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Date: 07 Feb 2009 20:23:09
From: Scott
Subject: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related

when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
up one more slam.





 
Date: 10 Feb 2009 01:11:36
From: MBDunc
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000


Whisper kirjoitti:
> Have you ever asked yourself why didn't Agassi simply hit everything to
> Sampras' bh & break him down? We saw how 35 yr old Agassi pushed peak
> Fed to the brink at 2004 & 2005 USOs, pushed Rafa 75 36 64 in Canadian
> final etc - at his peak Agassi would be no.1 in this current era & win
> 15 slams. Why was he so dumb not to hit every single shot to Sampras'
> bh & clean him up? Did he simply not think of it, or thought it was
> poor sportsmanship to take advantage?

Doublestandard cherrypicked non-sense. You could refresh and try
Samrpas-Corretja USO96 example to prove Sampras' inferioty? Or Pete's
FO campaigns at his peak? In any era with every great champs there
have been struggled matches.

Why not draw a direct line: 37y Connors beat peak Edberg at USO89 in
three quick sets. And Edberg won his 2 slam encounters (92/93) against
Pete: Conclusion: Connors >> Edberg > Sampras?? Of course not but it
is just general ignorance and lack of knowledge among the averagejoes
to use cherrypicked (and even tailored) results to prove their
"agendas".

Matchup issue in Andre - Pete matches - probably too complicated issue
for you but just basic tennis knowledge.

Home venue boost in Andre - Fed match - probably too complicated
issued for you but basic sport knowledge.

Andre just still played great as USO 04 & USO 05. Fed should get
credit for winning those USO:s instead mockery.

.mikko



 
Date: 09 Feb 2009 11:42:24
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 9, 2:11=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> >>>> Sampras would beat Rafa easily on all surfaces bar clay.
> >>> you're nuts. =A0Or trolling.
> >> You're stupid.
>
> >> Rafa, a 1-time Wimbledon champ & baseliner would beat the greatest
> >> Wimbledon champ of all time? =A0Good luck finding any expert to
> >> corroborate with you.-
>
> > yeah, right. =A0with that loopy, technically flawed BH of his, Pete
> > would have far less chance in the Rafa FH to Pete BH exchanges than
> > Roger has.
>
> > as for expert opinion, you certainly don't qualify.
>
> Have you ever asked yourself why didn't Agassi simply hit everything to
> Sampras' bh & break him down? =A0We saw how 35 yr old Agassi pushed peak
> Fed to the brink at 2004 & 2005 USOs, pushed Rafa 75 36 64 in Canadian
> final etc - at his peak Agassi would be no.1 in this current era & win
> 15 slams. =A0Why was he so dumb not to hit every single shot to Sampras'
> bh & clean him up? =A0Did he simply not think of it, or thought it was
> poor sportsmanship to take advantage?

um, you don't see any difference between Agassi's groundstrokes and
Rafa's? A real Tier One Analyst would note that Rafa is generating a
tremendous amount of spin, much more than Agassi was.


 
Date: 09 Feb 2009 05:19:46
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 9, 7:06=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 1:43 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 8, 5:01 pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Pete got to the USO final 3 yrs in a row. Twice he lost to the much
> >>> younger guy. I bet that if they had an xtra day of rest like all othe=
r
> >>> slams, Pete would have taken at least one of those slams. Of course,
> >>> 02 Agassi was just as tired and as old as Pete so we all know how tha=
t
> >>> played out.
> >> Not really - Agassi never had fitness issues and his whole game was
> >> about "taking out the legs from his opponent". If the match had gone
> >> 5, Agassi probably would have been the favorite. In the following
> >> slam, Agassi coasted to the AO title played in sweltering heat without
> >> any issue - tiredness was never a factor for Andre. Sampras beat
> >> Agassi because he owned him at the US Open. I hate revisionist history
> >> of this nature - Sampras got beat pretty badly by Safin and Hewitt -
> >> guys who weren't daunted by big serves and had superior passing shots
> >> than any one in the Sampras generation and were on fire in the final.
> >> Both Safin and Hewitt have positive h-2-h against Sampras, and his net=
-
> >> rushing game played into their hands. Of course, I am not claiming
> >> Sampras was at his very best either of those days - but he was
> >> thoroughly outplayed and tiredness wasn't the main reason in either
> >> case IMO...
>
> > Sampras said that he didn't fancy his chances if that USO 2002 final
> > had gone to five as he was feeling very tired.
>
> > Luckily he had Agassi in the final - Agassi "did Sampras's dirty work"
> > for him by beating Hewitt in the SF. Hewitt would have had a better
> > chance in the final assuming that Sampras rushed the net as usual
> > (though Sampras did serve lights out in the first two sets).
>
> Sampras would never lose 2 slam finals to same guy. =A0He always got reve=
nge.-

easy to do in a clown era.


  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 13:29:05
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 05:19:46 -0800 (PST), Scott <scottl44@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>On Feb 9, 7:06 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Feb 9, 1:43 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Feb 8, 5:01 pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Pete got to the USO final 3 yrs in a row. Twice he lost to the much
>> >>> younger guy. I bet that if they had an xtra day of rest like all other
>> >>> slams, Pete would have taken at least one of those slams. Of course,
>> >>> 02 Agassi was just as tired and as old as Pete so we all know how that
>> >>> played out.
>> >> Not really - Agassi never had fitness issues and his whole game was
>> >> about "taking out the legs from his opponent". If the match had gone
>> >> 5, Agassi probably would have been the favorite. In the following
>> >> slam, Agassi coasted to the AO title played in sweltering heat without
>> >> any issue - tiredness was never a factor for Andre. Sampras beat
>> >> Agassi because he owned him at the US Open. I hate revisionist history
>> >> of this nature - Sampras got beat pretty badly by Safin and Hewitt -
>> >> guys who weren't daunted by big serves and had superior passing shots
>> >> than any one in the Sampras generation and were on fire in the final.
>> >> Both Safin and Hewitt have positive h-2-h against Sampras, and his net-
>> >> rushing game played into their hands. Of course, I am not claiming
>> >> Sampras was at his very best either of those days - but he was
>> >> thoroughly outplayed and tiredness wasn't the main reason in either
>> >> case IMO...
>>
>> > Sampras said that he didn't fancy his chances if that USO 2002 final
>> > had gone to five as he was feeling very tired.
>>
>> > Luckily he had Agassi in the final - Agassi "did Sampras's dirty work"
>> > for him by beating Hewitt in the SF. Hewitt would have had a better
>> > chance in the final assuming that Sampras rushed the net as usual
>> > (though Sampras did serve lights out in the first two sets).
>>
>> Sampras would never lose 2 slam finals to same guy.  He always got revenge.-
>
>easy to do in a clown era.


No question that the Sampras era was loaded with "clowns".

The more you study it the more you realize it.

Even Agassi, Sampras greatest rival, was a clown compared to Rafa.

And, except for Agassi, the rest were incapable compared to the rest
of the top 10 today.


   
Date: 10 Feb 2009 06:17:07
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
Superdave wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 05:19:46 -0800 (PST), Scott <scottl44@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 9, 7:06 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Feb 9, 1:43 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 8, 5:01 pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Pete got to the USO final 3 yrs in a row. Twice he lost to the much
>>>>>> younger guy. I bet that if they had an xtra day of rest like all other
>>>>>> slams, Pete would have taken at least one of those slams. Of course,
>>>>>> 02 Agassi was just as tired and as old as Pete so we all know how that
>>>>>> played out.
>>>>> Not really - Agassi never had fitness issues and his whole game was
>>>>> about "taking out the legs from his opponent". If the match had gone
>>>>> 5, Agassi probably would have been the favorite. In the following
>>>>> slam, Agassi coasted to the AO title played in sweltering heat without
>>>>> any issue - tiredness was never a factor for Andre. Sampras beat
>>>>> Agassi because he owned him at the US Open. I hate revisionist history
>>>>> of this nature - Sampras got beat pretty badly by Safin and Hewitt -
>>>>> guys who weren't daunted by big serves and had superior passing shots
>>>>> than any one in the Sampras generation and were on fire in the final.
>>>>> Both Safin and Hewitt have positive h-2-h against Sampras, and his net-
>>>>> rushing game played into their hands. Of course, I am not claiming
>>>>> Sampras was at his very best either of those days - but he was
>>>>> thoroughly outplayed and tiredness wasn't the main reason in either
>>>>> case IMO...
>>>> Sampras said that he didn't fancy his chances if that USO 2002 final
>>>> had gone to five as he was feeling very tired.
>>>> Luckily he had Agassi in the final - Agassi "did Sampras's dirty work"
>>>> for him by beating Hewitt in the SF. Hewitt would have had a better
>>>> chance in the final assuming that Sampras rushed the net as usual
>>>> (though Sampras did serve lights out in the first two sets).
>>> Sampras would never lose 2 slam finals to same guy. He always got revenge.-
>> easy to do in a clown era.
>
>
> No question that the Sampras era was loaded with "clowns".
>
> The more you study it the more you realize it.
>
> Even Agassi, Sampras greatest rival, was a clown compared to Rafa.
>
> And, except for Agassi, the rest were incapable compared to the rest
> of the top 10 today.


