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Date: 30 Jan 2009 22:46:43
From: stephenj
Subject: Sampras on GOAT
"Sampras, in contrast, was willing to take up the topic.

He tabs four men as the greatest, in no particular order: Rod Laver,
Bjorn Borg, Federer and Sampras."

"Four guys that dominated their generations more than anyone else,"
said the 37-year-old Sampras.






--
"I admit that there are good white men,
but they bear no proportion to the bad.
The bad must be strongest, for they rule.
They enslave those not of their color.
There is no faith to be placed in their words."

- Chief Pachgantschilias




 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 08:44:10
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Sampras on GOAT
On Jan 31, 5:46=A0am, stephenj <s...@cox.com > wrote:
> "Sampras, in contrast, was willing to take up the topic.
>
> He tabs four men as the greatest, in no particular order: Rod Laver,
> Bjorn Borg, Federer and Sampras."
>
> "Four guys that dominated their generations more than anyone else,"
> said the 37-year-old Sampras.

Laver - How many of his slams at the start of Open Era?
Borg - No Australian, No US
Federer - No French
Sampras - No French

Even with their deficiencies, they are undoubtedly great tennis
players.
Sampras was always self-absorbed and it would be too much to expect
him to realize that one does not dominate unless one can win slams on
any surface. Sampras dominated on grass and hard courts but failed on
clay.


  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 15:53:33
From: robin
Subject: Re: Sampras on GOAT
On 31 Jan, 16:44, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 5:46=A0am, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote:
>
> > "Sampras, in contrast, was willing to take up the topic.
>
> > He tabs four men as the greatest, in no particular order: Rod Laver,
> > Bjorn Borg, Federer and Sampras."
>
> > "Four guys that dominated their generations more than anyone else,"
> > said the 37-year-old Sampras.
>
> Laver - How many of his slams at the start of Open Era?

How is this a fair criticism of Laver? Laver won a CYGS before turning
pro, then a CYGS when they started allowing pros to play the slams.
The only meaninful gaps in Laver's achievements are those which are
completely beyond his control - no hard court slams, relatively small
number of open era slams. By contrast, the failings of Borg, Federer
and Sampras were due to losing tennis matches at peak ages.

> Borg - No Australian, No US
> Federer - No French
> Sampras - No French
>
> Even with their deficiencies, they are undoubtedly great tennis
> players.
> Sampras was always self-absorbed and it would be too much to expect
> him to realize that one does not dominate unless one can win slams on
> any surface. Sampras dominated on grass and hard courts but failed on
> clay.



   
Date: 31 Jan 2009 19:00:43
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Sampras on GOAT
robin wrote:
> On 31 Jan, 16:44, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 31, 5:46 am, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Sampras, in contrast, was willing to take up the topic.
>>> He tabs four men as the greatest, in no particular order: Rod Laver,
>>> Bjorn Borg, Federer and Sampras."
>>> "Four guys that dominated their generations more than anyone else,"
>>> said the 37-year-old Sampras.
>> Laver - How many of his slams at the start of Open Era?
>
> How is this a fair criticism of Laver? Laver won a CYGS before turning
> pro, then a CYGS when they started allowing pros to play the slams.
> The only meaninful gaps in Laver's achievements are those which are
> completely beyond his control

Yes, unlike Borg, Sampras, or Federer, Laver has no achievement-gaps in
his resume. He just won everything there was to win, and multiple times.


--
The Constitution does not prohibit legislatures from
enacting stupid laws.

