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Date: 04 Feb 2009 04:39:40
From: topspin
Subject: Practice your serving
Memo to Federer. Ignore all the complicated advice. If you had served
a bit better - not a lot better, just a bit - you would have two more
slams.

Now, what to tell Uncle Toni and Rafa? (Probably just be a bit less
risk-averse).




 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 11:53:22
From: Lax
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
On Feb 4, 2:19=A0pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2:16=A0pm, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The reason he served poorly is because he was shitting his pants
> > seeing Rafa on other side of the net. Plain and simple.
>
> But he didn't serve poorly in the 07 Wimby final. And that was after
> those 2 brutal FO losses and
> no doubt fearing Rafa was encroaching on his beloved Wimby turf.
>

That was back when Rafa was "just a dirtballer."


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 11:19:34
From:
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
On Feb 4, 2:16=A0pm, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com > wrote:
> The reason he served poorly is because he was shitting his pants
> seeing Rafa on other side of the net. Plain and simple.

But he didn't serve poorly in the 07 Wimby final. And that was after
those 2 brutal FO losses and
no doubt fearing Rafa was encroaching on his beloved Wimby turf.


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 11:16:57
From: Lax
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
The reason he served poorly is because he was shitting his pants
seeing Rafa on other side of the net. Plain and simple.


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 22:12:30
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
Lax wrote:
> The reason he served poorly is because he was shitting his pants
> seeing Rafa on other side of the net. Plain and simple.


Yep.



 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 06:50:11
From: topspin
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
On 4 Feb, 14:20, "Jimbo" <awayag...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "topspin" <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ba823584-c52b-482a-840d-37c904542c08@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 4 Feb, 13:20, "Jimbo" <awayag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> His serve was going along fine until the final.
>
> >> therefore his biggest problem is Nadal simple !
>
> >> his problems are mental - difficult to see how he can overcome this
> >> though
> >> given his record against rafa.
>
> >> Jim
>
> >> "topspin" <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:59a63aea-6bdf-4c7a-8e12-7fe9894bfd9c@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > Memo to Federer. Ignore all the complicated advice. If you had served
> >> > a bit better - not a lot better, just a bit - you would have two more
> >> > slams.
>
> >> > Now, what to tell Uncle Toni and Rafa? (Probably just be a bit less
> >> > risk-averse).
>
> > Agreed, but the more he practices, the more he will be able to
> > execute, even when nervous.
>
> > However you look at it, it all comes back to the same thing, unless
> > you want to put your faith in sports psychology, etc. Practice.
>
> True,
>
> I also think he should get himself a coach - to get back to such basics as
> serving and tactics.
>
> As the old adage went :...'A problem shared is a problem halved
>
> Jimbo

Why not ask Sampras to be his serving coach!

I bet he (Sampras) would do it too. Players are less bothered about
their records than their fans are.


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 05:33:22
From:
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
On Feb 4, 8:05=A0am, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 4 Feb, 12:54, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 4, 7:39=A0am, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Memo to Federer. Ignore all the complicated advice. If you had served
> > > a bit better - not a lot better, just a bit - you would have two more
> > > slams.
>
> > > Now, what to tell Uncle Toni and Rafa? (Probably just be a bit less
> > > risk-averse).
>
> > I think this is true, for that particular match. But he was also up
> > against a batttered and bruised Rafa
> > fighting a hamstring problem and in his own words "very, very tired."
> > I noticed some shots from Nadal
> > during the final too that were just not like him at all, for example
> > stretching for a backhand and bouncing it to
> > the net.
>
> > Bottom line: this was a big missed opportunity for Fed and he has to
> > assume that next time he'll likely be up against a much fitter Rafa in
> > the final. Which of course doesn't mean Fed can't win, but he's really
> > going to have to bring his A+ game.
>
> Yes, but looking forward to Wimbledon and the USO, which are faster,
> Federer still has the game to beat Nadal - IF HE GETS HIS FIRST SERVE
> PERCENTAGE UP!