It's already well proven 35 yr old Agassi was almost as good as peak
Fed/Rafa - that translates to Fed/Rafa being ranked between no.5 & no.10
in 90's.



 
Date: 09 Feb 2009 04:40:27
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 9, 2:47=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 3:36 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> wkhedr wrote:
> >>> On Feb 8, 1:39 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> wkhedr wrote:
> >>>>> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.yout=
ube.com/watch?v=3DptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=3Drelated
> >>>>>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a whil=
e,
> >>>>>>> and Pete was done. =A0It's amazing that Safin would go on to only=
pick
> >>>>>>> up one more slam.
> >>>>>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (unt=
il
> >>>>>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> >>>>>> know what hit him that day...
> >>>>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
> >>>>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
> >>>>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
> >>>>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
> >>>>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of =
=A0the
> >>>>> court.
> >>>> For some reason you seem to ignore Sampras at advanced age beat both
> >>>> Hewitt & Safin in 2001 & 2002 USO semifinals in straight sets...? =
=A0Why
> >>>> is that - general dumbness or just trolling?- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> safin is a mental case, can't use him for any measures.
> >> er, Safin had made the semis very easily so was playing very well. =A0=
Only
> >> difference was Sampras was out for revenge.
>
> >>> What did he do
> >>> against Hewitt?
> >> Sampras beat Hewitt in straight sets in 2000 USO semifinal.
>
> >>> How many games will he win if he played Nadal on clay,
> >>> grass or HC?
> >> Sampras would beat Rafa easily on all surfaces bar clay.
>
> > you're nuts. =A0Or trolling.
>
> You're stupid.
>
> Rafa, a 1-time Wimbledon champ & baseliner would beat the greatest
> Wimbledon champ of all time? =A0Good luck finding any expert to
> corroborate with you.-

yeah, right. with that loopy, technically flawed BH of his, Pete
would have far less chance in the Rafa FH to Pete BH exchanges than
Roger has.

as for expert opinion, you certainly don't qualify.


  
Date: 10 Feb 2009 06:11:02
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
Scott wrote:
>>>> Sampras would beat Rafa easily on all surfaces bar clay.
>>> you're nuts. Or trolling.
>> You're stupid.
>>
>> Rafa, a 1-time Wimbledon champ & baseliner would beat the greatest
>> Wimbledon champ of all time? Good luck finding any expert to
>> corroborate with you.-
>
> yeah, right. with that loopy, technically flawed BH of his, Pete
> would have far less chance in the Rafa FH to Pete BH exchanges than
> Roger has.
>
> as for expert opinion, you certainly don't qualify.


Have you ever asked yourself why didn't Agassi simply hit everything to
Sampras' bh & break him down? We saw how 35 yr old Agassi pushed peak
Fed to the brink at 2004 & 2005 USOs, pushed Rafa 75 36 64 in Canadian
final etc - at his peak Agassi would be no.1 in this current era & win
15 slams. Why was he so dumb not to hit every single shot to Sampras'
bh & clean him up? Did he simply not think of it, or thought it was
poor sportsmanship to take advantage?






  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 18:46:19
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
Scott wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2:47 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Scott wrote:

>> You're stupid.
>>
>> Rafa, a 1-time Wimbledon champ & baseliner would beat the greatest
>> Wimbledon champ of all time? Good luck finding any expert to
>> corroborate with you.-
>
> yeah, right. with that loopy, technically flawed BH of his, Pete
> would have far less chance in the Rafa FH to Pete BH exchanges than
> Roger has.


Sampras would have enngaged in bh to fh exchanges for sure, lol




  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 12:52:25
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 04:40:27 -0800 (PST), Scott <scottl44@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>On Feb 9, 2:47 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Scott wrote:
>> > On Feb 8, 3:36 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> >> wkhedr wrote:
>> >>> On Feb 8, 1:39 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>> wkhedr wrote:
>> >>>>> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>> >>>>>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
>> >>>>>>> and Pete was done.  It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
>> >>>>>>> up one more slam.
>> >>>>>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
>> >>>>>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
>> >>>>>> know what hit him that day...
>> >>>>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
>> >>>>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
>> >>>>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
>> >>>>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
>> >>>>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of  the
>> >>>>> court.
>> >>>> For some reason you seem to ignore Sampras at advanced age beat both
>> >>>> Hewitt & Safin in 2001 & 2002 USO semifinals in straight sets...?  Why
>> >>>> is that - general dumbness or just trolling?- Hide quoted text -
>> >>>> - Show quoted text -
>> >>> safin is a mental case, can't use him for any measures.
>> >> er, Safin had made the semis very easily so was playing very well.  Only
>> >> difference was Sampras was out for revenge.
>>
>> >>> What did he do
>> >>> against Hewitt?
>> >> Sampras beat Hewitt in straight sets in 2000 USO semifinal.
>>
>> >>> How many games will he win if he played Nadal on clay,
>> >>> grass or HC?
>> >> Sampras would beat Rafa easily on all surfaces bar clay.
>>
>> > you're nuts.  Or trolling.
>>
>> You're stupid.
>>
>> Rafa, a 1-time Wimbledon champ & baseliner would beat the greatest
>> Wimbledon champ of all time?  Good luck finding any expert to
>> corroborate with you.-
>
>yeah, right. with that loopy, technically flawed BH of his, Pete
>would have far less chance in the Rafa FH to Pete BH exchanges than
>Roger has.
>
>as for expert opinion, you certainly don't qualify.


humour him.

mental cripple's like Whisper need our compassion and understanding.

there stupidity is not their fault. it's inbred from generations of
incest in australian prisons.


 
Date: 09 Feb 2009 01:07:01
From: MBDunc
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000


Whisper kirjoitti:
> I think you've clearly lost the plot. Anyone who genuinely thinks
> Hewitt would start fave v peak Sampras is pretty fucking dumb.

Matchup issue. Of course "juicier" name gets more media attention and
betting money = creates the faves.

Agassi started as a fave at all his USO matches (90, 95, 01, 02)
against Sampras but ended up with nothing.

.mikko


 
Date: 09 Feb 2009 01:02:46
From: MBDunc
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000


Whisper kirjoitti:
> Rafa, a 1-time Wimbledon champ & baseliner would beat the greatest
> Wimbledon champ of all time? Good luck finding any expert to
> corroborate with you.

Subjective.

You praised pretty much Nadal's Wimb 2008 matches. Even said that it
was the best you had seen since Sampras final 99.

To lose a player in that form? Fed did it narrowly. It is completely
hypotetical to claim that Sampras had win that match. Probably peak
Sampras could have won that match but again peak Federer could have
won it as well (Fed played good but it was not his greatest showing at
Wimbledon).

.mikko


  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 11:28:27
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 01:02:46 -0800 (PST), MBDunc
<michaelb@mail.suomi.net > wrote:

>
>
>Whisper kirjoitti:
>> Rafa, a 1-time Wimbledon champ & baseliner would beat the greatest
>> Wimbledon champ of all time? Good luck finding any expert to
>> corroborate with you.
>
>Subjective.
>
>You praised pretty much Nadal's Wimb 2008 matches. Even said that it
>was the best you had seen since Sampras final 99.
>
>To lose a player in that form? Fed did it narrowly. It is completely
>hypotetical to claim that Sampras had win that match. Probably peak
>Sampras could have won that match but again peak Federer could have
>won it as well (Fed played good but it was not his greatest showing at
>Wimbledon).
>
>.mikko


It was playing in the dark that got him. Really.


   
Date: 09 Feb 2009 23:00:23
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
Superdave wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 01:02:46 -0800 (PST), MBDunc
> <michaelb@mail.suomi.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Whisper kirjoitti:
>>> Rafa, a 1-time Wimbledon champ & baseliner would beat the greatest
>>> Wimbledon champ of all time? Good luck finding any expert to
>>> corroborate with you.
>> Subjective.
>>
>> You praised pretty much Nadal's Wimb 2008 matches. Even said that it
>> was the best you had seen since Sampras final 99.
>>
>> To lose a player in that form? Fed did it narrowly. It is completely
>> hypotetical to claim that Sampras had win that match. Probably peak
>> Sampras could have won that match but again peak Federer could have
>> won it as well (Fed played good but it was not his greatest showing at
>> Wimbledon).
>>
>> .mikko
>
>
> It was playing in the dark that got him. Really.


Is he scared of the boogie man....?


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 22:43:13
From: MBDunc
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000


RahimAsif kirjoitti:
> On Feb 8, 5:01=A0pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Pete got to the USO final 3 yrs in a row. Twice he lost to the much
> > younger guy. I bet that if they had an xtra day of rest like all other
> > slams, Pete would have taken at least one of those slams. Of course,
> > 02 Agassi was just as tired and as old as Pete so we all know how that
> > played out.
>
> Not really - Agassi never had fitness issues and his whole game was
> about "taking out the legs from his opponent".

