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Date: 09 Jan 2009 16:31:06
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
Go Rogi !!!




 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 00:28:19
From: TT
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
"slaughters"?????

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"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 09 Jan 2009 16:34:54
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!

"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com > wrote in message
news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
> Go Rogi !!!


Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.



  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 17:39:22
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On 10 Jan., 07:30, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Jan 9, 3:52 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > andrew.r...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Jan 9, 10:09 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Jan 9, 12:49 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > >>> On Jan 9, 5:33 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
> > >>>>>>> Go Rogi !!!
> > >>>>>> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
> > >>>>> Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in=
the TB.
> > >>>>> Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwa=
rds*.
> > >>>> Toldja.
> > >>> Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
> > >>> downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end o=
f
> > >>> that game itself.
> > >>> He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
> > >>> mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
> > >>> This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
> > >>> serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to ret=
urn
> > >>> - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
> > >>> suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his servic=
e
> > >>> games and inevitably getting broken.
> > >> Yet according to Haze, Fed has the best serve on tour, or it's a tos=
s-
> > >> up
> > >> between Fed and Karlovic. Vari thinks Fed's serve is better than
> > >> Roddick's.
>
> > > It is. Look at his service statistics over the last few years - he's
> > > tops, and his percentages as far as points won, etc.. are better than
> > > Sampras'. It's known that Federer has been rolling his serves in quit=
e
> > > a bit during the tournament, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's just
> > > 'preserving his arm' (something he expressed concern about years ago)
> > > during relatively meaningless tune-ups (considering especially that
> > > he's very publicly now stated that slams are his #1 concern).
>
> > If we go by stats then Wilander had the single most devastating serving
> > performance in a slam final in history - only missed 1 1st serve in 198=
8
> > FO final with 97% in.
>
> > Federer is nowhere near the top 20 all time best servers - not remotely
> > close. =A0His stats look good because he wins so much, but none of the
> > points are set up by the serve rather rallying.
>
> Right, yes. None of Federer's points are set up by the serve. As if
> you had to try so hard to convince everyone here that you're somewhat
> on the slow side of the intellectual spectrum. I mean, you've
> obviously said some really stupid things in this newsgroup, but my
> mind is absolutely boggled to hear that none of Federer's points are
> set up by his serve. Shocking, shocking idiocy.

Whimpy obviously didn't watch the Sampras-Federer exos. In one of
them, Federer hir four immaculately placed aces in a row past the
hapless Sampras, just to show who is the boss.


  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 17:30:48
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Jan 9, 3:52 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> andrew.r...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 9, 10:09 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 9, 12:49 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >>> On Jan 9, 5:33 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
> >>>>>>> Go Rogi !!!
> >>>>>> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
> >>>>> Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
> >>>>> Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*.
> >>>> Toldja.
> >>> Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
> >>> downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
> >>> that game itself.
> >>> He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
> >>> mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
> >>> This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
> >>> serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to return
> >>> - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
> >>> suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
> >>> games and inevitably getting broken.
> >> Yet according to Haze, Fed has the best serve on tour, or it's a toss-
> >> up
> >> between Fed and Karlovic. Vari thinks Fed's serve is better than
> >> Roddick's.
>
> > It is. Look at his service statistics over the last few years - he's
> > tops, and his percentages as far as points won, etc.. are better than
> > Sampras'. It's known that Federer has been rolling his serves in quite
> > a bit during the tournament, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's just
> > 'preserving his arm' (something he expressed concern about years ago)
> > during relatively meaningless tune-ups (considering especially that
> > he's very publicly now stated that slams are his #1 concern).
>
> If we go by stats then Wilander had the single most devastating serving
> performance in a slam final in history - only missed 1 1st serve in 1988
> FO final with 97% in.
>
> Federer is nowhere near the top 20 all time best servers - not remotely
> close. His stats look good because he wins so much, but none of the
> points are set up by the serve rather rallying.