- Thurgood Marshall


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 03:58:46
From: Adam Thirnis
Subject: Re: Sampras on GOAT
On Jan 31, 4:46 am, stephenj <s...@cox.com > wrote:
> "Sampras, in contrast, was willing to take up the topic.
>
> He tabs four men as the greatest, in no particular order: Rod Laver,
> Bjorn Borg, Federer and Sampras."

i'd add mcenroe for his pure brilliance - nadal can get there too in a
couple of years time


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 22:52:17
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Sampras on GOAT
stephenj wrote:
> "Sampras, in contrast, was willing to take up the topic.
>
> He tabs four men as the greatest, in no particular order: Rod Laver,
> Bjorn Borg, Federer and Sampras."
>
> "Four guys that dominated their generations more than anyone else,"
> said the 37-year-old Sampras.
>
>
>
>
>
>


No Lendl eh Raja.... ; )



  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 10:28:36
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Sampras on GOAT
On Jan 31, 11:47=A0am, gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 31, 11:52=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > stephenj wrote:
> > > "Sampras, in contrast, was willing to take up the topic.
>
> > > He tabs four men as the greatest, in no particular order: Rod Laver,
> > > Bjorn Borg, Federer and Sampras."
>
> > > "Four guys that dominated their generations more than anyone else,"
> > > said the 37-year-old Sampras.
>
> > No Lendl eh Raja.... ; )
>
> Sampras has Lendl as the next guy (#5) in the Open era - ahead of
> McEnroe ...

lol... i knew. Sampras is intelligent even though he played boring
tennis. Federer is too. Unfortunately rst is too dumb to realize
Lendl's importance.



  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 09:47:43
From:
Subject: Re: Sampras on GOAT
On Jan 31, 11:52=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
> > "Sampras, in contrast, was willing to take up the topic.
>
> > He tabs four men as the greatest, in no particular order: Rod Laver,
> > Bjorn Borg, Federer and Sampras."
>
> > "Four guys that dominated their generations more than anyone else,"
> > said the 37-year-old Sampras.
>
> No Lendl eh Raja.... ; )

Sampras has Lendl as the next guy (#5) in the Open era - ahead of
McEnroe ...



  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 10:18:12
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Sampras on GOAT
Whisper wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>> "Sampras, in contrast, was willing to take up the topic.
>>
>> He tabs four men as the greatest, in no particular order: Rod Laver,
>> Bjorn Borg, Federer and Sampras."
>>
>> "Four guys that dominated their generations more than anyone else,"
>> said the 37-year-old Sampras.

> No Lendl eh Raja.... ; )

Lendl only won 8 slams, never won Wimbledon. He's the Henin of the men's
game, without the talent. The only slam-category he leads in is "most
slam finals lost", not a mark of distinction.

There's no way he can be in any "greatest" conversation.




--
The Constitution does not prohibit legislatures from
enacting stupid laws.

- Thurgood Marshall


   
Date: 31 Jan 2009 18:37:44
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Sampras on GOAT
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:18:12 -0600, stephenj <sjex@cox.com > wrote:

>Whisper wrote:
>> stephenj wrote:
>>> "Sampras, in contrast, was willing to take up the topic.
>>>
>>> He tabs four men as the greatest, in no particular order: Rod Laver,
>>> Bjorn Borg, Federer and Sampras."
>>>
>>> "Four guys that dominated their generations more than anyone else,"
>>> said the 37-year-old Sampras.
>
>> No Lendl eh Raja.... ; )
>
>Lendl only won 8 slams, never won Wimbledon. He's the Henin of the men's
>game, without the talent. The only slam-category he leads in is "most
>slam finals lost", not a mark of distinction.

Doesn't he still also lead "Most slam finals played"? That's a lot
better category, although obviously not as good as Most slam finals
won.


 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 22:34:59
From: Gordon Cameron
Subject: Re: Sampras on GOAT
On Jan 30, 8:46=A0pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com > wrote:
> "Sampras, in contrast, was willing to take up the topic.
>
> He tabs four men as the greatest, in no particular order: Rod Laver,
> Bjorn Borg, Federer and Sampras."
>
> "Four guys that dominated their generations more than anyone else,"
> said the 37-year-old Sampras.
>
> --
> "I admit that there are good white men,
> but they bear no proportion to the bad.
> The bad must be strongest, for they rule.
> They enslave those not of their color.
> There is no faith to be placed in their words."
>
> - Chief Pachgantschilias

Those are the only choices if we limit ourselves to the open era.