Above applies to Agassi at later years.

Agassi's "spare tire" and 20lbs weight gain was in the headlines
around Wimb 93 (and he jokingly repeated old Ali reply "it gives me
energy").

.mikko


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 17:56:15
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 2:45=A0pm, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Sampras would have done better against Hewitt had he stayed back more
> - he played into Hewitt's hands by constantly SVing and chip-charging
> on returns.
>
> On fast surfaces Sampras would take out Nadal but unfortunately there
> aren't many of those around these days ...

Agreed - Hewitt's game matched up perfectly against Sampras. But I am
not sure Sampras could have slugged it out from the baseline against
Hewitt - the reason Fed beats him is not because of power but because
of the placement and angles he generates. Sampras never generated such
angles and I bet Hewitt would fancy running down most of Sampras'
shots and getting them back into play. But I agree with you on Sampras
and Nadal - I don't think Nadal has the return game of Hewitt and can
be subdued by a huge serve and volleyer. I would take him over Nadal
any time on non-clay surfaces, even taking into account the slower
courts that are used today...


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 17:48:45
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 3:54=A0pm, blanders0...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Agreed on Safin match. =A0For Hewitt match Sampras was shot in the legs
> from the word go. =A0Anyone can see that just by watching the match.
> After he lost the first set tie-break, it was straight downhill. =A0He
> was taking first volleys a foot or 2 back from his normal position.
> He would have struggled that day against a lot of guys and Hewitt was
> about worst-case at the time if Sampras was not 100%
>
> Safin absolutely had a career day and Sampras would have needed a huge
> performance himself to stand up to that. It was a bit of a beatdown
> which was shocking to me at the time, but Safin had the talen, was on
> fire and was basically Sampras on HGH physically. =A0Safin could have
> cut into Fed's slam take pretty well if he had held that type of form
> consistently.

I think Hewitt doesn't get enough credit either in this ng or in the
tennis world. This wasn't the only time he had thrashed Sampras - he
had done it a couple of other times as well (check the head to head).
I think his game matched up well against Pete - Sampras would charge
the net and Hewitt would pass him ease. And Sampras himself has
mentioned in his autobiography how Hewitt was one of the few players
he had faced who could resist the onslaught of a big serve and
volleyer like himself. Even if Sampras was tired, one of the things to
remember is that Sampras going into the final had not lost serve since
R2 and had played some great players along the way (agassi, rafter,
safin). And what did Hewitt do? Break him the 1st game of the match.
And he did it 5 more times. I think Fed with his repeated demolitions
of Hewitt has made him look a worse player than he was...


  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 19:12:36
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
RahimAsif wrote:
> On Feb 8, 3:54 pm, blanders0...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Agreed on Safin match. For Hewitt match Sampras was shot in the legs
>> from the word go. Anyone can see that just by watching the match.
>> After he lost the first set tie-break, it was straight downhill. He
>> was taking first volleys a foot or 2 back from his normal position.
>> He would have struggled that day against a lot of guys and Hewitt was
>> about worst-case at the time if Sampras was not 100%
>>
>> Safin absolutely had a career day and Sampras would have needed a huge
>> performance himself to stand up to that. It was a bit of a beatdown
>> which was shocking to me at the time, but Safin had the talen, was on
>> fire and was basically Sampras on HGH physically. Safin could have
>> cut into Fed's slam take pretty well if he had held that type of form
>> consistently.
>
> I think Hewitt doesn't get enough credit either in this ng or in the
> tennis world. This wasn't the only time he had thrashed Sampras - he
> had done it a couple of other times as well (check the head to head).
> I think his game matched up well against Pete - Sampras would charge
> the net and Hewitt would pass him ease. And Sampras himself has
> mentioned in his autobiography how Hewitt was one of the few players
> he had faced who could resist the onslaught of a big serve and
> volleyer like himself. Even if Sampras was tired, one of the things to
> remember is that Sampras going into the final had not lost serve since
> R2 and had played some great players along the way (agassi, rafter,
> safin). And what did Hewitt do? Break him the 1st game of the match.
> And he did it 5 more times. I think Fed with his repeated demolitions
> of Hewitt has made him look a worse player than he was...


I think you've clearly lost the plot. Anyone who genuinely thinks
Hewitt would start fave v peak Sampras is pretty fucking dumb.



 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 17:43:27
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 5:01=A0pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Pete got to the USO final 3 yrs in a row. Twice he lost to the much
> younger guy. I bet that if they had an xtra day of rest like all other
> slams, Pete would have taken at least one of those slams. Of course,
> 02 Agassi was just as tired and as old as Pete so we all know how that
> played out.

Not really - Agassi never had fitness issues and his whole game was
about "taking out the legs from his opponent". If the match had gone
5, Agassi probably would have been the favorite. In the following
slam, Agassi coasted to the AO title played in sweltering heat without
any issue - tiredness was never a factor for Andre. Sampras beat
Agassi because he owned him at the US Open. I hate revisionist history
of this nature - Sampras got beat pretty badly by Safin and Hewitt -
guys who weren't daunted by big serves and had superior passing shots
than any one in the Sampras generation and were on fire in the final.
Both Safin and Hewitt have positive h-2-h against Sampras, and his net-
rushing game played into their hands. Of course, I am not claiming
Sampras was at his very best either of those days - but he was
thoroughly outplayed and tiredness wasn't the main reason in either
case IMO...


  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 19:11:10
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
RahimAsif wrote:
> On Feb 8, 5:01 pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Pete got to the USO final 3 yrs in a row. Twice he lost to the much
>> younger guy. I bet that if they had an xtra day of rest like all other
>> slams, Pete would have taken at least one of those slams. Of course,
>> 02 Agassi was just as tired and as old as Pete so we all know how that
>> played out.
>
> Not really - Agassi never had fitness issues and his whole game was
> about "taking out the legs from his opponent". If the match had gone
> 5, Agassi probably would have been the favorite. In the following
> slam, Agassi coasted to the AO title played in sweltering heat without
> any issue - tiredness was never a factor for Andre. Sampras beat
> Agassi because he owned him at the US Open. I hate revisionist history
> of this nature - Sampras got beat pretty badly by Safin and Hewitt -
> guys who weren't daunted by big serves and had superior passing shots
> than any one in the Sampras generation and were on fire in the final.
> Both Safin and Hewitt have positive h-2-h against Sampras, and his net-
> rushing game played into their hands. Of course, I am not claiming
> Sampras was at his very best either of those days - but he was
> thoroughly outplayed and tiredness wasn't the main reason in either
> case IMO...


That's the dumbest post I've ever seen from you.

Stinks bad from here.



 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 15:06:20
From: undecided
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 1:39=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> wkhedr wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.=
com/watch?v=3DptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=3Drelated
> >>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> >>> and Pete was done. =A0It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pic=
k
> >>> up one more slam.
> >> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
> >> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> >> know what hit him that day...
>
> > Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
> > fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
> > Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
> > These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
> > close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of =A0the
> > court.
>
> For some reason you seem to ignore Sampras at advanced age beat both
> Hewitt & Safin in 2001 & 2002 USO semifinals in straight sets...? =A0Why
> is that - general dumbness or just trolling?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

He beat them because he did not have to play back to back matches with
no rest like the stupid USO SemiFinal-Final schedule. He beat them in
earlier rounds where he was fresher and were the old age did not
become an obstacle. Basically, with no fatigue/age Sampras could and
would beat Hewitt and/or Safin on any given dat.


  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 18:49:26
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
undecided wrote:
> On Feb 8, 1:39 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> wkhedr wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>>>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
>>>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
>>>>> up one more slam.
>>>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
>>>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
>>>> know what hit him that day...
>>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
>>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
>>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
>>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
>>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
>>> court.
>> For some reason you seem to ignore Sampras at advanced age beat both
>> Hewitt & Safin in 2001 & 2002 USO semifinals in straight sets...? Why
>> is that - general dumbness or just trolling?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> He beat them because he did not have to play back to back matches with
> no rest like the stupid USO SemiFinal-Final schedule. He beat them in
> earlier rounds where he was fresher and were the old age did not
> become an obstacle. Basically, with no fatigue/age Sampras could and
> would beat Hewitt and/or Safin on any given dat.


Yes, that's obvious to anyone who knows anything about tennis - sadly
that's the minority in rst.





