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Date: 06 Feb 2009 10:04:22
From: Hg
Subject: Rewatched the final..

Watched it again from Federer's POV. Overall, didn't change my opinion of the
match too much - Nadal still won, Ha Ha.

Joking aside, there were shots by both players at times that were just too
good. Nothing the other guy could have done to win those points. The
unforced errors by both players was something that didn't stick out when
watching it live. Overall, not as impressive match on a second viewing as
the last two W finals. Though, some individual rallies were better than
anything the world has seen (IMHO.)

I guess the last set was just a case of lost momentum from Fed, when his
level dropped a bit he couldn't sustain a high enough level of play.



--
,/ \,
((___,---"""""---,___))
`-----)~ ~(-----`
'( \ / )'




 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 11:16:52
From:
Subject: Re: Rewatched the final..
On Feb 6, 12:24=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Feb 6, 3:09 am, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "ahonkan" <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:76ae30cb-dbb4-4acf-8712-dca77452f12e@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com..=
.
> > On Feb 6, 3:04 pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg> wrote:
>
> > > Watched it again from Federer's POV. Overall, didn't change my opinio=
n of
> > > the
> > > match too much - Nadal still won, Ha Ha.
>
> > > Joking aside, there were shots by both players at times that were jus=
t too
> > > good. Nothing the other guy could have done to win those points. The
> > > unforced errors by both players was something that didn't stick out w=
hen
> > > watching it live. Overall, not as impressive match on a second viewin=
g as
> > > the last two W finals. Though, some individual rallies were better th=
an
> > > anything the world has seen (IMHO.)
>
> > > I guess the last set was just a case of lost momentum from Fed, when =
his
> > > level dropped a bit he couldn't sustain a high enough level of play.
>
> > > --
> > > ,/ \,
> > > ((___,---"""""---,___))
> > > `-----)~ ~(-----`
> > > '( \ / )'
>
> > =A0 =A0 In the 4th set, Rafa's level seemed to dip a notch and I though=
t
> > =A0 =A0 Fed would run away, esp after winning the 4th. It was quite
> > =A0 =A0 puzzling to see Fed act mentally defeated and spent in the 5th.
>
> > Where Federer actually lost the match was in the 3rd set, =A0he had 0:4=
0
> > situation with
> > 3 break points then another game with 15:40 on Nadal serve. =A0 His str=
ategy
> > and the idea
> > of top spinning every single backhand return is just plain stupid.
>
> Don't forget *double faulting* on *set point* in the god damn *tie
> break.* That set was an amazing display of mental fragility by
> Federer, IMO.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

to me he was shell-shocked from the brilliant point Rafa played at 5-3
(just prior to the double fault). the get on low backhand cross-court
volley for a winner was outrageous.


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 10:24:09
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Rewatched the final..
On Feb 6, 3:09 am, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> "ahonkan" <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:76ae30cb-dbb4-4acf-8712-dca77452f12e@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 6, 3:04 pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Watched it again from Federer's POV. Overall, didn't change my opinion of
> > the
> > match too much - Nadal still won, Ha Ha.
>
> > Joking aside, there were shots by both players at times that were just too
> > good. Nothing the other guy could have done to win those points. The
> > unforced errors by both players was something that didn't stick out when
> > watching it live. Overall, not as impressive match on a second viewing as
> > the last two W finals. Though, some individual rallies were better than
> > anything the world has seen (IMHO.)
>
> > I guess the last set was just a case of lost momentum from Fed, when his
> > level dropped a bit he couldn't sustain a high enough level of play.
>
> > --
> > ,/ \,
> > ((___,---"""""---,___))
> > `-----)~ ~(-----`
> > '( \ / )'
>
> In the 4th set, Rafa's level seemed to dip a notch and I thought
> Fed would run away, esp after winning the 4th. It was quite
> puzzling to see Fed act mentally defeated and spent in the 5th.
>
> Where Federer actually lost the match was in the 3rd set, he had 0:40
> situation with
> 3 break points then another game with 15:40 on Nadal serve. His strategy
> and the idea
> of top spinning every single backhand return is just plain stupid.

Don't forget *double faulting* on *set point* in the god damn *tie
break.* That set was an amazing display of mental fragility by
Federer, IMO.


  
Date: 07 Feb 2009 11:46:07
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Rewatched the final..
andrew.reys@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ((___,---"""""---,___))
>>> `-----)~ ~(-----`
>>> '( \ / )'
>> In the 4th set, Rafa's level seemed to dip a notch and I thought
>> Fed would run away, esp after winning the 4th. It was quite
>> puzzling to see Fed act mentally defeated and spent in the 5th.
>>
>> Where Federer actually lost the match was in the 3rd set, he had 0:40
>> situation with
>> 3 break points then another game with 15:40 on Nadal serve. His strategy
>> and the idea
>> of top spinning every single backhand return is just plain stupid.
>
> Don't forget *double faulting* on *set point* in the god damn *tie
> break.* That set was an amazing display of mental fragility by
> Federer, IMO.


