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Date: 05 Feb 2009 21:55:57
From: Whisper
Subject: Rafa's hypothetical 2009


AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
FO def Federer 63 62 63
Wim def Federer 62 75 64
USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60


This would set some interesting markers;

- Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
- Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
- Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
- Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
unbeaten career run.


Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
think Fed was the better player.....?






 
Date: 07 Feb 2009 22:52:26
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Feb 7, 7:19=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Better to win more finals than lose them - look at poor Lendl.

But if Fed does go to 14, he probably would have done it far fewer
slams than Sampras. Sampras doesn't get extra credit for losing in 3rd/
4th and QF to the Kucera/Yzaga types..


 
Date: 07 Feb 2009 22:49:58
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Feb 7, 7:35=A0am, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> The thing is Federer has only lost finals to Rafa. 5 times looks a
> lot, but it is to 1 guy.

5 times is a lot - to one guy, on all surfaces to boot. If it was only
at the FO, no big deal...


 
Date: 07 Feb 2009 22:49:10
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Feb 8, 12:08=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> The fact it's so many to one guy very much hurts his goat claims. =A0Is h=
e
> even goat of his era if same guy beats him in clay, grass & HC slam final=
s?
>
> Ouch.

In short, no. IMO Fed lost his chance at GOATness with the latest
defeat. The only way for him to come back in the GOAT conversion is to
beat Rafa in a couple more slams...


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 15:05:36
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Feb 5, 4:55=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
> FO def Federer 63 62 63
> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
> This would set some interesting markers;
>
> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
> unbeaten career run.
>
> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
> think Fed was the better player.....?

Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
finals of all 4 slams.

Rodjk #613


  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 19:37:54
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
Rodjk #613 wrote:
> On Feb 5, 4:55 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>
>> This would set some interesting markers;
>>
>> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
>> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
>> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
>> unbeaten career run.
>>
>> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
>> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
>> think Fed was the better player.....?
>
> Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
> finals of all 4 slams.
>
> Rodjk #613


I don't hate Federer - just don't think he's goat in ability/talent. I
pick him to reach finals for obvious reasons - clue : watch Berdych
match at AO.



   
Date: 07 Feb 2009 00:48:38
From: john
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:498bf6e8$0$18773$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Rodjk #613 wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 4:55 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>>
>>> This would set some interesting markers;
>>>
>>> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
>>> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>>> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
>>> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
>>> unbeaten career run.
>>>
>>> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
>>> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
>>> think Fed was the better player.....?
>>
>> Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
>> finals of all 4 slams.
>>
>> Rodjk #613
>
>
> I don't hate Federer - just don't think he's goat in ability/talent. I
> pick him to reach finals for obvious reasons - clue : watch Berdych match
> at AO.

Your history of hating Federer is well known in RST. Those who have been a
regular in RST
in the last 6-7 years know that pretty well. You are not fooling anyone
here. We all know the
reasons why you hate Federer. Firstly the guy's career did not go as you
predicted that was his
wimbledon win in 2003 was a fluke that he would be lucky to get another slam
final. Secondly you
made a lot of prediction on Roddick such as that famous Sampras on steroid
prediction, roddick
winning CYGS in 2004, winning 12 slams, dominate the tour, dominating
Federer because of his
power and you can't hit what you can't see and only need to play 70% to beat
Federer, list goes on
but then it was not Roddick who is winning everything as your predicted but
someone whose only
talent was a quick wrist flick according to your talent report in early
years of Federer. That good
wrist action now won more slam than you predicted for Sampras on steroid.
Thirdly Federer is getting
closer and closer in pass Samrpas' record. In order to discredit Federer's
achievement you stuck your
head in your toilet bowl for days to come up with 7543, then clown era,
the terms such as CEIBS,
talent Goat, achievement Goats and ability Goats.
>




  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 01:08:41
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:05:36 -0800 (PST), "Rodjk #613"
<rjkardo@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Feb 5, 4:55 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>
>> This would set some interesting markers;
>>
>> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
>> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
>> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
>> unbeaten career run.
>>
>> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
>> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
>> think Fed was the better player.....?
>
>Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
>finals of all 4 slams.

Because he enjoys it much more when he loses in the final than before.