 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 15:06:09
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 3:36=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> wkhedr wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 1:39 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> wkhedr wrote:
> >>> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtub=
e.com/watch?v=3DptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=3Drelated
> >>>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> >>>>> and Pete was done. =A0It's amazing that Safin would go on to only p=
ick
> >>>>> up one more slam.
> >>>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
> >>>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> >>>> know what hit him that day...
> >>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
> >>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
> >>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
> >>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
> >>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of =A0t=
he
> >>> court.
> >> For some reason you seem to ignore Sampras at advanced age beat both
> >> Hewitt & Safin in 2001 & 2002 USO semifinals in straight sets...? =A0W=
hy
> >> is that - general dumbness or just trolling?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > safin is a mental case, can't use him for any measures.
>
> er, Safin had made the semis very easily so was playing very well. =A0Onl=
y
> difference was Sampras was out for revenge.
>
> >What did he do
> > against Hewitt?
>
> Sampras beat Hewitt in straight sets in 2000 USO semifinal.
>
> >How many games will he win if he played Nadal on clay,
> > grass or HC?
>
> Sampras would beat Rafa easily on all surfaces bar clay.
>
>
you're nuts. Or trolling.



  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 18:47:44
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
Scott wrote:
> On Feb 8, 3:36 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> wkhedr wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 1:39 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> wkhedr wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>>>>>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
>>>>>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
>>>>>>> up one more slam.
>>>>>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
>>>>>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
>>>>>> know what hit him that day...
>>>>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
>>>>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
>>>>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
>>>>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
>>>>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
>>>>> court.
>>>> For some reason you seem to ignore Sampras at advanced age beat both
>>>> Hewitt & Safin in 2001 & 2002 USO semifinals in straight sets...? Why
>>>> is that - general dumbness or just trolling?- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> safin is a mental case, can't use him for any measures.
>> er, Safin had made the semis very easily so was playing very well. Only
>> difference was Sampras was out for revenge.
>>
>>> What did he do
>>> against Hewitt?
>> Sampras beat Hewitt in straight sets in 2000 USO semifinal.
>>
>>> How many games will he win if he played Nadal on clay,
>>> grass or HC?
>> Sampras would beat Rafa easily on all surfaces bar clay.
>>
>>
> you're nuts. Or trolling.
>


You're stupid.

Rafa, a 1-time Wimbledon champ & baseliner would beat the greatest
Wimbledon champ of all time? Good luck finding any expert to
corroborate with you.



   
Date: 09 Feb 2009 11:27:42
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:47:44 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>Scott wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 3:36 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>> wkhedr wrote:
>>>> On Feb 8, 1:39 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> wkhedr wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>>>>>>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
>>>>>>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
>>>>>>>> up one more slam.
>>>>>>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
>>>>>>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
>>>>>>> know what hit him that day...
>>>>>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
>>>>>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
>>>>>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
>>>>>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
>>>>>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
>>>>>> court.
>>>>> For some reason you seem to ignore Sampras at advanced age beat both
>>>>> Hewitt & Safin in 2001 & 2002 USO semifinals in straight sets...? Why
>>>>> is that - general dumbness or just trolling?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> safin is a mental case, can't use him for any measures.
>>> er, Safin had made the semis very easily so was playing very well. Only
>>> difference was Sampras was out for revenge.
>>>
>>>> What did he do
>>>> against Hewitt?
>>> Sampras beat Hewitt in straight sets in 2000 USO semifinal.
>>>
>>>> How many games will he win if he played Nadal on clay,
>>>> grass or HC?
>>> Sampras would beat Rafa easily on all surfaces bar clay.
>>>
>>>
>> you're nuts. Or trolling.
>>
>
>
>You're stupid.
>
>Rafa, a 1-time Wimbledon champ & baseliner would beat the greatest
>Wimbledon champ of all time? Good luck finding any expert to
>corroborate with you.


I *am* an expert and I agree with him. And, soon Fed will be the
greatest Wimbledon champ of all time. What will you say then ?

Duh ?


    
Date: 09 Feb 2009 22:59:58
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
Superdave wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:47:44 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 3:36 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> wkhedr wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 8, 1:39 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>> wkhedr wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>>>>>>>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
>>>>>>>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
>>>>>>>>> up one more slam.
>>>>>>>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
>>>>>>>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
>>>>>>>> know what hit him that day...
>>>>>>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
>>>>>>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
>>>>>>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
>>>>>>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
>>>>>>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
>>>>>>> court.
>>>>>> For some reason you seem to ignore Sampras at advanced age beat both
>>>>>> Hewitt & Safin in 2001 & 2002 USO semifinals in straight sets...? Why
>>>>>> is that - general dumbness or just trolling?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> safin is a mental case, can't use him for any measures.
>>>> er, Safin had made the semis very easily so was playing very well. Only
>>>> difference was Sampras was out for revenge.
>>>>
>>>>> What did he do
>>>>> against Hewitt?
>>>> Sampras beat Hewitt in straight sets in 2000 USO semifinal.
>>>>
>>>>> How many games will he win if he played Nadal on clay,
>>>>> grass or HC?
>>>> Sampras would beat Rafa easily on all surfaces bar clay.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> you're nuts. Or trolling.
>>>
>>
>> You're stupid.
>>
>> Rafa, a 1-time Wimbledon champ & baseliner would beat the greatest
>> Wimbledon champ of all time? Good luck finding any expert to
>> corroborate with you.
>
>
> I *am* an expert and I agree with him. And, soon Fed will be the
> greatest Wimbledon champ of all time. What will you say then ?
>
> Duh ?


You'll find out then & no earlier.




 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 15:01:44
From: undecided
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 2:03=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 8, 11:09=A0am, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Both the loses to Hewitt and Safin came at the USOpen with NO REST.
> > For a 29-30yr old, that's tough. The 20 yr olds of course were fresh.
> > And, both of those guys were either #1 or close to #1. Let's not
> > forget that Safin also took out Fed on HC at the Australian so this is
> > all BS. The only one that I don't understand is Hewitt, He just wasn't
> > that good. Even old Pete should have taken him out.
>
> Yes, but funnily when it was Agassi =A0across the net under the same
> circumstances and Sampras was even older, he had no problems. Hewitt
> has a better head to head than Sampras on all surfaces - and Sampras
> himself mentions how Hewitt was one of the very few players who could
> challenge an aggressive netrusher like himself. Its Federer who has
> made Hewitt look worse than he is with the repeated thrashings...

Pete got to the USO final 3 yrs in a row. Twice he lost to the much
younger guy. I bet that if they had an xtra day of rest like all other
slams, Pete would have taken at least one of those slams. Of course,
02 Agassi was just as tired and as old as Pete so we all know how that
played out.


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 14:24:21
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 3:38=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> >>>> of them, please explain.
> >>>>http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/default.as=
...
> >>>> Sampras beat the young Hewitt 17-19 years old, after that, Sampras
> >>>> couldn't beat him.
> >>>> How do you define peak? When Sampras start to lose to him? :)
> >>>> Sampras-fucker!
> >>> Sampras 1st lost to Hewitt in 2000, so the equivalent year would be 2=
010
> >>> for Fed. =A0Let's see who he loses to from next year so we can say Fe=
d was
> >>> clearly surpassed by 20 yr old. =A0Perhaps Gulbis beats him a few tim=
es
> >>> from next yr then we can say it's like Sampras v Hewitt situation.- H=
ide quoted text -
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> The facts are that Sampras didn't win a match from Hewitt in the last
> >> four meetings. Hewitt is probably =3D 50% of Nadal's level.
>
> >> Give Nadal to =A0Sampras on any surface, and no surprise Sampras will
> >> shit his pants.-
>
> > ditto. =A0Sampras was lucky not to have to deal with Rafa.
>
> Rafa would never have won Wimbledon in Sampras era - Fed maybe once.-

the court at W was ridiculously fast during the Sampras era. If you
put peak Pete on the court now against Rafa--no chance. Rafa beats
him silly.



  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 18:25:41
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
Scott wrote:
> On Feb 8, 3:38 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Scott wrote:
>>>>>> of them, please explain.
>>>>>> http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/default.as...
>>>>>> Sampras beat the young Hewitt 17-19 years old, after that, Sampras
>>>>>> couldn't beat him.
>>>>>> How do you define peak? When Sampras start to lose to him? :)
>>>>>> Sampras-fucker!
>>>>> Sampras 1st lost to Hewitt in 2000, so the equivalent year would be 2010
>>>>> for Fed. Let's see who he loses to from next year so we can say Fed was
>>>>> clearly surpassed by 20 yr old. Perhaps Gulbis beats him a few times
>>>>> from next yr then we can say it's like Sampras v Hewitt situation.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> The facts are that Sampras didn't win a match from Hewitt in the last
>>>> four meetings. Hewitt is probably = 50% of Nadal's level.
>>>> Give Nadal to Sampras on any surface, and no surprise Sampras will
>>>> shit his pants.-
>>> ditto. Sampras was lucky not to have to deal with Rafa.
>> Rafa would never have won Wimbledon in Sampras era - Fed maybe once.-
>
> the court at W was ridiculously fast during the Sampras era. If you
> put peak Pete on the court now against Rafa--no chance. Rafa beats
> him silly.
>


Lol!