Right, yes. None of Federer's points are set up by the serve. As if
you had to try so hard to convince everyone here that you're somewhat
on the slow side of the intellectual spectrum. I mean, you've
obviously said some really stupid things in this newsgroup, but my
mind is absolutely boggled to hear that none of Federer's points are
set up by his serve. Shocking, shocking idiocy.


   
Date: 10 Jan 2009 04:32:49
From: TT
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
andrew.reys@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 9, 3:52 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> andrew.r...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 9, 10:09 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 9, 12:49 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 9, 5:33 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> Go Rogi !!!
>>>>>>>> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>>>>>>> Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
>>>>>>> Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*.
>>>>>> Toldja.
>>>>> Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
>>>>> downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
>>>>> that game itself.
>>>>> He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
>>>>> mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
>>>>> This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
>>>>> serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to return
>>>>> - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
>>>>> suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
>>>>> games and inevitably getting broken.
>>>> Yet according to Haze, Fed has the best serve on tour, or it's a toss-
>>>> up
>>>> between Fed and Karlovic. Vari thinks Fed's serve is better than
>>>> Roddick's.
>>> It is. Look at his service statistics over the last few years - he's
>>> tops, and his percentages as far as points won, etc.. are better than
>>> Sampras'. It's known that Federer has been rolling his serves in quite
>>> a bit during the tournament, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's just
>>> 'preserving his arm' (something he expressed concern about years ago)
>>> during relatively meaningless tune-ups (considering especially that
>>> he's very publicly now stated that slams are his #1 concern).
>> If we go by stats then Wilander had the single most devastating serving
>> performance in a slam final in history - only missed 1 1st serve in 1988
>> FO final with 97% in.
>>
>> Federer is nowhere near the top 20 all time best servers - not remotely
>> close. His stats look good because he wins so much, but none of the
>> points are set up by the serve rather rallying.
>
> Right, yes. None of Federer's points are set up by the serve. As if
> you had to try so hard to convince everyone here that you're somewhat
> on the slow side of the intellectual spectrum. I mean, you've
> obviously said some really stupid things in this newsgroup, but my
> mind is absolutely boggled to hear that none of Federer's points are
> set up by his serve. Shocking, shocking idiocy.

I too fear that Whisper might have made a slight overstatement here.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 16:43:53
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Jan 9, 7:17=A0pm, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:52:18 +1100, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >andrew.r...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Jan 9, 10:09 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jan 9, 12:49 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>> On Jan 9, 5:33 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
> >>>>>>>> Go Rogi !!!
> >>>>>>> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
> >>>>>> Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in =
the TB.
> >>>>>> Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwar=
ds*.
> >>>>> Toldja.
> >>>> Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
> >>>> downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
> >>>> that game itself.
> >>>> He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
> >>>> mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
> >>>> This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
> >>>> serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to retu=
rn
> >>>> - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
> >>>> suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
> >>>> games and inevitably getting broken.
> >>> Yet according to Haze, Fed has the best serve on tour, or it's a toss=
-
> >>> up
> >>> between Fed and Karlovic. Vari thinks Fed's serve is better than
> >>> Roddick's.
>
> >> It is. Look at his service statistics over the last few years - he's
> >> tops, and his percentages as far as points won, etc.. are better than
> >> Sampras'. It's known that Federer has been rolling his serves in quite
> >> a bit during the tournament, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's just
> >> 'preserving his arm' (something he expressed concern about years ago)
> >> during relatively meaningless tune-ups (considering especially that
> >> he's very publicly now stated that slams are his #1 concern).
>
> >If we go by stats then Wilander had the single most devastating serving
> >performance in a slam final in history - only missed 1 1st serve in 1988
> >FO final with 97% in.
>
> >Federer is nowhere near the top 20 all time best servers - not remotely
> >close. =A0His stats look good because he wins so much, but none of the
> >points are set up by the serve rather rallying.
>
> stats are objective or are you resorting to ceibs ?