   
Date: 06 Feb 2009 19:38:47
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:05:36 -0800 (PST), "Rodjk #613"
> <rjkardo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 5, 4:55 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>>
>>> This would set some interesting markers;
>>>
>>> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
>>> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>>> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
>>> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
>>> unbeaten career run.
>>>
>>> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
>>> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
>>> think Fed was the better player.....?
>> Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
>> finals of all 4 slams.
>
> Because he enjoys it much more when he loses in the final than before.
>


Sampras only lost 4 slam finals, Fed 5 so far.



    
Date: 07 Feb 2009 14:17:37
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:38:47 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>Sakari Lund wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:05:36 -0800 (PST), "Rodjk #613"
>> <rjkardo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 4:55 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>>>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>>>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>>>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>>>
>>>> This would set some interesting markers;
>>>>
>>>> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
>>>> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>>>> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
>>>> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
>>>> unbeaten career run.
>>>>
>>>> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
>>>> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
>>>> think Fed was the better player.....?
>>> Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
>>> finals of all 4 slams.
>>
>> Because he enjoys it much more when he loses in the final than before.
>>
>
>
>Sampras only lost 4 slam finals, Fed 5 so far.

That's again this great rst logic. Better to lose early than in the
final...




     
Date: 08 Feb 2009 00:19:01
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:38:47 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Sakari Lund wrote:
>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:05:36 -0800 (PST), "Rodjk #613"
>>> <rjkardo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 5, 4:55 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>>>>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>>>>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>>>>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>>>>
>>>>> This would set some interesting markers;
>>>>>
>>>>> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
>>>>> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>>>>> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
>>>>> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
>>>>> unbeaten career run.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
>>>>> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
>>>>> think Fed was the better player.....?
>>>> Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
>>>> finals of all 4 slams.
>>> Because he enjoys it much more when he loses in the final than before.
>>>
>>
>> Sampras only lost 4 slam finals, Fed 5 so far.
>
> That's again this great rst logic. Better to lose early than in the
> final...
>
>


Better to win more finals than lose them - look at poor Lendl.





      
Date: 07 Feb 2009 15:35:52
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:19:01 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>Sakari Lund wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:38:47 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sakari Lund wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:05:36 -0800 (PST), "Rodjk #613"
>>>> <rjkardo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 5, 4:55 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>>>>>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>>>>>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>>>>>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This would set some interesting markers;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
>>>>>> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>>>>>> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
>>>>>> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
>>>>>> unbeaten career run.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
>>>>>> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
>>>>>> think Fed was the better player.....?
>>>>> Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
>>>>> finals of all 4 slams.
>>>> Because he enjoys it much more when he loses in the final than before.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sampras only lost 4 slam finals, Fed 5 so far.
>>
>> That's again this great rst logic. Better to lose early than in the
>> final...
>>
>>
>
>
>Better to win more finals than lose them - look at poor Lendl.

The thing is Federer has only lost finals to Rafa. 5 times looks a
lot, but it is to 1 guy.



       
Date: 08 Feb 2009 17:08:34
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:19:01 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Sakari Lund wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:38:47 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sakari Lund wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:05:36 -0800 (PST), "Rodjk #613"
>>>>> <rjkardo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 5, 4:55 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>>>>>>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>>>>>>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>>>>>>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This would set some interesting markers;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
>>>>>>> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>>>>>>> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
>>>>>>> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
>>>>>>> unbeaten career run.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
>>>>>>> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
>>>>>>> think Fed was the better player.....?
>>>>>> Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
>>>>>> finals of all 4 slams.
>>>>> Because he enjoys it much more when he loses in the final than before.
>>>>>
>>>> Sampras only lost 4 slam finals, Fed 5 so far.
>>> That's again this great rst logic. Better to lose early than in the
>>> final...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Better to win more finals than lose them - look at poor Lendl.
>
> The thing is Federer has only lost finals to Rafa. 5 times looks a
> lot, but it is to 1 guy.
>


The fact it's so many to one guy very much hurts his goat claims. Is he
even goat of his era if same guy beats him in clay, grass & HC slam finals?

Ouch.