   
Date: 09 Feb 2009 11:26:36
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:25:41 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>Scott wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 3:38 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>>>>> of them, please explain.
>>>>>>> http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/default.as...
>>>>>>> Sampras beat the young Hewitt 17-19 years old, after that, Sampras
>>>>>>> couldn't beat him.
>>>>>>> How do you define peak? When Sampras start to lose to him? :)
>>>>>>> Sampras-fucker!
>>>>>> Sampras 1st lost to Hewitt in 2000, so the equivalent year would be 2010
>>>>>> for Fed. Let's see who he loses to from next year so we can say Fed was
>>>>>> clearly surpassed by 20 yr old. Perhaps Gulbis beats him a few times
>>>>>> from next yr then we can say it's like Sampras v Hewitt situation.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> The facts are that Sampras didn't win a match from Hewitt in the last
>>>>> four meetings. Hewitt is probably = 50% of Nadal's level.
>>>>> Give Nadal to Sampras on any surface, and no surprise Sampras will
>>>>> shit his pants.-
>>>> ditto. Sampras was lucky not to have to deal with Rafa.
>>> Rafa would never have won Wimbledon in Sampras era - Fed maybe once.-
>>
>> the court at W was ridiculously fast during the Sampras era. If you
>> put peak Pete on the court now against Rafa--no chance. Rafa beats
>> him silly.
>>
>
>
>Lol!

Pete would not even make the final with the field today but if he did
Rafa would beat his brains out.


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 11:45:52
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 7:07=A0pm, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 8, 1:01=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > The facts are that Sampras didn't win a match from Hewitt in the last
> > four meetings. Hewitt is probably =3D 50% of Nadal's level.
>
> > Give Nadal to =A0Sampras on any surface, and no surprise Sampras will
> > shit his pants.
>
> I don't agree with this - Hewitt handles big serve and volleyer better
> than Nadal IMO. I would take Sampras over Nadal any day on all
> surfaces bar clay. Hewitt was an excellent returner, and he feeds of
> power. With Nadal, the only way to take him out his overpower him.
> They are similar in retrieving skills (with Nadal being far better in
> that regard) but there are differences between Hewitt and Nadal...

main difference being that nadal is 10x better?


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 11:19:27
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 2:01=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Feb 8, 1:44=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > wkhedr wrote:
> > > On Feb 8, 10:46 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> > >> "wkhedr" <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:305d6481-777c-4d3e-b633-d80cddba51c3@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.co=
m...
> > >> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in
> > >>>> straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=3Dr=
elated
> > >>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while=
,
> > >>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pic=
k
> > >>>> up one more slam.
> > >>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (unti=
l
> > >>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> > >>> know what hit him that day...
> > >>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
> > >>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
> > >>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
> > >>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
> > >>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of =
=A0the
> > >>> court.
> > >> Fanboys analysis.
>
> > >> 1. Sampras was old eg tired, otherwise how do you explain him beatin=
g a crap
> > >> out of those guys in some other big matches.
>
> > >> 2. Those "semi-Nadals" hit peak at 20, while they played Sampras. Na=
dal hit
> > >> his peak now, but has been beating Federer for a long time.- Hide qu=
oted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > This is Sampras to Hewitt results, where is the beating the crap out
> > > of them, please explain.
> > >http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/default.as.=
..
>
> > > Sampras beat the young Hewitt 17-19 years old, after that, Sampras
> > > couldn't beat him.
> > > How do you define peak? When Sampras start to lose to him? :)
>
> > > Sampras-fucker!
>
> > Sampras 1st lost to Hewitt in 2000, so the equivalent year would be 201=
0
> > for Fed. =A0Let's see who he loses to from next year so we can say Fed =
was
> > clearly surpassed by 20 yr old. =A0Perhaps Gulbis beats him a few times
> > from next yr then we can say it's like Sampras v Hewitt situation.- Hid=
e quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The facts are that Sampras didn't win a match from Hewitt in the last
> four meetings. Hewitt is probably =3D 50% of Nadal's level.
>
> Give Nadal to =A0Sampras on any surface, and no surprise Sampras will
> shit his pants.-

ditto. Sampras was lucky not to have to deal with Rafa.


  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 07:38:50
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
Scott wrote:
>>>> of them, please explain.
>>>> http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/default.as...
>>>> Sampras beat the young Hewitt 17-19 years old, after that, Sampras
>>>> couldn't beat him.
>>>> How do you define peak? When Sampras start to lose to him? :)
>>>> Sampras-fucker!
>>> Sampras 1st lost to Hewitt in 2000, so the equivalent year would be 2010
>>> for Fed. Let's see who he loses to from next year so we can say Fed was
>>> clearly surpassed by 20 yr old. Perhaps Gulbis beats him a few times
>>> from next yr then we can say it's like Sampras v Hewitt situation.- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> The facts are that Sampras didn't win a match from Hewitt in the last
>> four meetings. Hewitt is probably = 50% of Nadal's level.
>>
>> Give Nadal to Sampras on any surface, and no surprise Sampras will
>> shit his pants.-
>
> ditto. Sampras was lucky not to have to deal with Rafa.


Rafa would never have won Wimbledon in Sampras era - Fed maybe once.



 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 11:07:16
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 1:01=A0pm, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> The facts are that Sampras didn't win a match from Hewitt in the last
> four meetings. Hewitt is probably =3D 50% of Nadal's level.
>
> Give Nadal to =A0Sampras on any surface, and no surprise Sampras will
> shit his pants.

I don't agree with this - Hewitt handles big serve and volleyer better
than Nadal IMO. I would take Sampras over Nadal any day on all
surfaces bar clay. Hewitt was an excellent returner, and he feeds of
power. With Nadal, the only way to take him out his overpower him.
They are similar in retrieving skills (with Nadal being far better in
that regard) but there are differences between Hewitt and Nadal...


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 11:04:55
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 1:39=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> wkhedr wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.=
com/watch?v=3DptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=3Drelated
> >>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> >>> and Pete was done. =A0It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pic=
k
> >>> up one more slam.
> >> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
> >> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> >> know what hit him that day...
>
> > Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
> > fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
> > Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
> > These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
> > close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of =A0the
> > court.
>
> For some reason you seem to ignore Sampras at advanced age beat both
> Hewitt & Safin in 2001 & 2002 USO semifinals in straight sets...? =A0Why
> is that - general dumbness or just trolling?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

safin is a mental case, can't use him for any measures. What did he do
against Hewitt? How many games will he win if he played Nadal on clay,
grass or HC?

It would be fun, watching nadal standing in the front rows returning
and passing Sampras while Sampras's tongue is hanging out. For sure a
Sampras-fucker!


  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 07:36:29
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
wkhedr wrote:
> On Feb 8, 1:39 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> wkhedr wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>>>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
>>>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
>>>>> up one more slam.
>>>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
>>>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
>>>> know what hit him that day...
>>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
>>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
>>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
>>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
>>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
>>> court.
>> For some reason you seem to ignore Sampras at advanced age beat both
>> Hewitt & Safin in 2001 & 2002 USO semifinals in straight sets...? Why
>> is that - general dumbness or just trolling?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> safin is a mental case, can't use him for any measures.


er, Safin had made the semis very easily so was playing very well. Only
difference was Sampras was out for revenge.


>What did he do
> against Hewitt?


Sampras beat Hewitt in straight sets in 2000 USO semifinal.



>How many games will he win if he played Nadal on clay,
> grass or HC?


Sampras would beat Rafa easily on all surfaces bar clay.


>
> It would be fun, watching nadal standing in the front rows returning
> and passing Sampras while Sampras's tongue is hanging out. For sure a
> Sampras-fucker!


Huh? You must be mistaking Sampras for Schuettler or somebody. Are you
drunk?


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 11:04:19
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 12:40=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Sampras beat Hewitt/Safin in 2001/2002 USO semis in straight sets. =A0At
> his peak it's not even worth debating.
>
> Fed has no excuse - he's getting raped at his peak by Rafa.

You don't understand the meaning of peak - grab a dictionary...


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 11:03:24
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 11:09=A0am, undecided <cost...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Both the loses to Hewitt and Safin came at the USOpen with NO REST.
> For a 29-30yr old, that's tough. The 20 yr olds of course were fresh.
> And, both of those guys were either #1 or close to #1. Let's not
> forget that Safin also took out Fed on HC at the Australian so this is
> all BS. The only one that I don't understand is Hewitt, He just wasn't
> that good. Even old Pete should have taken him out.

Yes, but funnily when it was Agassi across the net under the same
circumstances and Sampras was even older, he had no problems. Hewitt
has a better head to head than Sampras on all surfaces - and Sampras
himself mentions how Hewitt was one of the very few players who could
challenge an aggressive netrusher like himself. Its Federer who has
made Hewitt look worse than he is with the repeated thrashings...