So then Rafa has one of the five best serves in the game, right?


  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 15:00:14
From:
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
Giovanna/Hazel as delusional as ever. You would think Murray winning
the second and third sets 6-2 6-2 would be the slaughter.



  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 14:38:42
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Jan 9, 1:15=A0pm, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Jan 9, 10:09 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 12:49 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 9, 5:33 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > >> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> > > > >>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
> > > > >>> Go Rogi !!!
>
> > > > >> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>
> > > > > Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in=
the TB.
>
> > > > > Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwa=
rds*.
>
> > > > Toldja.
>
> > > Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
> > > downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
> > > that game itself.
>
> > > He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
> > > mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
>
> > > This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
> > > serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to retur=
n
> > > - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
> > > suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
> > > games and inevitably getting broken.
>
> > Yet according to Haze, Fed has the best serve on tour, or it's a toss-
> > up
> > between Fed and Karlovic. Vari thinks Fed's serve is better than
> > Roddick's.
>
> It is. Look at his service statistics over the last few years - he's
> tops, and his percentages as far as points won, etc.. are better than
> Sampras'. It's known that Federer has been rolling his serves in quite
> a bit during the tournament, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's just
> 'preserving his arm' (something he expressed concern about years ago)
> during relatively meaningless tune-ups (considering especially that
> he's very publicly now stated that slams are his #1 concern).-

By that logic, Nadal is also tops or nearly tops in the world as well.
Would you really
rather have Nadal's serve rather than Stepanek, Tsonga, FLo or a bunch
of other players who
don't hold as often as Rafa does?


  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 10:15:12
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Jan 9, 10:09 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 9, 12:49 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 5:33 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > >> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> > > >>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
> > > >>> Go Rogi !!!
>
> > > >> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>
> > > > Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
>
> > > > Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*.
>
> > > Toldja.
>
> > Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
> > downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
> > that game itself.
>
> > He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
> > mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
>
> > This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
> > serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to return
> > - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
> > suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
> > games and inevitably getting broken.
>
> Yet according to Haze, Fed has the best serve on tour, or it's a toss-
> up
> between Fed and Karlovic. Vari thinks Fed's serve is better than
> Roddick's.

It is. Look at his service statistics over the last few years - he's
tops, and his percentages as far as points won, etc.. are better than
Sampras'. It's known that Federer has been rolling his serves in quite
a bit during the tournament, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's just
'preserving his arm' (something he expressed concern about years ago)
during relatively meaningless tune-ups (considering especially that
he's very publicly now stated that slams are his #1 concern).


   
Date: 10 Jan 2009 10:52:18
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
andrew.reys@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 9, 10:09 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 9, 12:49 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 9, 5:33 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> Go Rogi !!!
>>>>>> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>>>>> Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
>>>>> Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*.
>>>> Toldja.
>>> Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
>>> downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
>>> that game itself.
>>> He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
>>> mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
>>> This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
>>> serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to return
>>> - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
>>> suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
>>> games and inevitably getting broken.
>> Yet according to Haze, Fed has the best serve on tour, or it's a toss-
>> up
>> between Fed and Karlovic. Vari thinks Fed's serve is better than
>> Roddick's.
>
> It is. Look at his service statistics over the last few years - he's
> tops, and his percentages as far as points won, etc.. are better than
> Sampras'. It's known that Federer has been rolling his serves in quite
> a bit during the tournament, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's just
> 'preserving his arm' (something he expressed concern about years ago)
> during relatively meaningless tune-ups (considering especially that
> he's very publicly now stated that slams are his #1 concern).


If we go by stats then Wilander had the single most devastating serving
performance in a slam final in history - only missed 1 1st serve in 1988
FO final with 97% in.

Federer is nowhere near the top 20 all time best servers - not remotely
close. His stats look good because he wins so much, but none of the
points are set up by the serve rather rallying.