        
Date: 08 Feb 2009 07:46:26
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:08:34 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>Sakari Lund wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:19:01 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sakari Lund wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:38:47 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sakari Lund wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:05:36 -0800 (PST), "Rodjk #613"
>>>>>> <rjkardo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 4:55 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>>>>>>>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>>>>>>>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>>>>>>>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This would set some interesting markers;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
>>>>>>>> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>>>>>>>> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
>>>>>>>> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
>>>>>>>> unbeaten career run.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
>>>>>>>> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
>>>>>>>> think Fed was the better player.....?
>>>>>>> Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
>>>>>>> finals of all 4 slams.
>>>>>> Because he enjoys it much more when he loses in the final than before.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sampras only lost 4 slam finals, Fed 5 so far.
>>>> That's again this great rst logic. Better to lose early than in the
>>>> final...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Better to win more finals than lose them - look at poor Lendl.
>>
>> The thing is Federer has only lost finals to Rafa. 5 times looks a
>> lot, but it is to 1 guy.
>>
>
>
>The fact it's so many to one guy very much hurts his goat claims. Is he
>even goat of his era if same guy beats him in clay, grass & HC slam finals?
>
>Ouch.


so it's better to lose to many "turkeys" like pete did than one other
acknowledged great champion many times?


         
Date: 08 Feb 2009 19:35:41
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
Superdave wrote:
>>
>> The fact it's so many to one guy very much hurts his goat claims. Is he
>> even goat of his era if same guy beats him in clay, grass & HC slam finals?
>>
>> Ouch.
>
>
> so it's better to lose to many "turkeys" like pete did than one other
> acknowledged great champion many times?


Yes, because nobody can say those turkeys were better than Sampras.



          
Date: 08 Feb 2009 08:50:20
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:35:41 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>Superdave wrote:
>>>
>>> The fact it's so many to one guy very much hurts his goat claims. Is he
>>> even goat of his era if same guy beats him in clay, grass & HC slam finals?
>>>
>>> Ouch.
>>
>>
>> so it's better to lose to many "turkeys" like pete did than one other
>> acknowledged great champion many times?
>
>
>Yes, because nobody can say those turkeys were better than Sampras.


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i see i see. better to lose to clowns !

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i get it ! then you can say "pete simply couldn't be "arsed"" right ?

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Date: 07 Feb 2009 12:52:33
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:17:37 +0200, Sakari Lund
<sakari.lund@welho.com > wrote:

>On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:38:47 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>Sakari Lund wrote:
>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:05:36 -0800 (PST), "Rodjk #613"
>>> <rjkardo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 5, 4:55 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>>>>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>>>>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>>>>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>>>>
>>>>> This would set some interesting markers;
>>>>>
>>>>> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
>>>>> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>>>>> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
>>>>> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
>>>>> unbeaten career run.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
>>>>> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
>>>>> think Fed was the better player.....?
>>>> Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
>>>> finals of all 4 slams.
>>>
>>> Because he enjoys it much more when he loses in the final than before.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Sampras only lost 4 slam finals, Fed 5 so far.
>
>That's again this great rst logic. Better to lose early than in the
>final...
>


Such is the perverse logic of this fucktard named whisper.


    
Date: 07 Feb 2009 00:35:00
From: john
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:498bf71c$0$18773$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Sakari Lund wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:05:36 -0800 (PST), "Rodjk #613"
>> <rjkardo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 4:55 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>>>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>>>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>>>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>>>
>>>> This would set some interesting markers;
>>>>
>>>> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
>>>> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>>>> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
>>>> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
>>>> unbeaten career run.
>>>>
>>>> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
>>>> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
>>>> think Fed was the better player.....?
>>> Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
>>> finals of all 4 slams.
>>
>> Because he enjoys it much more when he loses in the final than before.
>>
>
>
> Sampras only lost 4 slam finals, Fed 5 so far.

How many grand slam did it take Sampras to reach 18 finals ?
>




  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 00:08:23
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009

"Rodjk #613" <rjkardo@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:693b222a-b1ce-4a64-a254-9e2a82c054fe@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 5, 4:55 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
> FO def Federer 63 62 63
> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
> This would set some interesting markers;
>
> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
> unbeaten career run.
>
> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
> think Fed was the better player.....?

>Its odd that, as much as you hate Federer, you pick him to reach the
>finals of all 4 slams.


Rafa owns Feddy, but Feddy still owns the field..no point denying that.




 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 00:08:42
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:55:57 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>
>
>AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>FO def Federer 63 62 63
>Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
>
>This would set some interesting markers;
>
>- Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
>- Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>- Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
>- Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
>unbeaten career run.
>
>
>Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
>would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
>think Fed was the better player.....?

Don't you think that is just a little bit coulda woulda...

This is silly that you make wild scenarios for the future and then
marvel how great those achievements are.



