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Date: 06 Jan 2009 07:21:49
From: BlackJAG
Subject: Santoro to be double bageled?
No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician




 
Date: 08 Jan 2009 06:05:03
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
On Jan 8, 3:28=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Jason Catlin wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 2:28 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Jan 6, 3:26 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
> >>>> BlackJAG wrote:
> >>>>> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
> >>>> No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of pl=
ay.
> >>> I thought he was retiring?
> >>> Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
> >>> last year since it was his last time?
> >> This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to retir=
e
> >> - who can blame him?
>
> >> It's pretty laughable when a guy who is about Schuettler's level is
> >> defending AO champ & considered a great player in this era.
>
> > Don't let your biases blind you to reality. Djoke may not be an all-
> > time great player, but he's got three inches
> > and 20 pounds on Schuettler. That makes a huge difference in terms of
> > his serve and overall power. When you consider that he moves just
> > about as well as Schuettler, it's easy to see why he's a top 5 player.
>
> Cuts both ways - you shouldn't assume he's some kind of great talent
> just because he's ranked no.3 in this era. =A0Somebody has to.-

There have been better No. 3s and worse ones. I don't think he
particularly stands out.

It's only in rst where people are saying "wow this era sucks because
Djoke is at No. 3."


 
Date: 07 Jan 2009 07:14:13
From:
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
>>> Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
> >>> last year since it was his last time?
> >> This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to retire
> >> - who can blame him?
>
> > But the only time I see Santoro now is when he appears against a top
> > player in an early tournament round and he gets wiped out.
>
> > He got 3 games off Federer at last year's AO, 6 off Roddick at the USO
> > and one game v Nadal yesterday.
>
> > He had a few wins on the main tour last year but played some
> > challengers as well. His results don't agree with your theory ....
>
> 'Course they do - he's about to make history by playing pro in 4
> different decades.

So what? As a journeyman. And it's a fluke of when he started - 1989
just gets him into the 1980s. Agassi played 20 years as well but this
only covered 3 decades as he started in 1986.

Snatoro's results are no better than they were a few years ago, in
fact they are worse.



  
Date: 08 Jan 2009 19:30:07
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
>>>>> last year since it was his last time?
>>>> This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to retire
>>>> - who can blame him?
>>> But the only time I see Santoro now is when he appears against a top
>>> player in an early tournament round and he gets wiped out.
>>> He got 3 games off Federer at last year's AO, 6 off Roddick at the USO
>>> and one game v Nadal yesterday.
>>> He had a few wins on the main tour last year but played some
>>> challengers as well. His results don't agree with your theory ....
>> 'Course they do - he's about to make history by playing pro in 4
>> different decades.
>
> So what? As a journeyman. And it's a fluke of when he started - 1989
> just gets him into the 1980s. Agassi played 20 years as well but this
> only covered 3 decades as he started in 1986.


It's a nice stat to have on your resume - 4 different decades - wow.


>
> Snatoro's results are no better than they were a few years ago, in
> fact they are worse.
>


They should be. He shouldn't even be able to make a living at his age.



  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 19:41:54
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?

On 7-Jan-2009, gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

> >>> Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
> > >>> last year since it was his last time?
> > >> This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to
> > >> retire
> > >> - who can blame him?
> >
> > > But the only time I see Santoro now is when he appears against a top
> > > player in an early tournament round and he gets wiped out.
> >
> > > He got 3 games off Federer at last year's AO, 6 off Roddick at the USO
> > > and one game v Nadal yesterday.
> >
> > > He had a few wins on the main tour last year but played some
> > > challengers as well. His results don't agree with your theory ....
> >
> > 'Course they do - he's about to make history by playing pro in 4
> > different decades.
>
> So what? As a journeyman. And it's a fluke of when he started - 1989
> just gets him into the 1980s. Agassi played 20 years as well but this
> only covered 3 decades as he started in 1986.
>
> Snatoro's results are no better than they were a few years ago, in
> fact they are worse.

I'm afraid Whisper started this thread to keep our minds off the rather
newbish question about racket stringing yesterday. Given the results he
always brags about here, one would think that he would have experimented
with different tensions before....


   
Date: 08 Jan 2009 20:56:24
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
jdeluise wrote:
> On 7-Jan-2009, gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>>>> Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
>>>>>> last year since it was his last time?
>>>>> This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to
>>>>> retire
>>>>> - who can blame him?
>>>> But the only time I see Santoro now is when he appears against a top
>>>> player in an early tournament round and he gets wiped out.
>>>> He got 3 games off Federer at last year's AO, 6 off Roddick at the USO
>>>> and one game v Nadal yesterday.
>>>> He had a few wins on the main tour last year but played some
>>>> challengers as well. His results don't agree with your theory ....
>>> 'Course they do - he's about to make history by playing pro in 4
>>> different decades.
>> So what? As a journeyman. And it's a fluke of when he started - 1989
>> just gets him into the 1980s. Agassi played 20 years as well but this
>> only covered 3 decades as he started in 1986.
>>
>> Snatoro's results are no better than they were a few years ago, in
>> fact they are worse.
>
> I'm afraid Whisper started this thread to keep our minds off the rather
> newbish question about racket stringing yesterday. Given the results he
> always brags about here, one would think that he would have experimented
> with different tensions before....