Agreed. Usually Roger has a high first serve % though. Doesn't he
average around 60% or so? I was sitting
there watching the match thinking I have never seen Roger serve this
poorly in a big match.



 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 05:25:35
From: topspin
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
On 4 Feb, 13:20, "Jimbo" <awayag...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> His serve was going along fine until the final.
>
> therefore his biggest problem is Nadal simple !
>
> his problems are mental - difficult to see how he can overcome this though
> given his record against rafa.
>
> Jim
>
> "topspin" <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:59a63aea-6bdf-4c7a-8e12-7fe9894bfd9c@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Memo to Federer. Ignore all the complicated advice. If you had served
> > a bit better - not a lot better, just a bit - you would have two more
> > slams.
>
> > Now, what to tell Uncle Toni and Rafa? (Probably just be a bit less
> > risk-averse).

Agreed, but the more he practices, the more he will be able to
execute, even when nervous.

However you look at it, it all comes back to the same thing, unless
you want to put your faith in sports psychology, etc. Practice.


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 14:20:48
From: Jimbo
Subject: Re: Practice your serving

"topspin" <goolagongfan@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:ba823584-c52b-482a-840d-37c904542c08@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On 4 Feb, 13:20, "Jimbo" <awayag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> His serve was going along fine until the final.
>>
>> therefore his biggest problem is Nadal simple !
>>
>> his problems are mental - difficult to see how he can overcome this
>> though
>> given his record against rafa.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> "topspin" <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:59a63aea-6bdf-4c7a-8e12-7fe9894bfd9c@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Memo to Federer. Ignore all the complicated advice. If you had served
>> > a bit better - not a lot better, just a bit - you would have two more
>> > slams.
>>
>> > Now, what to tell Uncle Toni and Rafa? (Probably just be a bit less
>> > risk-averse).
>
> Agreed, but the more he practices, the more he will be able to
> execute, even when nervous.
>
> However you look at it, it all comes back to the same thing, unless
> you want to put your faith in sports psychology, etc. Practice.


True,

I also think he should get himself a coach - to get back to such basics as
serving and tactics.

As the old adage went :...'A problem shared is a problem halved

Jimbo





 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 05:22:47
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
On Feb 4, 8:20=A0am, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com > wrote:

> Either way (change for Nadal, or stick to his normal serve) - practice
> makes perfect.
>
> Practice, practice, practice. Boring, but effective (ask McEnroe what
> happens if you don't).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I agree. Practice is a key for consistency.


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 13:20:51
From: Jimbo
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
His serve was going along fine until the final.

therefore his biggest problem is Nadal simple !

his problems are mental - difficult to see how he can overcome this though
given his record against rafa.

Jim




"topspin" <goolagongfan@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:59a63aea-6bdf-4c7a-8e12-7fe9894bfd9c@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> Memo to Federer. Ignore all the complicated advice. If you had served
> a bit better - not a lot better, just a bit - you would have two more
> slams.
>
> Now, what to tell Uncle Toni and Rafa? (Probably just be a bit less
> risk-averse).




 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 05:20:01
From: topspin
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
On 4 Feb, 13:15, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Feb 4, 7:39=A0am, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Memo to Federer. Ignore all the complicated advice. If you had served
> > a bit better - not a lot better, just a bit - you would have two more
> > slams.
>
> > Now, what to tell Uncle Toni and Rafa? (Probably just be a bit less
> > risk-averse).
>
> Big reason behind the bad serving produced by Federer that match has
> to do with Federer trying to serve differently than he usually does.
> Against Nadal, he wants to serve very wide on the line away from
> Nadal's reach.
> He even mentioned that in his press conference after the match.
> Against other guys, he goes to the middle and makes many aces.
> This results in many bad serves, because the high net on both sides
> and because the of the difficult angle Federer is trying to put every
> time.
>
> But I honestly think it is a wrong thinking from Federer. There is
> nothing wrong hitting a good serve down the middle, there is a still a
> chance to hit an ace, and if not, it's still a good first serve that
> allows him to follow up with a winner afterwards. I'm sure a good
> first serve in the middle that is not an ace has a better outcome than
> all those second serves he hit all match long.