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 11:01:21
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 1:44=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> wkhedr wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 10:46 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >> "wkhedr" <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:305d6481-777c-4d3e-b633-d80cddba51c3@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com.=
..
> >> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in
> >>>> straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=3Drel=
ated
> >>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> >>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
> >>>> up one more slam.
> >>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
> >>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> >>> know what hit him that day...
> >>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
> >>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
> >>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
> >>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
> >>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of =A0t=
he
> >>> court.
> >> Fanboys analysis.
>
> >> 1. Sampras was old eg tired, otherwise how do you explain him beating =
a crap
> >> out of those guys in some other big matches.
>
> >> 2. Those "semi-Nadals" hit peak at 20, while they played Sampras. Nada=
l hit
> >> his peak now, but has been beating Federer for a long time.- Hide quot=
ed text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > This is Sampras to Hewitt results, where is the beating the crap out
> > of them, please explain.
> >http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/default.as...
>
> > Sampras beat the young Hewitt 17-19 years old, after that, Sampras
> > couldn't beat him.
> > How do you define peak? When Sampras start to lose to him? :)
>
> > Sampras-fucker!
>
> Sampras 1st lost to Hewitt in 2000, so the equivalent year would be 2010
> for Fed. =A0Let's see who he loses to from next year so we can say Fed wa=
s
> clearly surpassed by 20 yr old. =A0Perhaps Gulbis beats him a few times
> from next yr then we can say it's like Sampras v Hewitt situation.- Hide =
quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The facts are that Sampras didn't win a match from Hewitt in the last
four meetings. Hewitt is probably =3D 50% of Nadal's level.

Give Nadal to Sampras on any surface, and no surprise Sampras will
shit his pants.



  
Date: 08 Feb 2009 22:56:42
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000

"wkhedr" <wkhedr@my-deja.com > wrote in message
news:8c4309b4-45ff-4973-a145-1e77d6ded31e@a12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 8, 1:44 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> wkhedr wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 10:46 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >> "wkhedr" <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:305d6481-777c-4d3e-b633-d80cddba51c3@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in
> >>>> straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
> >>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> >>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
> >>>> up one more slam.
> >>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
> >>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> >>> know what hit him that day...
> >>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
> >>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
> >>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
> >>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
> >>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
> >>> court.
> >> Fanboys analysis.
>
> >> 1. Sampras was old eg tired, otherwise how do you explain him beating a
> >> crap
> >> out of those guys in some other big matches.
>
> >> 2. Those "semi-Nadals" hit peak at 20, while they played Sampras. Nadal
> >> hit
> >> his peak now, but has been beating Federer for a long time.- Hide
> >> quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > This is Sampras to Hewitt results, where is the beating the crap out
> > of them, please explain.
> >http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/default.as...
>
> > Sampras beat the young Hewitt 17-19 years old, after that, Sampras
> > couldn't beat him.
> > How do you define peak? When Sampras start to lose to him? :)
>
> > Sampras-fucker!
>
> Sampras 1st lost to Hewitt in 2000, so the equivalent year would be 2010
> for Fed. Let's see who he loses to from next year so we can say Fed was
> clearly surpassed by 20 yr old. Perhaps Gulbis beats him a few times
> from next yr then we can say it's like Sampras v Hewitt situation.- Hide
> quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>The facts are that Sampras didn't win a match from Hewitt in the last
>four meetings. Hewitt is probably = 50% of Nadal's level.

>Give Nadal to Sampras on any surface, and no surprise Sampras will
>shit his pants.


Laughable.




  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 06:03:55
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
wkhedr wrote:
> On Feb 8, 1:44 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> wkhedr wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 10:46 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>> "wkhedr" <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:305d6481-777c-4d3e-b633-d80cddba51c3@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in
>>>>>> straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>>>>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
>>>>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
>>>>>> up one more slam.
>>>>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
>>>>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
>>>>> know what hit him that day...
>>>>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
>>>>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
>>>>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
>>>>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
>>>>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
>>>>> court.
>>>> Fanboys analysis.
>>>> 1. Sampras was old eg tired, otherwise how do you explain him beating a crap
>>>> out of those guys in some other big matches.
>>>> 2. Those "semi-Nadals" hit peak at 20, while they played Sampras. Nadal hit
>>>> his peak now, but has been beating Federer for a long time.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> This is Sampras to Hewitt results, where is the beating the crap out
>>> of them, please explain.
>>> http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/default.as...
>>> Sampras beat the young Hewitt 17-19 years old, after that, Sampras
>>> couldn't beat him.
>>> How do you define peak? When Sampras start to lose to him? :)
>>> Sampras-fucker!
>> Sampras 1st lost to Hewitt in 2000, so the equivalent year would be 2010
>> for Fed. Let's see who he loses to from next year so we can say Fed was
>> clearly surpassed by 20 yr old. Perhaps Gulbis beats him a few times
>> from next yr then we can say it's like Sampras v Hewitt situation.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The facts are that Sampras didn't win a match from Hewitt in the last
> four meetings. Hewitt is probably = 50% of Nadal's level.
>
> Give Nadal to Sampras on any surface, and no surprise Sampras will
> shit his pants.
>


Doesn't address an of my issues - typical.



 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 10:50:15
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 1:40=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 10:02 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube=
.com/watch?v=3DptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=3Drelated
> >>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> >>>> and Pete was done. =A0It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pi=
ck
> >>>> up one more slam.
> >>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
> >>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> >>> know what hit him that day...
> >> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
> >> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
> >> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
> >> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
> >> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of =A0th=
e
> >> court.
>
> > no question about that.
>
> Sampras beat Hewitt/Safin in 2001/2002 USO semis in straight sets. =A0At
> his peak it's not even worth debating.
>
> Fed has no excuse - he's getting raped at his peak by Rafa.-

a predictable response. you've posted the same thoughts here
thousands of times.



 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 09:09:22
From: undecided
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 9:00=A0am, Aranci...@selin.com wrote:
> On Feb 7, 11:23=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.co=
m/watch?v=3DptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=3Drelated
>
> > when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> > and Pete was done. =A0It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
> > up one more slam.
>
> Safin 2 slam wonder. He only beat Pete coz Pete was old.

Both the loses to Hewitt and Safin came at the USOpen with NO REST.
For a 29-30yr old, that's tough. The 20 yr olds of course were fresh.
And, both of those guys were either #1 or close to #1. Let's not
forget that Safin also took out Fed on HC at the Australian so this is
all BS. The only one that I don't understand is Hewitt, He just wasn't
that good. Even old Pete should have taken him out.


  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 18:24:48
From: undecided
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 9, 2:43=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2:03=A0pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 9, 8:29=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 05:19:46 -0800 (PST), Scott <scott...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >On Feb 9, 7:06=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > > >> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > >> > On Feb 9, 1:43 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> On Feb 8, 5:01 pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> Pete got to the USO final 3 yrs in a row. Twice he lost to the=
much
> > > >> >>> younger guy. I bet that if they had an xtra day of rest like a=
ll other
> > > >> >>> slams, Pete would have taken at least one of those slams. Of c=
ourse,
> > > >> >>> 02 Agassi was just as tired and as old as Pete so we all know =
how that
> > > >> >>> played out.
> > > >> >> Not really - Agassi never had fitness issues and his whole game=
was
> > > >> >> about "taking out the legs from his opponent". If the match had=
gone
> > > >> >> 5, Agassi probably would have been the favorite. In the followi=
ng
> > > >> >> slam, Agassi coasted to the AO title played in sweltering heat =
without
> > > >> >> any issue - tiredness was never a factor for Andre. Sampras bea=
t
> > > >> >> Agassi because he owned him at the US Open. I hate revisionist =
history
> > > >> >> of this nature - Sampras got beat pretty badly by Safin and Hew=
itt -
> > > >> >> guys who weren't daunted by big serves and had superior passing=
shots
> > > >> >> than any one in the Sampras generation and were on fire in the =
final.
> > > >> >> Both Safin and Hewitt have positive h-2-h against Sampras, and =
his net-
> > > >> >> rushing game played into their hands. Of course, I am not claim=
ing
> > > >> >> Sampras was at his very best either of those days - but he was
> > > >> >> thoroughly outplayed and tiredness wasn't the main reason in ei=
ther
> > > >> >> case IMO...
>
> > > >> > Sampras said that he didn't fancy his chances if that USO 2002 f=
inal
> > > >> > had gone to five as he was feeling very tired.
>
> > > >> > Luckily he had Agassi in the final - Agassi "did Sampras's dirty=
work"
> > > >> > for him by beating Hewitt in the SF. Hewitt would have had a bet=
ter
> > > >> > chance in the final assuming that Sampras rushed the net as usua=
l
> > > >> > (though Sampras did serve lights out in the first two sets).
>
> > > >> Sampras would never lose 2 slam finals to same guy. =A0He always g=
ot revenge.-
>
> > > >easy to do in a clown era.
>
> > > No question that the Sampras era was loaded with "clowns".
>
> > > The more you study it the more you realize it.
>
> > > Even Agassi, Sampras greatest rival, was a clown compared to Rafa.
>
> > > And, except for Agassi, the rest were incapable compared to the rest
> > > of the top 10 today.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Are you insane? The same guys like Rafter who administered beat down
> > to Fed? Or Henman who did the same? Clowns? And Agassi? The guy who at
> > 30+ with a bad back gave Peak Fed a serious run for his money at the
> > USO?-
>
> spoken just like Whisper. =A0undecided =3D Whisper?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Coming to supercluless's defense?
And to answer your question, undecided < > whisper. I post in spurts,
rather infrequently.


