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Date: 13 Feb 2009 13:34:00
From: ghell666
Subject: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 ( pre
The 12 biggest events in women's tennis from the 1990 WTA Tour
Championships through the 1993 Australian Open:


1990 WTA Tour Championships
MONICA SELES WON (over Gabriela Sabatini).
STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to Sabatini in straight sets.)

1991 Australian
MONICA SELES WON (over Jana Novotna).
STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to Jana Novotna).

1991 French
MONICA SELES WON (over Arantxa Sanchez Vicario).
STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to ASV in straight sets).

1991 Wimbledon
MONICA SELES DID NOT PLAY
STEFF GRAF WON (over Gabriela Sabatini 8-6 in the 3rd).

1991 U.S. Open
MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to Martina Navratilova).

1991 WTA Tour Championships
MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to Jana Novotna).

1992 Australian
MONICA SELES WON (over Mary Joe Fernandez).
STEFF GRAF DID NOT PLAY.

1992 French
MONICA SELES WON (over Steffi Graf).
STEFF GRAF LOST IN THE FINAL (to Monica Seles).

1992 Wimbledon
MONICA SELES LOST IN THE FINAL (to Steffi Graf).
STEFF GRAF WON (over Monica Seles).

1992 U.S. Open
MONICA SELES WON (over ASV).
STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to ASV in straight sets).

1992 WTA Tour Championships
MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
STEFF GRAF LOST IN FIRST ROUND (to Lori McNeal).

1993 Australian
MONICA SELES WON (over Steffi Graf).
STEFF GRAF LOST IN THE FINAL (to Monica Seles).



In these 12 major events between the end of 1990 and the stabbing of
Monica Seles by a Steffi Graf fan ...

Monica Seles:

=95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
=95 won 10 of the 12 events.
=95 reached the final round in 11 of the 12 events.

Steffi Graf:

=95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
=95 won 2 of the 12 events.
=95 reached the final round in 4 of the 12 events.
=95 lost in the semis or earlier in 8 of the 12 events.


In addition to going 2-1 vs. Graf in these 12 big women's tournaments
between the end of 1990 and the stabbing ... Seles also had 5 wins in
the final round of these big events over players who had beaten Graf
in either the semis or quarters of the same event (Sabatini ...
Novotna ... Navratilova ... and ASV twice).

, Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 just
as Navratilova did ... but Seles was also beating players who had also
beaten Graf in the semis and quarters of the big events Graf was
losing.

This not only shows Seles was in her head in the same way Rafa is with
Fed , but also like Fed a clear parallel in disappointing results the
very years Seles had her number , hardly a coincidence - no ?




 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 10:30:55
From: dixon
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On 14 Feb, 16:12, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 14 Feb, 15:08, cernunn...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Feb 14, 5:37=A0am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 14 Feb, 08:24, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Graf was having chronic back problems during that time too. I don't
> > > > know why anyone would be a fan of Seles or her game. Give her credi=
t
> > > > for relentless aggression, but it was shrill ugliness across the bo=
ard.
>
> > > Ugliness ?
> > > What do you call golorified junkballer with no backhand , and a nose
> > > bigger than Rajas penis ?'
>
> > Even Michael Jackson has the latter.
>
> Ouch

ghell666, Uo yours you fuckin seles arsewipe. Jelousy will get you
nowhere. Fuckin puppet.


 
Date: 14 Feb 2009 08:12:26
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On 14 Feb, 15:08, cernunn...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 14, 5:37=A0am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 14 Feb, 08:24, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Graf was having chronic back problems during that time too. I don't
> > > know why anyone would be a fan of Seles or her game. Give her credit
> > > for relentless aggression, but it was shrill ugliness across the boar=
d.
>
> > Ugliness ?
> > What do you call golorified junkballer with no backhand , and a nose
> > bigger than Rajas penis ?'
>
> Even Michael Jackson has the latter.

Ouch


 
Date: 14 Feb 2009 07:08:40
From:
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On Feb 14, 5:37=A0am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 14 Feb, 08:24, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:

> > Graf was having chronic back problems during that time too. I don't
> > know why anyone would be a fan of Seles or her game. Give her credit
> > for relentless aggression, but it was shrill ugliness across the board.
>
> Ugliness ?

> What do you call golorified junkballer with no backhand , and a nose
> bigger than Rajas penis ?'

Even Michael Jackson has the latter.



 
Date: 14 Feb 2009 07:06:39
From:
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On Feb 14, 4:45=A0am, Calimero <calimero...@gmx.de > wrote:
> On Feb 14, 10:20=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > As usual, all you have is garbage.
> > The complete Seles story and her record against Graf can be found
> > here:

> We know the record:
> 10-5 H2H in Graf's favour.
> Even more revealing - 5-2 when Seles was WTA #1.