Either way (change for Nadal, or stick to his normal serve) - practice
makes perfect.

Practice, practice, practice. Boring, but effective (ask McEnroe what
happens if you don't).


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 05:15:17
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
On Feb 4, 7:39=A0am, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Memo to Federer. Ignore all the complicated advice. If you had served
> a bit better - not a lot better, just a bit - you would have two more
> slams.
>
> Now, what to tell Uncle Toni and Rafa? (Probably just be a bit less
> risk-averse).

Big reason behind the bad serving produced by Federer that match has
to do with Federer trying to serve differently than he usually does.
Against Nadal, he wants to serve very wide on the line away from
Nadal's reach.
He even mentioned that in his press conference after the match.
Against other guys, he goes to the middle and makes many aces.
This results in many bad serves, because the high net on both sides
and because the of the difficult angle Federer is trying to put every
time.

But I honestly think it is a wrong thinking from Federer. There is
nothing wrong hitting a good serve down the middle, there is a still a
chance to hit an ace, and if not, it's still a good first serve that
allows him to follow up with a winner afterwards. I'm sure a good
first serve in the middle that is not an ace has a better outcome than
all those second serves he hit all match long.



 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 05:05:56
From: topspin
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
On 4 Feb, 12:54, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 4, 7:39=A0am, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Memo to Federer. Ignore all the complicated advice. If you had served
> > a bit better - not a lot better, just a bit - you would have two more
> > slams.
>
> > Now, what to tell Uncle Toni and Rafa? (Probably just be a bit less
> > risk-averse).
>
> I think this is true, for that particular match. But he was also up
> against a batttered and bruised Rafa
> fighting a hamstring problem and in his own words "very, very tired."
> I noticed some shots from Nadal
> during the final too that were just not like him at all, for example
> stretching for a backhand and bouncing it to
> the net.
>
> Bottom line: this was a big missed opportunity for Fed and he has to
> assume that next time he'll likely be up against a much fitter Rafa in
> the final. Which of course doesn't mean Fed can't win, but he's really
> going to have to bring his A+ game.

Yes, but looking forward to Wimbledon and the USO, which are faster,
Federer still has the game to beat Nadal - IF HE GETS HIS FIRST SERVE
PERCENTAGE UP!

I've read the posts about all the complicated things he could do, but
at 27 he simply isn't going to be able to do much technically,
although he can do things tactically. The big dilemma as always is
whether to change what is successful against everyone except Nadal, or
just play through and wait for the whirlwind to blow itself out. An
example of changing things technically to no good purpose was Lendl
for Wimbledon.

So keep it simple, and practice, practice, practice the one thing that
will pay dividends against everyone.

I don't know why I am writing this since goodness knows I'm not a fan
of big serving winning matches(!), but I want to see Nadal being
pushed as hard as he is pushing Federer at the moment.

Out of that will come more great matches, I hope.


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 04:54:39
From:
Subject: Re: Practice your serving
On Feb 4, 7:39=A0am, topspin <goolagong...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Memo to Federer. Ignore all the complicated advice. If you had served
> a bit better - not a lot better, just a bit - you would have two more
> slams.
>
> Now, what to tell Uncle Toni and Rafa? (Probably just be a bit less
> risk-averse).

I think this is true, for that particular match. But he was also up
against a batttered and bruised Rafa
fighting a hamstring problem and in his own words "very, very tired."
I noticed some shots from Nadal
during the final too that were just not like him at all, for example
stretching for a backhand and bouncing it to
the net.

Bottom line: this was a big missed opportunity for Fed and he has to
assume that next time he'll likely be up against a much fitter Rafa in
the final. Which of course doesn't mean Fed can't win, but he's really
going to have to bring his A+ game.