 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:18:26
From: drew
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Feb 5, 12:55 pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 12:51 pm, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 6:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > Adb wrote:
>
> > > > "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> a =E9crit dans le message de
> > > >news:498ac5c2$0$18820$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> > > >> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
> > > >> FO def Federer 63 62 63
> > > >> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
> > > >> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
> > > > This kind of talk is just so ridiculous...
>
> > > Check back in September.
>
> > Straight sets Nadal over Federer at Wimbledon? My money's waiting for
> > you at Betfair.
>
> And the same two players in every Slam final? It seems like Whisper is
> less interested in making
> a prediction then in twisting the knife even more.

Whisper has trouble with anything but the most black-and-white
scenarios and even here he lacks objectivity in determining outcomes.

You are right. Chances of both being in every final this year are
very small. Murray should find himself in at least one final. Don't
know what's happening to Djoko these days but he's always a threat.
We probably haven't seen the best of Tsonga yet and who knows what can
happen with the revitalized Verdasco.

I'm not sure if it is even probable that Nadal will reach the final of
USO and if he does, the speed of the court will make it a tough
challenge. He was close to making the final last year so he's
knocking at the door.

So far Nadal only breezes through on clay. Everything else is a blood
and guts battle over 5 sets and given his mental state, he's going to
win most of those but in a 5th set anything can happen. He survived
this past AO. As impressive as the win was, it wasn't a dominating
performance in the semi's and finals, it was two gutsy performances at
a high level vs. determined opponents who both pushed him to the
limit.


  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 18:49:25
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
drew wrote:
> On Feb 5, 12:55 pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 12:51 pm, drew <d...@technologist.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 6:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> Adb wrote:
>>>>> "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> a écrit dans le message de
>>>>> news:498ac5c2$0$18820$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>>>>>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>>>>>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>>>>>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>>>> This kind of talk is just so ridiculous...
>>>> Check back in September.
>>> Straight sets Nadal over Federer at Wimbledon? My money's waiting for
>>> you at Betfair.
>> And the same two players in every Slam final? It seems like Whisper is
>> less interested in making
>> a prediction then in twisting the knife even more.
>
> Whisper has trouble with anything but the most black-and-white
> scenarios and even here he lacks objectivity in determining outcomes.
>
> You are right. Chances of both being in every final this year are
> very small. Murray should find himself in at least one final. Don't
> know what's happening to Djoko these days but he's always a threat.
> We probably haven't seen the best of Tsonga yet and who knows what can
> happen with the revitalized Verdasco.
>
> I'm not sure if it is even probable that Nadal will reach the final of
> USO and if he does, the speed of the court will make it a tough
> challenge. He was close to making the final last year so he's
> knocking at the door.
>
> So far Nadal only breezes through on clay. Everything else is a blood
> and guts battle over 5 sets and given his mental state, he's going to
> win most of those but in a 5th set anything can happen. He survived
> this past AO. As impressive as the win was, it wasn't a dominating
> performance in the semi's and finals, it was two gutsy performances at
> a high level vs. determined opponents who both pushed him to the
> limit.


er, last 2 AOs he breezed into semis without dropping a set. His so
called HC weakness is simply a timing issue (ie he's only 22 & sample is
too small to draw that conclusion) & not intrinsic to his abilities.



 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 09:51:37
From: drew
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Feb 5, 6:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Adb wrote:
>
> > "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> a =E9crit dans le message de
> >news:498ac5c2$0$18820$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> >> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
> >> FO def Federer 63 62 63
> >> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
> >> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
> > This kind of talk is just so ridiculous...
>
> Check back in September.

Straight sets Nadal over Federer at Wimbledon? My money's waiting for
you at Betfair.


  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 18:40:37
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
drew wrote:
> On Feb 5, 6:48 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Adb wrote:
>>
>>> "Whisper" <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> a écrit dans le message de
>>> news:498ac5c2$0$18820$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>>>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>>>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>>>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>>> This kind of talk is just so ridiculous...
>> Check back in September.
>
> Straight sets Nadal over Federer at Wimbledon? My money's waiting for
> you at Betfair.


er, Rafa led Fed last Wimbledon 64 64 43 & break points. He'll be
stronger this yr & Fed more cowered than ever.