Might have to give Rafa some credit for inducing that df - he did the
same to Verdasco on MP in semis.



 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 07:14:35
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Rewatched the final..
On Feb 6, 3:09=A0am, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> "ahonkan" <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:76ae30cb-dbb4-4acf-8712-dca77452f12e@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 6, 3:04 pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Watched it again from Federer's POV. Overall, didn't change my opinion =
of
> > the
> > match too much - Nadal still won, Ha Ha.
>
> > Joking aside, there were shots by both players at times that were just =
too
> > good. Nothing the other guy could have done to win those points. The
> > unforced errors by both players was something that didn't stick out whe=
n
> > watching it live. Overall, not as impressive match on a second viewing =
as
> > the last two W finals. Though, some individual rallies were better than
> > anything the world has seen (IMHO.)
>
> > I guess the last set was just a case of lost momentum from Fed, when hi=
s
> > level dropped a bit he couldn't sustain a high enough level of play.
>
> > --
> > ,/ \,
> > ((___,---"""""---,___))
> > `-----)~ ~(-----`
> > '( \ / )'
>
> =A0 =A0 In the 4th set, Rafa's level seemed to dip a notch and I thought
> =A0 =A0 Fed would run away, esp after winning the 4th. It was quite
> =A0 =A0 puzzling to see Fed act mentally defeated and spent in the 5th.
>
> Where Federer actually lost the match was in the 3rd set, =A0he had 0:40
> situation with
> 3 break points then another game with 15:40 on Nadal serve. =A0 His strat=
egy
> and the idea
> of top spinning every single backhand return is just plain stupid.

++ Ya... and even live it FELT critical... seemed like a time when Fed
would step up and didn't more than couldn't or it SEEMED he was too
passive or calculating exactly in a moment(s) when he should have been
more aggressive...

Again though, it is very difficult to play against ones essential
nature especially under pressure!

P


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 05:56:33
From: guyana
Subject: Re: Rewatched the final..
On Feb 6, 6:57=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 22:09:10 +1100, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"ahonkan" <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:76ae30cb-dbb4-4acf-8712-dca77452f12e@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com..=
.
> >On Feb 6, 3:04 pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg> wrote:
> >> Watched it again from Federer's POV. Overall, didn't change my opinion=
of
> >> the
> >> match too much - Nadal still won, Ha Ha.
>
> >> Joking aside, there were shots by both players at times that were just=
too
> >> good. Nothing the other guy could have done to win those points. The
> >> unforced errors by both players was something that didn't stick out wh=
en
> >> watching it live. Overall, not as impressive match on a second viewing=
as
> >> the last two W finals. Though, some individual rallies were better tha=
n
> >> anything the world has seen (IMHO.)
>
> >> I guess the last set was just a case of lost momentum from Fed, when h=
is
> >> level dropped a bit he couldn't sustain a high enough level of play.
>
> >> --
> >> ,/ \,
> >> ((___,---"""""---,___))
> >> `-----)~ ~(-----`
> >> '( \ / )'
>
> > =A0 =A0In the 4th set, Rafa's level seemed to dip a notch and I thought
> > =A0 =A0Fed would run away, esp after winning the 4th. It was quite
> > =A0 =A0puzzling to see Fed act mentally defeated and spent in the 5th.
>
> >Where Federer actually lost the match was in the 3rd set, =A0he had 0:40
> >situation with
> >3 break points then another game with 15:40 on Nadal serve. =A0 His stra=
tegy
> >and the idea
> >of top spinning every single backhand return is just plain stupid.
>
> i agree and have communicated this to mirka to tell roger.

LOL



  
Date: 07 Feb 2009 00:23:00
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Rewatched the final..
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 05:56:33 -0800 (PST), guyana
<guyanpersad@yahoo.com > wrote:

>On Feb 6, 6:57 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 22:09:10 +1100, "john" <jli...@ozemail.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >"ahonkan" <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:76ae30cb-dbb4-4acf-8712-dca77452f12e@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> >On Feb 6, 3:04 pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg> wrote:
>> >> Watched it again from Federer's POV. Overall, didn't change my opinion of
>> >> the
>> >> match too much - Nadal still won, Ha Ha.
>>
>> >> Joking aside, there were shots by both players at times that were just too
>> >> good. Nothing the other guy could have done to win those points. The
>> >> unforced errors by both players was something that didn't stick out when
>> >> watching it live. Overall, not as impressive match on a second viewing as
>> >> the last two W finals. Though, some individual rallies were better than
>> >> anything the world has seen (IMHO.)
>>
>> >> I guess the last set was just a case of lost momentum from Fed, when his
>> >> level dropped a bit he couldn't sustain a high enough level of play.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> ,/ \,
>> >> ((___,---"""""---,___))
>> >> `-----)~ ~(-----`
>> >> '( \ / )'
>>
>> >    In the 4th set, Rafa's level seemed to dip a notch and I thought
>> >    Fed would run away, esp after winning the 4th. It was quite
>> >    puzzling to see Fed act mentally defeated and spent in the 5th.
>>
>> >Where Federer actually lost the match was in the 3rd set,  he had 0:40
>> >situation with
>> >3 break points then another game with 15:40 on Nadal serve.   His strategy
>> >and the idea
>> >of top spinning every single backhand return is just plain stupid.
>>
>> i agree and have communicated this to mirka to tell roger.
>
>LOL


what's so funny ?


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 02:08:10
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Rewatched the final..
On Feb 6, 3:04=A0pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg > wrote:
> Watched it again from Federer's POV. Overall, didn't change my opinion of=
the
> match too much - Nadal still won, Ha Ha.
>
> Joking aside, there were shots by both players at times that were just to=
o
> good. Nothing the other guy could have done to win those points. The
> unforced errors by both players was something that didn't stick out when
> watching it live. Overall, not as impressive match on a second viewing as
> the last two W finals. Though, some individual rallies were better than
> anything the world has seen (IMHO.)
>
> I guess the last set was just a case of lost momentum from Fed, when his
> level dropped a bit he couldn't sustain a high enough level of play.
>
> --
> =A0,/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \,
> ((___,---"""""---,___))
> =A0`-----)~ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ~(-----`
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0'( =A0\ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / =A0)'

In the 4th set, Rafa's level seemed to dip a notch and I thought
Fed would run away, esp after winning the 4th. It was quite
puzzling to see Fed act mentally defeated and spent in the 5th.


  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 22:09:10
From: john
Subject: Re: Rewatched the final..

"ahonkan" <ahonkan@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:76ae30cb-dbb4-4acf-8712-dca77452f12e@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 6, 3:04 pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg > wrote:
> Watched it again from Federer's POV. Overall, didn't change my opinion of
> the
> match too much - Nadal still won, Ha Ha.
>
> Joking aside, there were shots by both players at times that were just too
> good. Nothing the other guy could have done to win those points. The
> unforced errors by both players was something that didn't stick out when
> watching it live. Overall, not as impressive match on a second viewing as
> the last two W finals. Though, some individual rallies were better than
> anything the world has seen (IMHO.)
>
> I guess the last set was just a case of lost momentum from Fed, when his
> level dropped a bit he couldn't sustain a high enough level of play.
>
> --
> ,/ \,
> ((___,---"""""---,___))
> `-----)~ ~(-----`
> '( \ / )'

In the 4th set, Rafa's level seemed to dip a notch and I thought
Fed would run away, esp after winning the 4th. It was quite
puzzling to see Fed act mentally defeated and spent in the 5th.


Where Federer actually lost the match was in the 3rd set, he had 0:40
situation with
3 break points then another game with 15:40 on Nadal serve. His strategy
and the idea
of top spinning every single backhand return is just plain stupid.




   
Date: 06 Feb 2009 11:57:01
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Rewatched the final..
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 22:09:10 +1100, "john" <jliang@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>
>"ahonkan" <ahonkan@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:76ae30cb-dbb4-4acf-8712-dca77452f12e@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>On Feb 6, 3:04 pm, Hg <h...@hg2.hg> wrote:
>> Watched it again from Federer's POV. Overall, didn't change my opinion of
>> the
>> match too much - Nadal still won, Ha Ha.
>>
>> Joking aside, there were shots by both players at times that were just too
>> good. Nothing the other guy could have done to win those points. The
>> unforced errors by both players was something that didn't stick out when
>> watching it live. Overall, not as impressive match on a second viewing as
>> the last two W finals. Though, some individual rallies were better than
>> anything the world has seen (IMHO.)
>>
>> I guess the last set was just a case of lost momentum from Fed, when his
>> level dropped a bit he couldn't sustain a high enough level of play.
>>
>> --
>> ,/ \,
>> ((___,---"""""---,___))
>> `-----)~ ~(-----`
>> '( \ / )'
>
> In the 4th set, Rafa's level seemed to dip a notch and I thought
> Fed would run away, esp after winning the 4th. It was quite
> puzzling to see Fed act mentally defeated and spent in the 5th.
>
>
>Where Federer actually lost the match was in the 3rd set, he had 0:40
>situation with
>3 break points then another game with 15:40 on Nadal serve. His strategy
>and the idea
>of top spinning every single backhand return is just plain stupid.
>


i agree and have communicated this to mirka to tell roger.