    
Date: 10 Jan 2009 02:24:53
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:52:18 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>andrew.reys@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 9, 10:09 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 9, 12:49 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 9, 5:33 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> Go Rogi !!!
>>>>>>> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>>>>>> Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
>>>>>> Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*.
>>>>> Toldja.
>>>> Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
>>>> downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
>>>> that game itself.
>>>> He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
>>>> mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
>>>> This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
>>>> serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to return
>>>> - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
>>>> suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
>>>> games and inevitably getting broken.
>>> Yet according to Haze, Fed has the best serve on tour, or it's a toss-
>>> up
>>> between Fed and Karlovic. Vari thinks Fed's serve is better than
>>> Roddick's.
>>
>> It is. Look at his service statistics over the last few years - he's
>> tops, and his percentages as far as points won, etc.. are better than
>> Sampras'. It's known that Federer has been rolling his serves in quite
>> a bit during the tournament, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's just
>> 'preserving his arm' (something he expressed concern about years ago)
>> during relatively meaningless tune-ups (considering especially that
>> he's very publicly now stated that slams are his #1 concern).
>
>
>If we go by stats then Wilander had the single most devastating serving
>performance in a slam final in history - only missed 1 1st serve in 1988
>FO final with 97% in.

You are totally missing the point more than usual today. Bad day? Or
bad two days, since the posts are from Fri and Sat Aus time.


    
Date: 10 Jan 2009 00:17:59
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:52:18 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>andrew.reys@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 9, 10:09 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 9, 12:49 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 9, 5:33 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> Go Rogi !!!
>>>>>>> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>>>>>> Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
>>>>>> Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*.
>>>>> Toldja.
>>>> Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
>>>> downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
>>>> that game itself.
>>>> He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
>>>> mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
>>>> This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
>>>> serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to return
>>>> - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
>>>> suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
>>>> games and inevitably getting broken.
>>> Yet according to Haze, Fed has the best serve on tour, or it's a toss-
>>> up
>>> between Fed and Karlovic. Vari thinks Fed's serve is better than
>>> Roddick's.
>>
>> It is. Look at his service statistics over the last few years - he's
>> tops, and his percentages as far as points won, etc.. are better than
>> Sampras'. It's known that Federer has been rolling his serves in quite
>> a bit during the tournament, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's just
>> 'preserving his arm' (something he expressed concern about years ago)
>> during relatively meaningless tune-ups (considering especially that
>> he's very publicly now stated that slams are his #1 concern).
>
>
>If we go by stats then Wilander had the single most devastating serving
>performance in a slam final in history - only missed 1 1st serve in 1988
>FO final with 97% in.
>
>Federer is nowhere near the top 20 all time best servers - not remotely
>close. His stats look good because he wins so much, but none of the
>points are set up by the serve rather rallying.


stats are objective or are you resorting to ceibs ?


     
Date: 10 Jan 2009 11:19:41
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:52:18 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> andrew.reys@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 9, 10:09 am, Jason Catlin <jason-cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 9, 12:49 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 9, 5:33 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> Go Rogi !!!
>>>>>>>> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>>>>>>> Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
>>>>>>> Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*.
>>>>>> Toldja.
>>>>> Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
>>>>> downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
>>>>> that game itself.
>>>>> He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
>>>>> mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
>>>>> This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
>>>>> serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to return
>>>>> - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
>>>>> suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
>>>>> games and inevitably getting broken.
>>>> Yet according to Haze, Fed has the best serve on tour, or it's a toss-
>>>> up
>>>> between Fed and Karlovic. Vari thinks Fed's serve is better than
>>>> Roddick's.
>>> It is. Look at his service statistics over the last few years - he's
>>> tops, and his percentages as far as points won, etc.. are better than
>>> Sampras'. It's known that Federer has been rolling his serves in quite
>>> a bit during the tournament, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's just
>>> 'preserving his arm' (something he expressed concern about years ago)
>>> during relatively meaningless tune-ups (considering especially that
>>> he's very publicly now stated that slams are his #1 concern).
>>
>> If we go by stats then Wilander had the single most devastating serving
>> performance in a slam final in history - only missed 1 1st serve in 1988
>> FO final with 97% in.
>>
>> Federer is nowhere near the top 20 all time best servers - not remotely
>> close. His stats look good because he wins so much, but none of the
>> points are set up by the serve rather rallying.
>
>
> stats are objective or are you resorting to ceibs ?