 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 08:36:02
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Feb 5, 11:28=A0am, undecided <cost...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 5, 11:11=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 11:29=A0am, MBDunc <micha...@mail.suomi.net> wrote:
>
> > > Whisper kirjoitti:
>
> > > > AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
> > > > FO def Federer 63 62 63
> > > > Wim def Federer 62 75 64
> > > > USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
> > > > This would set some interesting markers;
>
> > > > - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
> > > > - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>
> > > Budge won 6 in a row 37-38.
> > > Fed : 2005 Wimb - 2007AO : Won 6 out of 7.
>
> > > > - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
> > > > - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
> > > > unbeaten career run.
>
> > > Barring injury and miracles FO 2009 trophy might as well be posted to
> > > Rafa.
>
> > > > Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if ther=
e
> > > > would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would s=
till
> > > > think Fed was the better player.....?
>
> > > I think Fed is might skip clay season completely (even FO) if his
> > > spring HC results are poor (creating a situation where he would had n=
o
> > > serious chance for year-end #1). I hope I am wrong. Either way I
> > > expect Fed to take clay a bit less seriously and concentrate on his
> > > (only) possible title winning succee venues (Wimb/USO).
>
> > He's already dumped Monte Carlo. The only problem with all this is
> > that he could lose the #2 ranking if he skips some clay events, i.e.
> > losing points from finals in three clay events last year. Would he
> > want to be ranked lower than #2 going into Wimbledon?- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Wimbledon may still seed him #2 regardless of ranking because of his
> past grass results.

Not "regardless of ranking" -- the method (for the men) is to add
points based on recent grass results. The starting position is regular
ranking points, so if Fed fell too far, grass points would not be
enough to make up the lost ground. Howeve, your general observation is
correct: It's hard to see Federer not being seeded no. 2, considering
that his 2009 results will be augmented by his 2007 & 2008 Wimbledon
and Halle results.

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 08:28:53
From: undecided
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Feb 5, 11:11=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 11:29=A0am, MBDunc <micha...@mail.suomi.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Whisper kirjoitti:
>
> > > AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
> > > FO def Federer 63 62 63
> > > Wim def Federer 62 75 64
> > > USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
> > > This would set some interesting markers;
>
> > > - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
> > > - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
>
> > Budge won 6 in a row 37-38.
> > Fed : 2005 Wimb - 2007AO : Won 6 out of 7.
>
> > > - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
> > > - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
> > > unbeaten career run.
>
> > Barring injury and miracles FO 2009 trophy might as well be posted to
> > Rafa.
>
> > > Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
> > > would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would sti=
ll
> > > think Fed was the better player.....?
>
> > I think Fed is might skip clay season completely (even FO) if his
> > spring HC results are poor (creating a situation where he would had no
> > serious chance for year-end #1). I hope I am wrong. Either way I
> > expect Fed to take clay a bit less seriously and concentrate on his
> > (only) possible title winning succee venues (Wimb/USO).
>
> He's already dumped Monte Carlo. The only problem with all this is
> that he could lose the #2 ranking if he skips some clay events, i.e.
> losing points from finals in three clay events last year. Would he
> want to be ranked lower than #2 going into Wimbledon?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Wimbledon may still seed him #2 regardless of ranking because of his
past grass results.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 08:03:00
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Feb 5, 5:55=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
> FO def Federer 63 62 63
> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
> This would set some interesting markers;
>
> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
> unbeaten career run.
>
> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
> think Fed was the better player.....?

Sampras would be screwed!


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 08:00:09
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On Feb 5, 3:06=A0am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 5:55=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
> > FO def Federer 63 62 63
> > Wim def Federer 62 75 64
> > USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
> > This would set some interesting markers;
>
> > - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
> > - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
> > - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
> > - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
> > unbeaten career run.
>
> > Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
> > would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
> > think Fed was the better player.....?
>
> I don't think it's just about these two anymore. Murray was thrust
> into a very difficult spot being made the
> favorite over those two at AO. Then on top of that he has to play a
> red-hot Verdasco (and even still he was up 2 sets to 1 on him, so a
> bit of a fluke really).
>
> I see no reason why Murray can't win a Slam or at the very least take
> out either Fed or Rafa at a Slam this year.

++ Yep... IF Murray needed yet another reminder of just what it takes
to compete with these two guys, he certainly saw it in that final...
not that Rafa and Roger were at their respective best there AND that's
the point... their B+ games are daunting let alone when they crank out
their A games or A+ games...

P


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 03:33:43
From: xamigax@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
On 5 f=E9v, 11:55, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
> FO def Federer 63 62 63
> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
> This would set some interesting markers;
>
> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
> unbeaten career run.
>
> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
> think Fed was the better player.....?

Noise.