  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 11:43:30
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 9, 2:03=A0pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 9, 8:29=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 05:19:46 -0800 (PST), Scott <scott...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Feb 9, 7:06=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > >> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >> > On Feb 9, 1:43 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> On Feb 8, 5:01 pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >>> Pete got to the USO final 3 yrs in a row. Twice he lost to the m=
uch
> > >> >>> younger guy. I bet that if they had an xtra day of rest like all=
other
> > >> >>> slams, Pete would have taken at least one of those slams. Of cou=
rse,
> > >> >>> 02 Agassi was just as tired and as old as Pete so we all know ho=
w that
> > >> >>> played out.
> > >> >> Not really - Agassi never had fitness issues and his whole game w=
as
> > >> >> about "taking out the legs from his opponent". If the match had g=
one
> > >> >> 5, Agassi probably would have been the favorite. In the following
> > >> >> slam, Agassi coasted to the AO title played in sweltering heat wi=
thout
> > >> >> any issue - tiredness was never a factor for Andre. Sampras beat
> > >> >> Agassi because he owned him at the US Open. I hate revisionist hi=
story
> > >> >> of this nature - Sampras got beat pretty badly by Safin and Hewit=
t -
> > >> >> guys who weren't daunted by big serves and had superior passing s=
hots
> > >> >> than any one in the Sampras generation and were on fire in the fi=
nal.
> > >> >> Both Safin and Hewitt have positive h-2-h against Sampras, and hi=
s net-
> > >> >> rushing game played into their hands. Of course, I am not claimin=
g
> > >> >> Sampras was at his very best either of those days - but he was
> > >> >> thoroughly outplayed and tiredness wasn't the main reason in eith=
er
> > >> >> case IMO...
>
> > >> > Sampras said that he didn't fancy his chances if that USO 2002 fin=
al
> > >> > had gone to five as he was feeling very tired.
>
> > >> > Luckily he had Agassi in the final - Agassi "did Sampras's dirty w=
ork"
> > >> > for him by beating Hewitt in the SF. Hewitt would have had a bette=
r
> > >> > chance in the final assuming that Sampras rushed the net as usual
> > >> > (though Sampras did serve lights out in the first two sets).
>
> > >> Sampras would never lose 2 slam finals to same guy. =A0He always got=
revenge.-
>
> > >easy to do in a clown era.
>
> > No question that the Sampras era was loaded with "clowns".
>
> > The more you study it the more you realize it.
>
> > Even Agassi, Sampras greatest rival, was a clown compared to Rafa.
>
> > And, except for Agassi, the rest were incapable compared to the rest
> > of the top 10 today.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Are you insane? The same guys like Rafter who administered beat down
> to Fed? Or Henman who did the same? Clowns? And Agassi? The guy who at
> 30+ with a bad back gave Peak Fed a serious run for his money at the
> USO?-

spoken just like Whisper. undecided =3D Whisper?


   
Date: 10 Feb 2009 03:00:13
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
Scott wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2:03 pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 9, 8:29 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 05:19:46 -0800 (PST), Scott <scott...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Feb 9, 7:06 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 9, 1:43 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 5:01 pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Pete got to the USO final 3 yrs in a row. Twice he lost to the
>>>>>>>> much younger guy. I bet that if they had an xtra day of rest
>>>>>>>> like all other slams, Pete would have taken at least one of
>>>>>>>> those slams. Of course, 02 Agassi was just as tired and as old
>>>>>>>> as Pete so we all know how that played out.
>>>>>>> Not really - Agassi never had fitness issues and his whole game
>>>>>>> was about "taking out the legs from his opponent". If the match
>>>>>>> had gone 5, Agassi probably would have been the favorite. In
>>>>>>> the following slam, Agassi coasted to the AO title played in
>>>>>>> sweltering heat without any issue - tiredness was never a
>>>>>>> factor for Andre. Sampras beat Agassi because he owned him at
>>>>>>> the US Open. I hate revisionist history of this nature -
>>>>>>> Sampras got beat pretty badly by Safin and Hewitt - guys who
>>>>>>> weren't daunted by big serves and had superior passing shots
>>>>>>> than any one in the Sampras generation and were on fire in the
>>>>>>> final. Both Safin and Hewitt have positive h-2-h against
>>>>>>> Sampras, and his net- rushing game played into their hands. Of
>>>>>>> course, I am not claiming Sampras was at his very best either
>>>>>>> of those days - but he was thoroughly outplayed and tiredness
>>>>>>> wasn't the main reason in either case IMO...
>>
>>>>>> Sampras said that he didn't fancy his chances if that USO 2002
>>>>>> final had gone to five as he was feeling very tired.
>>
>>>>>> Luckily he had Agassi in the final - Agassi "did Sampras's dirty
>>>>>> work" for him by beating Hewitt in the SF. Hewitt would have had
>>>>>> a better chance in the final assuming that Sampras rushed the
>>>>>> net as usual (though Sampras did serve lights out in the first
>>>>>> two sets).
>>
>>>>> Sampras would never lose 2 slam finals to same guy. He always got
>>>>> revenge.-
>>
>>>> easy to do in a clown era.
>>
>>> No question that the Sampras era was loaded with "clowns".
>>
>>> The more you study it the more you realize it.
>>
>>> Even Agassi, Sampras greatest rival, was a clown compared to Rafa.
>>
>>> And, except for Agassi, the rest were incapable compared to the rest
>>> of the top 10 today.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Are you insane? The same guys like Rafter who administered beat down
>> to Fed? Or Henman who did the same? Clowns? And Agassi? The guy who
>> at 30+ with a bad back gave Peak Fed a serious run for his money at
>> the USO?-
>
> spoken just like Whisper. undecided = Whisper?

=*skriptis






  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 11:03:53
From: undecided
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 9, 8:29=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 05:19:46 -0800 (PST), Scott <scott...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Feb 9, 7:06=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Feb 9, 1:43 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Feb 8, 5:01 pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>> Pete got to the USO final 3 yrs in a row. Twice he lost to the muc=
h
> >> >>> younger guy. I bet that if they had an xtra day of rest like all o=
ther
> >> >>> slams, Pete would have taken at least one of those slams. Of cours=
e,
> >> >>> 02 Agassi was just as tired and as old as Pete so we all know how =
that
> >> >>> played out.
> >> >> Not really - Agassi never had fitness issues and his whole game was
> >> >> about "taking out the legs from his opponent". If the match had gon=
e
> >> >> 5, Agassi probably would have been the favorite. In the following
> >> >> slam, Agassi coasted to the AO title played in sweltering heat with=
out
> >> >> any issue - tiredness was never a factor for Andre. Sampras beat
> >> >> Agassi because he owned him at the US Open. I hate revisionist hist=
ory
> >> >> of this nature - Sampras got beat pretty badly by Safin and Hewitt =
-
> >> >> guys who weren't daunted by big serves and had superior passing sho=
ts
> >> >> than any one in the Sampras generation and were on fire in the fina=
l.
> >> >> Both Safin and Hewitt have positive h-2-h against Sampras, and his =
net-
> >> >> rushing game played into their hands. Of course, I am not claiming
> >> >> Sampras was at his very best either of those days - but he was
> >> >> thoroughly outplayed and tiredness wasn't the main reason in either
> >> >> case IMO...
>
> >> > Sampras said that he didn't fancy his chances if that USO 2002 final
> >> > had gone to five as he was feeling very tired.
>
> >> > Luckily he had Agassi in the final - Agassi "did Sampras's dirty wor=
k"
> >> > for him by beating Hewitt in the SF. Hewitt would have had a better
> >> > chance in the final assuming that Sampras rushed the net as usual
> >> > (though Sampras did serve lights out in the first two sets).
>
> >> Sampras would never lose 2 slam finals to same guy. =A0He always got r=
evenge.-
>
> >easy to do in a clown era.
>
> No question that the Sampras era was loaded with "clowns".
>
> The more you study it the more you realize it.
>
> Even Agassi, Sampras greatest rival, was a clown compared to Rafa.
>
> And, except for Agassi, the rest were incapable compared to the rest
> of the top 10 today.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Are you insane? The same guys like Rafter who administered beat down
to Fed? Or Henman who did the same? Clowns? And Agassi? The guy who at
30+ with a bad back gave Peak Fed a serious run for his money at the
USO?