So you're saying If Fed wins 100% of service games he's the best ever
server, even though he does it by rallying?

Please say yes dumb cunt.



  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 10:13:09
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Jan 9, 8:57 am, "Dr. GroundAxe" <ground...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:77bk36-b3d.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>
> > Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> >>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
> >>> Go Rogi !!!
>
> >> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>
> > Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
>
> > Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - might regret it bitterly afterwards.
>
> Nothing to do with quality serves from Murray then? Jeez you guys are a
> joke.

Hey it's kind of like listening to yourself, isn't it? Javier has at
least demonstrated enough nuanced knowledge of the game that a comment
like that actually make sense coming from him.


  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 10:12:21
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On 9 Jan., 23:49, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 9, 5:33=A0pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > >> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
> > >>> Go Rogi !!!
>
> > >> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>
> > > Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the=
TB.
>
> > > Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*=
.
>
> > Toldja.
>
> Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
> downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
> that game itself.
>
> He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
> mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
>
> This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
> serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to return
> - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
> suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
> games and inevitably getting broken.

This is all part of "tuneups don't matter that much anymore" attitude.

Murray had to fight very hard until that injury break 2-1 up in the
third set.

Federer is probably saving the best for the slams. He's a different
player mentally now. Losses in tuneups don't matter as much. He wants
to win the 14th and 15th and then probably marry Mirka.


  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 10:09:16
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Jan 9, 12:49=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 9, 5:33=A0pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > >> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
> > >>> Go Rogi !!!
>
> > >> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>
> > > Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the=
TB.
>
> > > Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*=
.
>
> > Toldja.
>
> Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
> downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
> that game itself.
>
> He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
> mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
>
> This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
> serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to return
> - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
> suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
> games and inevitably getting broken.

Yet according to Haze, Fed has the best serve on tour, or it's a toss-
up
between Fed and Karlovic. Vari thinks Fed's serve is better than
Roddick's.


   
Date: 10 Jan 2009 00:17:09
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:09:16 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
<jason-catlin@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 9, 12:49 pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 9, 5:33 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > >> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> > >>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>> > >>> Go Rogi !!!
>>
>> > >> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>>
>> > > Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
>>
>> > > Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*.
>>
>> > Toldja.
>>
>> Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
>> downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
>> that game itself.
>>
>> He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
>> mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
>>
>> This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
>> serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to return
>> - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
>> suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
>> games and inevitably getting broken.
>
>Yet according to Haze, Fed has the best serve on tour, or it's a toss-
>up
>between Fed and Karlovic. Vari thinks Fed's serve is better than
>Roddick's.


i can see that "facts" bother you a lot.


  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 09:49:08
From:
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Jan 9, 5:33=A0pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com > wrote:
> Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
> > Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> >>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
> >>> Go Rogi !!!
>
> >> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>
> > Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the T=
B.
>
> > Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*.
>
> Toldja.

Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
that game itself.

He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.

This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to return
- no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
games and inevitably getting broken.






   
Date: 10 Jan 2009 10:42:12
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 9, 5:33 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>> Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dr. GroundAxe <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>>>>> Go Rogi !!!
>>>> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>>> Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
>>> Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*.
>> Toldja.
>
> Federer seemed very worked up after that game, and his game went
> downhill quickly after that. I don't know why as I missed the end of
> that game itself.
>
> He got into predictable rallies with Murray and ended up making
> mistakes. Stopped coming into the net as well.
>
> This is partly because he can't serve worth a damn - very few first
> serves in and those that go in are at a nice pace for Murray to return
> - no free points. Federer refuses to go for big serves - this is
> suicide against Murray since it means lots of rallies on his service
> games and inevitably getting broken.
>
>
>
>



Fed needs to inject some steroids into his balls & start going for big
serves & charging net with aim of killing volley with slice/wrongfooter
rather than just bunting back & claiming 'not viable in this day & age'
crap as a poor excuse for lack of nuts/skill.