I have, but last few yrs not so much. I've always been pretty good at
adjusting quickly to any racket - I remember using cheap $20 junior
racket from K Mart to beat very serious players. That's why I'm puzzled
at this difference with 9 lbs droppage. I'm thinking it's more to do
with the fact the pro used 2 different strings as well as the tension drop.

Most guys I play with take the game incredibly seriously, eg;

- They still have lessons even after 20 yrs, despite being very good players
- They have all the expensive gear
- They insist on full warm ups every time - eg lots of practice serves
to both sides, volleys, etc - fucking ridiculous.

It's pretty funny & amuses me greatly. I just rock up with no warm-ups
& beat them 61 61 type.



   
Date: 07 Jan 2009 19:45:04
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?

On 7-Jan-2009, "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com > wrote:

> I'm afraid Whisper started this thread to keep our minds off the rather
> newbish question about racket stringing yesterday. Given the results he
> always brags about here, one would think that he would have experimented
> with different tensions before....

This would have been more accurate if he had actually started the thread:)


    
Date: 08 Jan 2009 00:00:18
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:45:04 GMT, "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com >
wrote:

>
>On 7-Jan-2009, "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm afraid Whisper started this thread to keep our minds off the rather
>> newbish question about racket stringing yesterday. Given the results he
>> always brags about here, one would think that he would have experimented
>> with different tensions before....
>
>This would have been more accurate if he had actually started the thread:)

A little bit, yes :-)


     
Date: 08 Jan 2009 13:55:19
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:45:04 GMT, "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7-Jan-2009, "jdeluise" <jdeluise@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm afraid Whisper started this thread to keep our minds off the rather
>>> newbish question about racket stringing yesterday. Given the results he
>>> always brags about here, one would think that he would have experimented
>>> with different tensions before....
>> This would have been more accurate if he had actually started the thread:)
>
> A little bit, yes :-)

Change "started" to "attempted to hijack" and the reading is just dandy.

--
Cheers,

vc


 
Date: 07 Jan 2009 06:34:50
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
On Jan 7, 2:28=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 6, 3:26 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
> >> BlackJAG wrote:
> >>> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
> >> No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of play=
.
>
> > I thought he was retiring?
>
> > Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
> > last year since it was his last time?
>
> This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to retire
> - who can blame him?
>
> It's pretty laughable when a guy who is about Schuettler's level is
> defending AO champ & considered a great player in this era.

Don't let your biases blind you to reality. Djoke may not be an all-
time great player, but he's got three inches
and 20 pounds on Schuettler. That makes a huge difference in terms of
his serve and overall power. When you consider that he moves just
about as well as Schuettler, it's easy to see why he's a top 5 player.


  
Date: 08 Jan 2009 19:28:50
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
Jason Catlin wrote:
> On Jan 7, 2:28 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 6, 3:26 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>>> BlackJAG wrote:
>>>>> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
>>>> No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of play.
>>> I thought he was retiring?
>>> Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
>>> last year since it was his last time?
>> This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to retire
>> - who can blame him?
>>
>> It's pretty laughable when a guy who is about Schuettler's level is
>> defending AO champ & considered a great player in this era.
>
> Don't let your biases blind you to reality. Djoke may not be an all-
> time great player, but he's got three inches
> and 20 pounds on Schuettler. That makes a huge difference in terms of
> his serve and overall power. When you consider that he moves just
> about as well as Schuettler, it's easy to see why he's a top 5 player.



Cuts both ways - you shouldn't assume he's some kind of great talent
just because he's ranked no.3 in this era. Somebody has to.



  
Date: 08 Jan 2009 00:21:54
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:34:50 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
<jason-catlin@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 7, 2:28 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Jan 6, 3:26 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> >> BlackJAG wrote:
>> >>> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
>> >> No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of play.
>>
>> > I thought he was retiring?
>>
>> > Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
>> > last year since it was his last time?
>>
>> This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to retire
>> - who can blame him?
>>
>> It's pretty laughable when a guy who is about Schuettler's level is
>> defending AO champ & considered a great player in this era.
>
>Don't let your biases blind you to reality. Djoke may not be an all-
>time great player, but he's got three inches
>and 20 pounds on Schuettler. That makes a huge difference in terms of
>his serve and overall power. When you consider that he moves just
>about as well as Schuettler, it's easy to see why he's a top 5 player.


switching raquets was a big mistake though.