Yep. Must remember, though, you're addressing one of Roddick's 3 fans.
Solid logic and telling stats won't get you far.
> Max



 
Date: 14 Feb 2009 03:03:06
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On Feb 14, 4:37=A0am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 14 Feb, 08:24, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Feb 14, 12:32=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > You're wasting your breath - Seles only had had winning record v Graf=
at
> > > AO, & even there they both won 4 titles each.
>
> > > I sense you strongly wish Seles had more wins/think she woulda, but t=
hat
> > > means absolutely nothing.
>
> > Graf was having chronic back problems during that time too. I don't
> > know why anyone would be a fan of Seles or her game. Give her credit
> > for relentless aggression, but it was shrill ugliness across the board.
>
> Ugliness ?
>
> What do you call golorified junkballer with no backhand , and a nose
> bigger than Rajas penis ?

What do you call a 22 slam winner, 377 weeks as #1 player? I say GOAT


 
Date: 14 Feb 2009 02:38:48
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On 14 Feb, 09:45, Calimero <calimero...@gmx.de > wrote:
> On Feb 14, 10:20=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 14, 9:24=A0am, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 14, 12:32=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > You're wasting your breath - Seles only had had winning record v Gr=
af at
> > > > AO, & even there they both won 4 titles each.
>
> > > > I sense you strongly wish Seles had more wins/think she woulda, but=
that
> > > > means absolutely nothing.
>
> > > Graf was having chronic back problems during that time too. I don't
> > > know why anyone would be a fan of Seles or her game. Give her credit
> > > for relentless aggression, but it was shrill ugliness across the boar=
d.
>
> > As usual, all you have is garbage.
> > The complete Seles story and her record against Graf can be found
> > here:
>
> We know the record:
> 10-5 H2H in Graf's favour.
> Even more revealing - 5-2 when Seles was WTA #1.
>
> Max

Prestabbing does not count .

Live with it friendo


 
Date: 14 Feb 2009 02:37:17
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On 14 Feb, 08:24, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 14, 12:32=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > You're wasting your breath - Seles only had had winning record v Graf a=
t
> > AO, & even there they both won 4 titles each.
>
> > I sense you strongly wish Seles had more wins/think she woulda, but tha=
t
> > means absolutely nothing.
>
> Graf was having chronic back problems during that time too. I don't
> know why anyone would be a fan of Seles or her game. Give her credit
> for relentless aggression, but it was shrill ugliness across the board.

Ugliness ?

What do you call golorified junkballer with no backhand , and a nose
bigger than Rajas penis ?



 
Date: 14 Feb 2009 02:35:09
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On 14 Feb, 05:32, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> ghell666 wrote:
> > The 12 biggest events in women's tennis from the 1990 WTA Tour
> > Championships through the 1993 Australian Open:
>
> > 1990 WTA Tour Championships
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Gabriela Sabatini).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to Sabatini in straight sets.)
>
> > 1991 Australian
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Jana Novotna).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to Jana Novotna).
>
> > 1991 French
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Arantxa Sanchez Vicario).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to ASV in straight sets).
>
> > 1991 Wimbledon
> > MONICA SELES DID NOT PLAY
> > STEFF GRAF WON (over Gabriela Sabatini 8-6 in the 3rd).
>
> > 1991 U.S. Open
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to Martina Navratilova).
>
> > 1991 WTA Tour Championships
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to Jana Novotna).
>
> > 1992 Australian
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Mary Joe Fernandez).
> > STEFF GRAF DID NOT PLAY.
>
> > 1992 French
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Steffi Graf).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN THE FINAL (to Monica Seles).
>
> > 1992 Wimbledon
> > MONICA SELES LOST IN THE FINAL (to Steffi Graf).
> > STEFF GRAF WON (over Monica Seles).
>
> > 1992 U.S. Open
> > MONICA SELES WON (over ASV).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to ASV in straight sets).
>
> > 1992 WTA Tour Championships
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN FIRST ROUND (to Lori McNeal).
>
> > 1993 Australian
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Steffi Graf).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN THE FINAL (to Monica Seles).
>
> > In these 12 major events between the end of 1990 and the stabbing of
> > Monica Seles by a Steffi Graf fan ...
>
> > Monica Seles:
>
> > =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> > =95 won 10 of the 12 events.
> > =95 reached the final round in 11 of the 12 events.
>
> > Steffi Graf:
>
> > =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> > =95 won 2 of the 12 events.
> > =95 reached the final round in 4 of the 12 events.
> > =95 lost in the semis or earlier in 8 of the 12 events.
>
> > In addition to going 2-1 vs. Graf in these 12 big women's tournaments
> > between the end of 1990 and the stabbing ... Seles also had 5 wins in
> > the final round of these big events over players who had beaten Graf
> > in either the semis or quarters of the same event (Sabatini ...
> > Novotna ... Navratilova ... and ASV twice).
>
> > , Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 just
> > as Navratilova did ... but Seles was also beating players who had also
> > beaten Graf in the semis and quarters of the big events Graf was
> > losing.
>
> > This not only shows Seles was in her head in the same way Rafa is with
> > Fed , but also like Fed a clear parallel in disappointing results the
> > very years Seles had her number , hardly a coincidence - no ?
>
> I think Fed does well v players who beat Rafa too.
>