How's that for 1 sentence?





  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 09:04:44
From: JP
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Jan 9, 4:42=A0pm, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:34:54 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
>
> <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> >news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
> >> Go Rogi !!!
>
> >Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>
> sour grapes

Bollocks
Fed only won the tie break becuase Murray got a bad line call.
Murray was bossing the point.
Fed gets two serves and gets away with an ace.
The line calls here have been a joke.


   
Date: 09 Jan 2009 17:17:37
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:04:44 -0800 (PST), JP <junkmailhere@dodgeit.com >
wrote:

>On Jan 9, 4:42 pm, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:34:54 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
>>
>> <ground...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> >news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>> >> Go Rogi !!!
>>
>> >Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>>
>> sour grapes
>
>Bollocks
>Fed only won the tie break becuase Murray got a bad line call.
>Murray was bossing the point.
>Fed gets two serves and gets away with an ace.
>The line calls here have been a joke.


That's what challenges are for no ? So STFU.


  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 13:39:35
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
Dr. GroundAxe <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
>
> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>> Go Rogi !!!
>
>
> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.

Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.

Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - might regret it bitterly afterwards.


   
Date: 09 Jan 2009 14:33:07
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com > wrote:
> Dr. GroundAxe <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>>> Go Rogi !!!
>>
>>
>> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>
> Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
>
> Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - *might regret it bitterly afterwards*.

Toldja.


   
Date: 09 Jan 2009 16:57:20
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!

"Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com > wrote in message
news:77bk36-b3d.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
> Dr. GroundAxe <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>>> Go Rogi !!!
>>
>>
>> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>
> Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
>
> Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - might regret it bitterly afterwards.


Nothing to do with quality serves from Murray then? Jeez you guys are a
joke.



    
Date: 09 Jan 2009 14:07:25
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
Dr. GroundAxe <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
>
> "Javier Gonzalez" <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com> wrote in message
> news:77bk36-b3d.ln1@despair.pu239.ru...
>> Dr. GroundAxe <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>>>> Go Rogi !!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>>
>> Saved one BP vs none for Murray. A looks like a few key points in the TB.
>>
>> Now let a 0-40 advantage slip - might regret it bitterly afterwards.
>
> Nothing to do with quality serves from Murray then? Jeez you guys are a
> joke.

I'm not seeing the match so I can't comment on that - and since you've been
howling about receivers choking every time Federer faces a break point for the
last, oh, four years or so, I thought the normal explanation you take for a
non-converted break point is that the receiving player let it slip.


  
Date: 09 Jan 2009 16:42:24
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:34:54 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
<groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:

>
>"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>> Go Rogi !!!
>
>
>Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.


sour grapes


   
Date: 09 Jan 2009 16:49:09
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!

"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com > wrote in message
news:0jvem4lnl358frvn1d8l905epa5tmv01pi@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:34:54 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
> <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>>> Go Rogi !!!
>>
>>
>>Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>
>
> sour grapes


Not for me thanks, I've just had soup.



    
Date: 09 Jan 2009 16:55:26
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Rogi SLAUGHTERS Murray 7-6 first set !!!
On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:49:09 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
<groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:

>
>"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>news:0jvem4lnl358frvn1d8l905epa5tmv01pi@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:34:54 GMT, "Dr. GroundAxe"
>> <groundaxe@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4tuem4hf0ba8uhgg8i9tuc1uk5fa49ru5m@4ax.com...
>>>> Go Rogi !!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Stats for the set suggest Federer got lucky.
>>
>>
>> sour grapes
>
>
>Not for me thanks, I've just had soup.


ugly soup ?