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 07:48:27
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 10:46=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "wkhedr" <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> news:305d6481-777c-4d3e-b633-d80cddba51c3@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Safin's career match, takes Pete out in
> > > straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=3Drela=
ted
>
> > > when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> > > and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
> > > up one more slam.
>
> > I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
> > of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> > know what hit him that day...
> >Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
> >fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
> >Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
> >These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
> >close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of =A0the
> >court.
>
> Fanboys analysis.
>
> 1. Sampras was old eg tired, otherwise how do you explain him beating a c=
rap
> out of those guys in some other big matches.
>
> 2. Those "semi-Nadals" hit peak at 20, while they played Sampras. Nadal h=
it
> his peak now, but has been beating Federer for a long time.- Hide quoted =
text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

This is Sampras to Hewitt results, where is the beating the crap out
of them, please explain.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/default.asp?play=
ernum1=3DS402&playernum2=3DH432

Sampras beat the young Hewitt 17-19 years old, after that, Sampras
couldn't beat him.
How do you define peak? When Sampras start to lose to him? :)

Sampras-fucker!


  
Date: 08 Feb 2009 22:55:51
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000

"wkhedr" <wkhedr@my-deja.com > wrote in message
news:435fef03-09d2-444e-82a4-e18bdc18b490@x10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 8, 10:46 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "wkhedr" <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> news:305d6481-777c-4d3e-b633-d80cddba51c3@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Safin's career match, takes Pete out in
> > > straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>
> > > when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> > > and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
> > > up one more slam.
>
> > I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
> > of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> > know what hit him that day...
> >Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
> >fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
> >Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
> >These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
> >close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
> >court.
>
> Fanboys analysis.
>
> 1. Sampras was old eg tired, otherwise how do you explain him beating a
> crap
> out of those guys in some other big matches.
>
> 2. Those "semi-Nadals" hit peak at 20, while they played Sampras. Nadal
> hit
> his peak now, but has been beating Federer for a long time.- Hide quoted
> text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>This is Sampras to Hewitt results, where is the beating the crap out
>of them, please explain.
>http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/default.asp?playernum1=S402&playernum2=H432

>Sampras beat the young Hewitt 17-19 years old, after that, Sampras
>couldn't beat him.
>How do you define peak? When Sampras start to lose to him? :)

>Sampras-fucker!


First of all Sampras beat 17-19 year old Hewitt in tune-ups, compeltely
irrelevant even if he had lost. But he didn't. He beat him. So you know
shit.


First time he lost to Hewitt was when Hewitt was 20. And it was in a
tune-up.
You're wuite screwed if you consider 2000 Sampras a peak Sampras.
See you in Halle 2010 and if Fed loses to some 20-year old there I hope you
post the same thing.

Sampras won their match when he was 29, and Hewitt 20 when they played at
USO and lost the final following year when he was 30, and Hewitt 21, after
having semifinal in saturday. A 30-year old guy who already suffered from
anemia. Peak Sampras?

Great insight fedfucker.




   
Date: 08 Feb 2009 21:55:19
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000

On 8-Feb-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

> A 30-year old guy who already suffered from
> anemia. Peak Sampras?

Just one question, why do you *believe* he was suffering from anemia? Did
you get to see the doctor's reports?


    
Date: 08 Feb 2009 23:33:17
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
jdeluise wrote:
> On 8-Feb-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>> A 30-year old guy who already suffered from
>> anemia. Peak Sampras?
>
> Just one question, why do you *believe* he was suffering from anemia?
> Did you get to see the doctor's reports?


The emphasis is on 30-year old guy, slower recovery etc. His "anemia" cost
him when he played long matches.
So it's not that much relevant here, but I said it, ok, maybe I took it for
granted, but since no one ever claimed the oposite you can't held that
against me.

I would never bet on my life he actually has it, that's for sure. He could
have fabricated it himself to explain his FO failure, why not.




  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 05:44:57
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
wkhedr wrote:
> On Feb 8, 10:46 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> "wkhedr" <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:305d6481-777c-4d3e-b633-d80cddba51c3@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in
>>>> straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
>>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
>>>> up one more slam.
>>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
>>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
>>> know what hit him that day...
>>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
>>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
>>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
>>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
>>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
>>> court.
>> Fanboys analysis.
>>
>> 1. Sampras was old eg tired, otherwise how do you explain him beating a crap
>> out of those guys in some other big matches.
>>
>> 2. Those "semi-Nadals" hit peak at 20, while they played Sampras. Nadal hit
>> his peak now, but has been beating Federer for a long time.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> This is Sampras to Hewitt results, where is the beating the crap out
> of them, please explain.
> http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/default.asp?playernum1=S402&playernum2=H432
>
> Sampras beat the young Hewitt 17-19 years old, after that, Sampras
> couldn't beat him.
> How do you define peak? When Sampras start to lose to him? :)
>
> Sampras-fucker!


Sampras 1st lost to Hewitt in 2000, so the equivalent year would be 2010
for Fed. Let's see who he loses to from next year so we can say Fed was
clearly surpassed by 20 yr old. Perhaps Gulbis beats him a few times
from next yr then we can say it's like Sampras v Hewitt situation.



 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 07:14:34
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 10:02=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Feb 8, 1:55=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 7, 10:23=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.=
com/watch?v=3DptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=3Drelated
>
> > > when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> > > and Pete was done. =A0It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pic=
k
> > > up one more slam.
>
> > I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
> > of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> > know what hit him that day...
>
> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of =A0the
> court.

no question about that.



  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 05:40:42
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
Scott wrote:
> On Feb 8, 10:02 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
>>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
>>>> up one more slam.
>>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
>>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
>>> know what hit him that day...
>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
>> court.
>
> no question about that.
>


Sampras beat Hewitt/Safin in 2001/2002 USO semis in straight sets. At
his peak it's not even worth debating.

Fed has no excuse - he's getting raped at his peak by Rafa.



   
Date: 09 Feb 2009 09:10:43
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:498f2733$0$23911$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Scott wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 10:02 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in
>>>>> straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>>>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
>>>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
>>>>> up one more slam.
>>>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
>>>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
>>>> know what hit him that day...
>>> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
>>> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
>>> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
>>> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
>>> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
>>> court.
>>
>> no question about that.
>>
>
>
> Sampras beat Hewitt/Safin in 2001/2002 USO semis in straight sets. At his
> peak it's not even worth debating.

very much agreed.

> Fed has no excuse - he's getting raped at his peak by Rafa.




 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 07:02:11
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 8, 1:55=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 7, 10:23=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.co=
m/watch?v=3DptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=3Drelated
>
> > when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> > and Pete was done. =A0It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
> > up one more slam.
>
> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> know what hit him that day...

Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
court.



  
Date: 09 Feb 2009 05:39:12
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
wkhedr wrote:
> On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
>>> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
>>> up one more slam.
>> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
>> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
>> know what hit him that day...
>
> Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
> fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
> Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
> These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
> close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
> court.
>


For some reason you seem to ignore Sampras at advanced age beat both
Hewitt & Safin in 2001 & 2002 USO semifinals in straight sets...? Why
is that - general dumbness or just trolling?



  
Date: 08 Feb 2009 16:46:09
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000

"wkhedr" <wkhedr@my-deja.com > wrote in message
news:305d6481-777c-4d3e-b633-d80cddba51c3@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 8, 1:55 am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Safin's career match, takes Pete out in
> > straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>
> > when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> > and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
> > up one more slam.
>
> I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
> of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
> know what hit him that day...

>Just was outplayed by semi-Nadal players that made him look like a
>fool out there. And now people wonder why Federer doesn't s/v like
>Sampras otherwise he is another bumrooter.
>These players Hewitt & Safin that Sampras lost to, are not even any
>close to Nadal's ability to retrieve and pass in any position of the
>court.


Fanboys analysis.

1. Sampras was old eg tired, otherwise how do you explain him beating a crap
out of those guys in some other big matches.

2. Those "semi-Nadals" hit peak at 20, while they played Sampras. Nadal hit
his peak now, but has been beating Federer for a long time.




 
Date: 07 Feb 2009 22:55:33
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Feb 7, 10:23=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.com/=
watch?v=3DptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=3Drelated
>
> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> and Pete was done. =A0It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
> up one more slam.

I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
know what hit him that day...


  
Date: 08 Feb 2009 07:42:58
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 22:55:33 -0800 (PST), RahimAsif
<RahimAsif@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Feb 7, 10:23 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>>
>> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
>> and Pete was done.  It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
>> up one more slam.
>
>I have never seen Sampras look so helpless as I did that time (until
>of course the Hewitt smackdown the following year). Sampras didn't
>know what hit him that day...


a *lot* of smucks beat pete quite often. only *one* beats roger
though.


 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 06:04:42
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Safin v. Sampras, USO 2000
Scott wrote:
> Safin's career match, takes Pete out in straights:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfjDZ2JBVg&feature=related
>
> when i saw this i thought Marat was going to be on top for a while,
> and Pete was done. It's amazing that Safin would go on to only pick
> up one more slam.

Same as Sampras.