
>> 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt,
>
> Around age of 30. Their h2h is 4-5.

Lost 5 times after 1998 during his peak and won 1 during 2000 USO when
Hewitt
was still coming to form.

>
>> a losing record against Federer
>
> One match and Sampras was 30, you're joking right?

Federer was not at his peak but Samrpas was a GS champion and a Gs finalist
in the coming
months much closer to his peak than Federer.

>
>> and Safin.
>
> 3-4, that's very close.
>
>> The mid 80s and early 90s were also clown era, Becker and Edberg have
>> losing record against Sampras
>> and Agassi.
>
> Perhaps Sampras and Agassi were greater champions...

Result from having clown era type of competition from kafelnikov and
inconsist performer like
Stich, Krajicek and Ivo type.

>
>
>> Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing record against both
>> Becker
>
> Wtf? Lendl leads h2h 11-10 and won Becker(who was nearly 7 years younger)
> at the age of 33.
>
>> and Edberg.
>
> Lendl vs Edberg 13-14...Edberg winning 4 last matches, being 6 years
> younger and Lendl 31-32 years. Lendl still beat Edberg at around 30-31
> years old. And they never even played on clay. Clearly Edberg was way
> inferior champion.
>
>> Borg and Mac before that.
>
> Lendl against Borg...it's 6-2 for Borg. Borg won when Lendl was young and
> _quit_ so that Lendl couldn't catch him back.(They went 5 sets last RG)
>
> Lendl and mac are same age so no proof there.


>
> Or are you talking about Borg vs. Mac? They're 7-7 and their age diffence
> is not even 3 years .
>
>> So this clown era thing has been going for last 30+ years.
>
> Actually your examples prove just the opposite. Old champion leads in the
> beginning and young champion catches up in the end.
>
> But for Federer he doesn't lead in the beginning, but has heavily losing
> stats against much younger Nadal and Murray straight from the start.

What was Nadal's grand slam record on hard court a surface where two GS are
played ? As your posted before what do you think Edberg record against
Lendl
would be if he played 10 of those 27 matches on clay, or Mac play Borg 10
out
14 times on clay. Nadal enjoy a big lead over Federer because of his
inferior
play on hard courts that he consistantly failed to reach a GS final and he
had 9
out of 12 wins over Federer on his favourite surface, while Federer was
able
to get to almost every clay court tournament final to face Nadal, Nadal
could
not do the same on hard courts. Murray well Krajicek had a big lead over
Sampras before 1998 but who cares only slam matters.
>
> Notice that Federer is still only 27...and thus should have winning record
> against future champions at this point.
>
>> What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
>
> That somewhat supports your theory. But then again maybe Djokovic is not
> that great player. And it's still likely that he will catch Federer in the
> end.




   
Date: 10 Jan 2009 11:08:42
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
john wrote:
> "GOAT" <thetruetennisgoat@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:6cb1bb31-a900-4de6-96f7-b9f7cc999264@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
>>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generation
>> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at the
>> AO last year.
>>
>> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.
>
> Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
> Sampras lost the last
> 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt, a losing record against Federer and
> Safin. The mid
> 80s and early 90s were also clown era, Becker and Edberg have losing record
> against Sampras
> and Agassi. Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing record
> against both Becker
> and Edberg. Borg and Mac before that. So this clown era thing has been
> going for last 30+
> years. What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
>
>



We can't claim that as Sampras won slams all the way through his career,
whereas Fed couldn't do it until he was much older & clown era set in.
If he stops winning now then 2003-2007 will obviously look like a true
blue clown era.



    
Date: 11 Jan 2009 00:16:01
From: john
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:4967e70e$0$28483$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> john wrote:
>> "GOAT" <thetruetennisgoat@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:6cb1bb31-a900-4de6-96f7-b9f7cc999264@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
>>>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generation
>>> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at the
>>> AO last year.
>>>
>>> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.
>>
>> Base on that logic we can also conclude Samrpas' era was a clown era.
>> Sampras lost the last
>> 4 out of his 5 matches against Hewitt, a losing record against Federer
>> and Safin. The mid
>> 80s and early 90s were also clown era, Becker and Edberg have losing
>> record against Sampras
>> and Agassi. Lendl the king of pro tennis in mid 80s has a losing record
>> against both Becker
>> and Edberg. Borg and Mac before that. So this clown era thing has been
>> going for last 30+
>> years. What Djokovic's record against Federer ?
>
>
>
> We can't claim that as Sampras won slams all the way through his career,

Did not win a slam for two and half years between 1990 USO and 1993
Wimbledon,
so there is a two years gap, and did not win a slam between 2000 W to 2002
USO and
other gap. Fading memory does not help your much in stating and
remembering the basic
facts. Not only your IQ is fading so is your memory.

> whereas Fed couldn't do it until he was much older & clown era set in. If
> he stops winning now then 2003-2007 will obviously look like a true blue
> clown era.

True clown era is where opponents in the finals are hardly grand slam
winning players. Federer's
grand slam final opponents are Roddick ( claimed by you as potential 12 time
grand slam champion,
Sampras on steroid), Hewitt ( 2 times grand slam champion, GS finalist
multiple times), Nadal
(4 x FO champion and Wimbledon champion), Safin ( 2 times GS champion),
Djokovic (GS champion)
and Murray (potentail GS champion). Hewitt, Roddick and Safin are
definitely superior players than
Pioline and Martin and in fact I would put these guys well in front even
Rafter, Ivo and Stich type.
What Federer really did in 2003 -2007 was simply stepping up his game
against all his major rival at the
time pulled himself away from what was a much even field and at time in 2003
his game was merely
on par with all his main rivals like Roddick, Hewitt, Safin and Ferreoe.
Sampras did the same in 1993 he
had even less competition than Federer namely Agassi, Becker a player way
passed his peak, inconsistant
Ivo, Stich and Krajicek. Your claim of clown era only surface when Federer
was really dominating the
field with 11 slams in 4 and half years before that was Sampras on steroid
was going to be a 12 slam winner....



>




  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 23:23:33
From: TT
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
GOAT wrote:
> On Jan 9, 5:38 pm, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
>> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Fed has a losing record against two major rivals from the generation
> below (Nadal and Murray). Also Djokovic beat him in a key match at the
> AO last year.
>
> Seems talk of 'clown era' was certainly valid after all.

Maybe. Doesn't older champion still on top usually have a winning record
against new balls?

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 09:48:47
From: ca1houn
Subject: Re: Official: Fed has become Murrays bitch!
On Jan 9, 9:38=A0am, oceanau...@netlimit.com wrote:
> hahahhaahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well he should have been his bitch when he was going for the us open