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Date: 29 Jan 2009 08:42:17
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/feedarticle/8333018

"(We'll) probably never quite know who was the greatest of all time in
tennis," Federer told reporters. "Of course, if somebody goes off and
wins 35 grand slams then you made your point as a player.

"Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
time. I'm very well aware of that."




 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 18:28:55
From:
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual
On Jan 29, 8:28=A0pm, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:47:48 -0800 (PST), jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jan 29, 5:21=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >> stephenj wrote:
> >> > *skriptis wrote:
> >> >> "stephenj" <s...@cox.com> wrote in message
> >> >>news:1Omgl.8394$E01.6553@newsfe03.iad...
> >> >>> GOAT wrote:
> >> >>>>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I co=
uld
> >> >>>>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of =
all
> >> >>>>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
> >> >>>> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
> >> >>> Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
> >> >>> radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if
> >> >>> not impossible, to fairly make.
>
> >> >>> Sensible ...
>
> >> >> I don't think so. He did say "well if you win 35 slams you've made
> >> >> your point". For all-time greatness.
>
> >> > obviously, he was saying that if someone in the open put up a
> >> > super-duper-pooper number of slams then we could compare him with
> >> > pre-open and call him goat, but not at the numbers that are being de=
alt
> >> > with now (14).
>
> >> And he's right. Should have around 20 majors to be da goat. Lots of
> >> weeks as #1. Many amny tournament wins. Longevity. Domination over pee=
rs.
>
> >> --
> >> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> >> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"- =
Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >In other words, the Tiger Woods of tennis?
>
> tiger will never catch jack.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Now that deserves an Ah ha ha ha ha more than anything I've read in a
while.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 16:16:27
From: Raja
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual
On Jan 29, 3:16=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Raja" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f55d83ef-a3d5-4468-9fd1-e92b58025acb@e18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 29, 12:52 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "stephenj" <s...@cox.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1Omgl.8394$E01.6553@newsfe03.iad...
>
> > > GOAT wrote:
> > >>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
> > >>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
> > >>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>
> > >> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
>
> > > Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
> > > radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if no=
t
> > > impossible, to fairly make.
>
> > > Sensible ...
>
> > I don't think so. He did say "well if you win 35 slams you've made your
> > point". For all-time greatness.
>
> > Breaking 14 (7543) is an ope era issue.
>
> no that 7543 bullshit doesnt work especially no one thought of AO as a
> slam until 1987.
>
> ***
>
> Yes, so true.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Australian_Open_-_Men's_Singles
>
> Top five seeds:
>
> 1. Ivan Lendl, SF
> 2. John McEnroe, QF
> 3. Mats Wilander, F
> 4. Boris Becker, R2
> 5. Stefan Edberg, W

They thought of it as an exhibition and played it like an exhibition.



  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 02:35:34
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual modesty

"Raja" <zepfloyes@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:26aedc63-d3d8-40ce-9a9e-d6845e399bc3@13g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 3:16 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Raja" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f55d83ef-a3d5-4468-9fd1-e92b58025acb@e18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 29, 12:52 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "stephenj" <s...@cox.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1Omgl.8394$E01.6553@newsfe03.iad...
>
> > > GOAT wrote:
> > >>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
> > >>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
> > >>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>
> > >> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
>
> > > Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
> > > radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if not
> > > impossible, to fairly make.
>
> > > Sensible ...
>
> > I don't think so. He did say "well if you win 35 slams you've made your
> > point". For all-time greatness.
>
> > Breaking 14 (7543) is an ope era issue.
>
> no that 7543 bullshit doesnt work especially no one thought of AO as a
> slam until 1987.
>
> ***
>
> Yes, so true.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Australian_Open_-_Men's_Singles
>
> Top five seeds:
>
> 1. Ivan Lendl, SF
> 2. John McEnroe, QF
> 3. Mats Wilander, F
> 4. Boris Becker, R2
> 5. Stefan Edberg, W

They thought of it as an exhibition and played it like an exhibition.

***

You're rst exhibit.