Llike Murray you mean ?


 
Date: 14 Feb 2009 01:45:31
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On Feb 14, 10:20=A0am, Fan <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 14, 9:24=A0am, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Feb 14, 12:32=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > You're wasting your breath - Seles only had had winning record v Graf=
at
> > > AO, & even there they both won 4 titles each.
>
> > > I sense you strongly wish Seles had more wins/think she woulda, but t=
hat
> > > means absolutely nothing.
>
> > Graf was having chronic back problems during that time too. I don't
> > know why anyone would be a fan of Seles or her game. Give her credit
> > for relentless aggression, but it was shrill ugliness across the board.
>
> As usual, all you have is garbage.
> The complete Seles story and her record against Graf can be found
> here:
>

We know the record:
10-5 H2H in Graf's favour.
Even more revealing - 5-2 when Seles was WTA #1.

Max


 
Date: 14 Feb 2009 01:20:22
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On Feb 14, 9:24=A0am, moonki...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 14, 12:32=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > You're wasting your breath - Seles only had had winning record v Graf a=
t
> > AO, & even there they both won 4 titles each.
>
> > I sense you strongly wish Seles had more wins/think she woulda, but tha=
t
> > means absolutely nothing.
>
> Graf was having chronic back problems during that time too. I don't
> know why anyone would be a fan of Seles or her game. Give her credit
> for relentless aggression, but it was shrill ugliness across the board.

As usual, all you have is garbage.
The complete Seles story and her record against Graf can be found
here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Seles



 
Date: 14 Feb 2009 00:24:43
From:
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On Feb 14, 12:32=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:

> You're wasting your breath - Seles only had had winning record v Graf at
> AO, & even there they both won 4 titles each.
>
> I sense you strongly wish Seles had more wins/think she woulda, but that
> means absolutely nothing.

Graf was having chronic back problems during that time too. I don't
know why anyone would be a fan of Seles or her game. Give her credit
for relentless aggression, but it was shrill ugliness across the board.


  
Date: 15 Feb 2009 00:13:42
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993
moonking6@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 14, 12:32 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> You're wasting your breath - Seles only had had winning record v Graf at
>> AO, & even there they both won 4 titles each.
>>
>> I sense you strongly wish Seles had more wins/think she woulda, but that
>> means absolutely nothing.
>
> Graf was having chronic back problems during that time too. I don't
> know why anyone would be a fan of Seles or her game. Give her credit
> for relentless aggression, but it was shrill ugliness across the board.


I actually was a fan of Seles' game - great flat groundies off both
wings & ferocious competitor while she was coming up. However she was
never better than Graf's peak form.


   
Date: 14 Feb 2009 14:19:02
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 ( pre Knife )
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:13:42 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>moonking6@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Feb 14, 12:32 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> You're wasting your breath - Seles only had had winning record v Graf at
>>> AO, & even there they both won 4 titles each.
>>>
>>> I sense you strongly wish Seles had more wins/think she woulda, but that
>>> means absolutely nothing.
>>
>> Graf was having chronic back problems during that time too. I don't
>> know why anyone would be a fan of Seles or her game. Give her credit
>> for relentless aggression, but it was shrill ugliness across the board.
>
>
>I actually was a fan of Seles' game - great flat groundies off both
>wings & ferocious competitor while she was coming up. However she was
>never better than Graf's peak form.


i was too. i used to root for her against steffi all the time but alas
she always lost.