Plus, you want Nadal to get "some kind of record"? For a jerk denying
Federer's best years achievement, putting that records are only based
on amount of slams... They were someting never seen before, and facts,
not predictions/hopes.

So good to see you rooting for such things, if they were to be Nadal's
achievements.

I'm starting to hope that Nadal will be a major menace as well to
Sampy's record.
I guess Nadal won't get that high using this idiotic 7543...
And that's why you feel relaxed, by now, with the idea of Nadal toping
14.

Yet, I am sure that hearing the media-buzz outside tennis world will
affect you deeply.
Having to deal with totally assholes knowing nothing about tennis, but
picking Rafa as GOAT won't be without hurting you badly.
You allready know that none of them will buy (or even understand why
making such system) your 7543 ranking stuff.

Share & Enjoy,
Manolo


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 23:01:54
From: john
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009

<xamigax@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:afd7d1ef-59ea-4a88-813b-6a42beb445e8@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On 5 fév, 11:55, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
> FO def Federer 63 62 63
> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
> This would set some interesting markers;
>
> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
> unbeaten career run.
>
> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
> think Fed was the better player.....?

Noise.

Plus, you want Nadal to get "some kind of record"? For a jerk denying
Federer's best years achievement, putting that records are only based
on amount of slams... They were someting never seen before, and facts,
not predictions/hopes.

So good to see you rooting for such things, if they were to be Nadal's
achievements.

I'm starting to hope that Nadal will be a major menace as well to
Sampy's record.
I guess Nadal won't get that high using this idiotic 7543...
And that's why you feel relaxed, by now, with the idea of Nadal toping
14.

Yet, I am sure that hearing the media-buzz outside tennis world will
affect you deeply.
Having to deal with totally assholes knowing nothing about tennis, but
picking Rafa as GOAT won't be without hurting you badly.
You allready know that none of them will buy (or even understand why
making such system) your 7543 ranking stuff.

Share & Enjoy,
Manolo

The problem for Whisper will be that Federer will win slam at some stage
during
this year and well into next year and he will break Sampras record. Then
there is
a possibility that Nadal will also break Sampras' record if he can prevent
career
ending injuries in the next few years. I am sure when Nadal get close to
Sampras'
record we will hear a lot of noise about clown era on clay, best at peak
sort of
argument from the legendary sampras fucker of RST Whisper.




 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 12:31:11
From: Adb
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > a écrit dans le message de
news:498ac5c2$0$18820$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>
> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
> FO def Federer 63 62 63
> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60


This kind of talk is just so ridiculous...

>
>
> This would set some interesting markers;
>
> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)
> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
> unbeaten career run.
>
>
> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there would
> be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still think
> Fed was the better player.....?
>
>



  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 22:48:18
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009
Adb wrote:
>
> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> a écrit dans le message de
> news:498ac5c2$0$18820$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>
>>
>> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
>> FO def Federer 63 62 63
>> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
>> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
>
> This kind of talk is just so ridiculous...
>
>>

Check back in September.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 03:29:59
From: MBDunc
Subject: Re: Rafa's hypothetical 2009


Whisper kirjoitti:
> AO def Federer 75 36 76 36 62
> FO def Federer 63 62 63
> Wim def Federer 62 75 64
> USO def Federer 67 46 75 75 60
>
>
> This would set some interesting markers;
>
> - Calendar slam for Rafa (only 3rd player in history to do it)
> - Wins 6 of last 7 slams (close to some sort of record no?)

Budge won 6 in a row 37-38.
Fed : 2005 Wimb - 2007AO : Won 6 out of 7.

> - Improves to 8 v 2 in slam finals v Fed, including last 6 in a row
> - Phenomenal 5 straight FOs (unique record in men or women game), &
> unbeaten career run.

Barring injury and miracles FO 2009 trophy might as well be posted to
Rafa.

> Fed would still have 13 slams & Rafa 'only' 9, but I wonder if there
> would be more than 3 people (Fed's parents + Hazelwood) who would still
> think Fed was the better player.....?

I think Fed is might skip clay season completely (even FO) if his
spring HC results are poor (creating a situation where he would had no
serious chance for year-end #1). I hope I am wrong. Either way I
expect Fed to take clay a bit less seriously and concentrate on his
(only) possible title winning succee venues (Wimb/USO).

Any way Fed remains overall co-favourite at Wimb/USO. But if he meets
Rafa at those events (finals)....

.mikko