 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 15:47:48
From:
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual
On Jan 29, 5:21=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
> > *skriptis wrote:
> >> "stephenj" <s...@cox.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1Omgl.8394$E01.6553@newsfe03.iad...
> >>> GOAT wrote:
> >>>>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
> >>>>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
> >>>>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
> >>>> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
> >>> Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
> >>> radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if
> >>> not impossible, to fairly make.
>
> >>> Sensible ...
>
> >> I don't think so. He did say "well if you win 35 slams you've made
> >> your point". For all-time greatness.
>
> > obviously, he was saying that if someone in the open put up a
> > super-duper-pooper number of slams then we could compare him with
> > pre-open and call him goat, but not at the numbers that are being dealt
> > with now (14).
>
> And he's right. Should have around 20 majors to be da goat. Lots of
> weeks as #1. Many amny tournament wins. Longevity. Domination over peers.
>
> --
> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"- Hid=
e quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

In other words, the Tiger Woods of tennis?


  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 01:28:26
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual modesty

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:47:48 -0800 (PST), jasoncatlin1971@gmail.com
wrote:

>On Jan 29, 5:21 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> stephenj wrote:
>> > *skriptis wrote:
>> >> "stephenj" <s...@cox.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:1Omgl.8394$E01.6553@newsfe03.iad...
>> >>> GOAT wrote:
>> >>>>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
>> >>>>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
>> >>>>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>> >>>> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
>> >>> Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
>> >>> radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if
>> >>> not impossible, to fairly make.
>>
>> >>> Sensible ...
>>
>> >> I don't think so. He did say "well if you win 35 slams you've made
>> >> your point". For all-time greatness.
>>
>> > obviously, he was saying that if someone in the open put up a
>> > super-duper-pooper number of slams then we could compare him with
>> > pre-open and call him goat, but not at the numbers that are being dealt
>> > with now (14).
>>
>> And he's right. Should have around 20 majors to be da goat. Lots of
>> weeks as #1. Many amny tournament wins. Longevity. Domination over peers.
>>
>> --
>> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
>> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>In other words, the Tiger Woods of tennis?

tiger will never catch jack.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 13:32:17
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual
On Jan 29, 1:52=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "stephenj" <s...@cox.com> wrote in message

> I don't think so. He did say "well if you win 35 slams you've made your
> point". For all-time greatness.

I see, so he is planning to win 35 slams :)



 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 12:59:22
From: Raja
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual
On Jan 29, 12:52=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "stephenj" <s...@cox.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1Omgl.8394$E01.6553@newsfe03.iad...
>
> > GOAT wrote:
> >>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
> >>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
> >>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>
> >> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
>
> > Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
> > radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if not
> > impossible, to fairly make.
>
> > Sensible ...
>
> I don't think so. He did say "well if you win 35 slams you've made your
> point". For all-time greatness.
>
> Breaking 14 (7543) is an ope era issue.

no that 7543 bullshit doesnt work especially no one thought of AO as a
slam until 1987.


  
Date: 30 Jan 2009 17:47:22
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual
Raja wrote:
> On Jan 29, 12:52 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> "stephenj" <s...@cox.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1Omgl.8394$E01.6553@newsfe03.iad...
>>
>>> GOAT wrote:
>>>>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
>>>>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
>>>>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>>>> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
>>> Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
>>> radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if not
>>> impossible, to fairly make.
>>> Sensible ...
>> I don't think so. He did say "well if you win 35 slams you've made your
>> point". For all-time greatness.
>>
>> Breaking 14 (7543) is an ope era issue.
>
> no that 7543 bullshit doesnt work especially no one thought of AO as a
> slam until 1987.


Arthur Ashe said it was slam in 1971 - I have it on video.

I'd take the word of people like him than gay-pic posting Indians on a ng.



  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 22:16:55
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual modesty

"Raja" <zepfloyes@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:f55d83ef-a3d5-4468-9fd1-e92b58025acb@e18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 12:52 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "stephenj" <s...@cox.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1Omgl.8394$E01.6553@newsfe03.iad...
>
> > GOAT wrote:
> >>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
> >>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
> >>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>
> >> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
>
> > Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
> > radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if not
> > impossible, to fairly make.
>
> > Sensible ...
>
> I don't think so. He did say "well if you win 35 slams you've made your
> point". For all-time greatness.
>
> Breaking 14 (7543) is an ope era issue.

no that 7543 bullshit doesnt work especially no one thought of AO as a
slam until 1987.