   
Date: 08 Jan 2009 21:08:01
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:34:50 -0800 (PST), Jason Catlin
> <jason-catlin@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 7, 2:28 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Jan 6, 3:26 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>>>> BlackJAG wrote:
>>>>>> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
>>>>> No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of play.
>>>> I thought he was retiring?
>>>> Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
>>>> last year since it was his last time?
>>> This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to retire
>>> - who can blame him?
>>>
>>> It's pretty laughable when a guy who is about Schuettler's level is
>>> defending AO champ & considered a great player in this era.
>> Don't let your biases blind you to reality. Djoke may not be an all-
>> time great player, but he's got three inches
>> and 20 pounds on Schuettler. That makes a huge difference in terms of
>> his serve and overall power. When you consider that he moves just
>> about as well as Schuettler, it's easy to see why he's a top 5 player.
>
>
> switching raquets was a big mistake though.


Agreed.



 
Date: 07 Jan 2009 02:12:15
From:
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
On Jan 7, 7:28=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 6, 3:26 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
> >> BlackJAG wrote:
> >>> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
> >> No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of play=
.
>
> > I thought he was retiring?
>
> > Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
> > last year since it was his last time?
>
> This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to retire
> - who can blame him?

But the only time I see Santoro now is when he appears against a top
player in an early tournament round and he gets wiped out.

He got 3 games off Federer at last year's AO, 6 off Roddick at the USO
and one game v Nadal yesterday.

He had a few wins on the main tour last year but played some
challengers as well. His results don't agree with your theory ....





  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 22:06:27
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 7, 7:28 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 6, 3:26 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>>> BlackJAG wrote:
>>>>> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
>>>> No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of play.
>>> I thought he was retiring?
>>> Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
>>> last year since it was his last time?
>> This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to retire
>> - who can blame him?
>
> But the only time I see Santoro now is when he appears against a top
> player in an early tournament round and he gets wiped out.
>
> He got 3 games off Federer at last year's AO, 6 off Roddick at the USO
> and one game v Nadal yesterday.
>
> He had a few wins on the main tour last year but played some
> challengers as well. His results don't agree with your theory ....
>
>
>


'Course they do - he's about to make history by playing pro in 4
different decades.



 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 22:17:35
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:21:49 -0800 (PST), BlackJAG
<mustafabenali@gmail.com > wrote:

>No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician

Damn, Eurosport probably showed it, but later than it should have
been, and I missed it. I knew the result would be just about that, but
would have been nice to see.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 12:40:37
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
BlackJAG <mustafabenali@gmail.com > wrote:
> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician

Toldya - if there's no baking then Rafa's not trying.


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 15:53:38
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
Javier Gonzalez wrote:
> BlackJAG <mustafabenali@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
>
> Toldya - if there's no baking then Rafa's not trying.

Nadal's always trying. Just ask Giovanna. ;-(

--
Cheers,

vc


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 07:35:10
From:
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
On Jan 6, 3:26=A0pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net > wrote:
> BlackJAG wrote:
> > No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
>
> No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of play.
>

I thought he was retiring?

Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
last year since it was his last time?




  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 18:28:49
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 6, 3:26 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> BlackJAG wrote:
>>> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
>> No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of play.
>>
>
> I thought he was retiring?
>
> Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
> last year since it was his last time?
>
>


This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to retire
- who can blame him?

It's pretty laughable when a guy who is about Schuettler's level is
defending AO champ & considered a great player in this era.



   
Date: 07 Jan 2009 11:18:50
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:28:49 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 6, 3:26 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>> BlackJAG wrote:
>>>> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
>>> No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of play.
>>>
>>
>> I thought he was retiring?
>>
>> Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
>> last year since it was his last time?
>>
>>
>
>
>This era is so incredibly soft he keeps delaying his decision to retire
>- who can blame him?
>
>It's pretty laughable when a guy who is about Schuettler's level is
>defending AO champ & considered a great player in this era.


he did far better in the sampras era. so did a lot of clowns. haas was
even #2.


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 22:18:43
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:35:10 -0800 (PST), gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Jan 6, 3:26 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> BlackJAG wrote:
>> > No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
>>
>> No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of play.
>>
>
>I thought he was retiring?
>
>Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
>last year since it was his last time?

He talked about retiring early last year, but I think pretty early in
the year started having second thoughts, "I am not sure if I retire,
maybe I play a light schedule etc."



  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 11:54:50
From:
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
In article
<2281879b-ea1d-4cdd-9a1d-2dbc4b31b789@r37g2000prr.googlegroups.com >,
gregorawe@hotmail.com () wrote:

>
> I thought he was retiring?
>
> Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
> last year since it was his last time?
>
>

Maybe he intends to play one last FO and retire there?

wg


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 15:41:30
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 6, 3:26 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> BlackJAG wrote:
>>> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician
>> No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of play.
>>
>
> I thought he was retiring?
>
> Didn't he make a big deal about playing on centre court at Wimbledon
> last year since it was his last time?
>
>

I think he expected to. It must be hard to give it up after his decades
on the tour.

--
Cheers,

vc


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 15:26:46
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: Santoro to be double bageled?
BlackJAG wrote:
> No answers to Nadal's game from the Magician

No safe place on court especially at his age and current level of play.

--
Cheers,

vc