 
Date: 14 Feb 2009 16:32:05
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993
ghell666 wrote:
> The 12 biggest events in women's tennis from the 1990 WTA Tour
> Championships through the 1993 Australian Open:
>
>
> 1990 WTA Tour Championships
> MONICA SELES WON (over Gabriela Sabatini).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to Sabatini in straight sets.)
>
> 1991 Australian
> MONICA SELES WON (over Jana Novotna).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to Jana Novotna).
>
> 1991 French
> MONICA SELES WON (over Arantxa Sanchez Vicario).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to ASV in straight sets).
>
> 1991 Wimbledon
> MONICA SELES DID NOT PLAY
> STEFF GRAF WON (over Gabriela Sabatini 8-6 in the 3rd).
>
> 1991 U.S. Open
> MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to Martina Navratilova).
>
> 1991 WTA Tour Championships
> MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to Jana Novotna).
>
> 1992 Australian
> MONICA SELES WON (over Mary Joe Fernandez).
> STEFF GRAF DID NOT PLAY.
>
> 1992 French
> MONICA SELES WON (over Steffi Graf).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN THE FINAL (to Monica Seles).
>
> 1992 Wimbledon
> MONICA SELES LOST IN THE FINAL (to Steffi Graf).
> STEFF GRAF WON (over Monica Seles).
>
> 1992 U.S. Open
> MONICA SELES WON (over ASV).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to ASV in straight sets).
>
> 1992 WTA Tour Championships
> MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN FIRST ROUND (to Lori McNeal).
>
> 1993 Australian
> MONICA SELES WON (over Steffi Graf).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN THE FINAL (to Monica Seles).
>
>
>
> In these 12 major events between the end of 1990 and the stabbing of
> Monica Seles by a Steffi Graf fan ...
>
> Monica Seles:
>
> entered 11 of the 12 events.
> won 10 of the 12 events.
> reached the final round in 11 of the 12 events.
>
> Steffi Graf:
>
> entered 11 of the 12 events.
> won 2 of the 12 events.
> reached the final round in 4 of the 12 events.
> lost in the semis or earlier in 8 of the 12 events.
>
>
> In addition to going 2-1 vs. Graf in these 12 big women's tournaments
> between the end of 1990 and the stabbing ... Seles also had 5 wins in
> the final round of these big events over players who had beaten Graf
> in either the semis or quarters of the same event (Sabatini ...
> Novotna ... Navratilova ... and ASV twice).
>
> , Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 just
> as Navratilova did ... but Seles was also beating players who had also
> beaten Graf in the semis and quarters of the big events Graf was
> losing.
>
> This not only shows Seles was in her head in the same way Rafa is with
> Fed , but also like Fed a clear parallel in disappointing results the
> very years Seles had her number , hardly a coincidence - no ?


I think Fed does well v players who beat Rafa too.

You're wasting your breath - Seles only had had winning record v Graf at
AO, & even there they both won 4 titles each.

I sense you strongly wish Seles had more wins/think she woulda, but that
means absolutely nothing.



 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 19:18:51
From: amy
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On Feb 13, 5:20=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 13, 5:16=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 13 Feb, 23:12, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 13, 3:34=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In these 12 major events between the end of 1990 and the stabbing o=
f
> > > > Monica Seles by a Steffi Graf fan ...
>
> > > > Monica Seles:
>
> > > > =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> > > > =95 won 10 of the 12 events.
> > > > =95 reached the final round in 11 of the 12 events.
>
> > > > Steffi Graf:
>
> > > > =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> > > > =95 won 2 of the 12 events.
> > > > =95 reached the final round in 4 of the 12 events.
> > > > =95 lost in the semis or earlier in 8 of the 12 events.
>
> > > It is well established that Graf was in slump from 1990 when the Pete=
r
> > > Graf scandal broken out to mid 1992 when the case got resolved. Thank=
s
> > > for proving it once again.
>
> > nice try son
>
> I am not your son, motherfucker- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

raja got owned again!


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 15:38:49
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: Graf had a better winning percentage in 1986-96 than Seles in
On Feb 14, 12:13=A0am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 13 Feb, 22:56, Calimero <calimero...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 13, 10:34=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The 12 biggest events in women's tennis from the 1990 WTA Tour
> > > Championships through the 1993 Australian Open:
>
> > Wasn't that the time when Seles had a lower winning percentage than
> > Graf had in a 11-year time span (1986-96)?
>
> > Max
>
> yes - thats what Pro Graf-ites =A0like Camletoe here and hi frendos use
> against Seles i.e. after her career came to an abrupt end when she was
> stabbed..


You are talking of this minor stab wound that needed just one stitch
to close?