***

Yes, so true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Australian_Open_-_Men's_Singles

Top five seeds:

1. Ivan Lendl, SF
2. John McEnroe, QF
3. Mats Wilander, F
4. Boris Becker, R2
5. Stefan Edberg, W




 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 08:50:02
From: GOAT
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual

>
> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
> time. I'm very well aware of that."

Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 18:53:45
From: Georgiana Gates
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual
GOAT wrote:
>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>
> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
I was a big Sampras fan, but if Federer can pass him, I would have to
make Federer the greatest of the modern era.


   
Date: 30 Jan 2009 01:54:44
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual modesty
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:53:45 -0600, Georgiana Gates
<ramrod@hal-pc.org > wrote:

>GOAT wrote:
>>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
>>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
>>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>>
>> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
>I was a big Sampras fan, but if Federer can pass him, I would have to
>make Federer the greatest of the modern era.


good for you georgiana. nice to see some rational thought from a
sampras fan for a change.


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 12:43:57
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual
GOAT wrote:
>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>
> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.

Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if not
impossible, to fairly make.

Sensible ...


--
.. the profiteers are a consequence not
a cause of rising prices.

- JM Keynes


   
Date: 30 Jan 2009 01:27:22
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual modesty
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:43:57 -0600, stephenj <sjex@cox.com > wrote:

>GOAT wrote:
>>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
>>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
>>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>>
>> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
>
>Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
>radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if not
>impossible, to fairly make.
>
>Sensible ...


yup. but if you had your choice to be the goat of the pre-open era or
open era what would you choose ?

so in that sense being the goat of the open era is in fact being the
GOAT less some deference of respect for the old guard. nice.


   
Date: 29 Jan 2009 19:52:34
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual modesty

"stephenj" <sjex@cox.com > wrote in message
news:1Omgl.8394$E01.6553@newsfe03.iad...
> GOAT wrote:
>>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
>>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
>>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>>
>> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
>
> Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
> radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if not
> impossible, to fairly make.
>
> Sensible ...


I don't think so. He did say "well if you win 35 slams you've made your
point". For all-time greatness.

Breaking 14 (7543) is an ope era issue.




    
Date: 29 Jan 2009 16:13:50
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual
*skriptis wrote:
> "stephenj" <sjex@cox.com> wrote in message
> news:1Omgl.8394$E01.6553@newsfe03.iad...
>> GOAT wrote:
>>>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
>>>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
>>>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>>> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
>> Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
>> radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if not
>> impossible, to fairly make.
>>
>> Sensible ...
>
>
> I don't think so. He did say "well if you win 35 slams you've made your
> point". For all-time greatness.

obviously, he was saying that if someone in the open put up a
super-duper-pooper number of slams then we could compare him with
pre-open and call him goat, but not at the numbers that are being dealt
with now (14).



--
When the facts change,
one's opinion ought to change.

- John Maynard Keynes


     
Date: 30 Jan 2009 00:21:36
From: TT
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual
stephenj wrote:
> *skriptis wrote:
>> "stephenj" <sjex@cox.com> wrote in message
>> news:1Omgl.8394$E01.6553@newsfe03.iad...
>>> GOAT wrote:
>>>>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
>>>>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
>>>>> time. I'm very well aware of that."
>>>> Ha ha so he is still saying he will be greater than Sampras.
>>> Seems like he's recognizing that the open and pre-open eras are so
>>> radically different that comparisons across them are very hard, if
>>> not impossible, to fairly make.
>>>
>>> Sensible ...
>>
>>
>> I don't think so. He did say "well if you win 35 slams you've made
>> your point". For all-time greatness.
>
> obviously, he was saying that if someone in the open put up a
> super-duper-pooper number of slams then we could compare him with
> pre-open and call him goat, but not at the numbers that are being dealt
> with now (14).
>
>

And he's right. Should have around 20 majors to be da goat. Lots of
weeks as #1. Many amny tournament wins. Longevity. Domination over peers.


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 19:28:48
From: TT
Subject: Re: On the verge of claiming co-greatest tag, Federer shows unusual
GOAT wrote:
>> "Yeah, I mean, 14 is more the new generation, the Open era, I could
>> maybe become the greatest of all time of that era, but never of all
>> time. I'm very well aware of that."

FINALLY!

Way to go Roger!

That's what I've been saying for eternity. 14...15...16 good for best of
open era not good for all time. (especially without FO)

Of course greatest of open era is tremendous achievement too.


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"