Max


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 15:20:01
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On Feb 13, 5:16=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 13 Feb, 23:12, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 13, 3:34=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > In these 12 major events between the end of 1990 and the stabbing of
> > > Monica Seles by a Steffi Graf fan ...
>
> > > Monica Seles:
>
> > > =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> > > =95 won 10 of the 12 events.
> > > =95 reached the final round in 11 of the 12 events.
>
> > > Steffi Graf:
>
> > > =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> > > =95 won 2 of the 12 events.
> > > =95 reached the final round in 4 of the 12 events.
> > > =95 lost in the semis or earlier in 8 of the 12 events.
>
> > It is well established that Graf was in slump from 1990 when the Peter
> > Graf scandal broken out to mid 1992 when the case got resolved. Thanks
> > for proving it once again.
>
> nice try son

I am not your son, motherfucker



 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 15:16:10
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On 13 Feb, 23:12, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 13, 3:34=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In these 12 major events between the end of 1990 and the stabbing of
> > Monica Seles by a Steffi Graf fan ...
>
> > Monica Seles:
>
> > =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> > =95 won 10 of the 12 events.
> > =95 reached the final round in 11 of the 12 events.
>
> > Steffi Graf:
>
> > =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> > =95 won 2 of the 12 events.
> > =95 reached the final round in 4 of the 12 events.
> > =95 lost in the semis or earlier in 8 of the 12 events.
>
> It is well established that Graf was in slump from 1990 when the Peter
> Graf scandal broken out to mid 1992 when the case got resolved. Thanks
> for proving it once again.

nice try son


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 15:13:22
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Graf had a better winning percentage in 1986-96 than Seles in
On 13 Feb, 22:56, Calimero <calimero...@gmx.de > wrote:
> On Feb 13, 10:34=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The 12 biggest events in women's tennis from the 1990 WTA Tour
> > Championships through the 1993 Australian Open:
>
> Wasn't that the time when Seles had a lower winning percentage than
> Graf had in a 11-year time span (1986-96)?
>
> Max

yes - thats what Pro Graf-ites like Camletoe here and hi frendos use
against Seles i.e. after her career came to an abrupt end when she was
stabbed..



 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 15:12:51
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On Feb 13, 3:34=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> In these 12 major events between the end of 1990 and the stabbing of
> Monica Seles by a Steffi Graf fan ...
>
> Monica Seles:
>
> =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> =95 won 10 of the 12 events.
> =95 reached the final round in 11 of the 12 events.
>
> Steffi Graf:
>
> =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> =95 won 2 of the 12 events.
> =95 reached the final round in 4 of the 12 events.
> =95 lost in the semis or earlier in 8 of the 12 events.
>

It is well established that Graf was in slump from 1990 when the Peter
Graf scandal broken out to mid 1992 when the case got resolved. Thanks
for proving it once again.


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 14:57:37
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On Feb 13, 10:44=A0pm, "Silence, Fedfucker!"
<thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> On Feb 13, 9:34=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The 12 biggest events in women's tennis from the 1990 WTA Tour
> > Championships through the 1993 Australian Open:
>
> > 1990 WTA Tour Championships
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Gabriela Sabatini).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to Sabatini in straight sets.)
>
> > 1991 Australian
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Jana Novotna).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to Jana Novotna).
>
> > 1991 French
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Arantxa Sanchez Vicario).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to ASV in straight sets).
>
> > 1991 Wimbledon
> > MONICA SELES DID NOT PLAY
> > STEFF GRAF WON (over Gabriela Sabatini 8-6 in the 3rd).
>
> > 1991 U.S. Open
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to Martina Navratilova).
>
> > 1991 WTA Tour Championships
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to Jana Novotna).
>
> > 1992 Australian
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Mary Joe Fernandez).
> > STEFF GRAF DID NOT PLAY.
>
> > 1992 French
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Steffi Graf).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN THE FINAL (to Monica Seles).
>
> > 1992 Wimbledon
> > MONICA SELES LOST IN THE FINAL (to Steffi Graf).
> > STEFF GRAF WON (over Monica Seles).
>
> > 1992 U.S. Open
> > MONICA SELES WON (over ASV).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to ASV in straight sets).
>
> > 1992 WTA Tour Championships
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN FIRST ROUND (to Lori McNeal).
>
> > 1993 Australian
> > MONICA SELES WON (over Steffi Graf).
> > STEFF GRAF LOST IN THE FINAL (to Monica Seles).
>
> > In these 12 major events between the end of 1990 and the stabbing of
> > Monica Seles by a Steffi Graf fan ...
>
> > Monica Seles:
>
> > =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> > =95 won 10 of the 12 events.
> > =95 reached the final round in 11 of the 12 events.
>
> > Steffi Graf:
>
> > =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> > =95 won 2 of the 12 events.
> > =95 reached the final round in 4 of the 12 events.
> > =95 lost in the semis or earlier in 8 of the 12 events.
>
> > In addition to going 2-1 vs. Graf in these 12 big women's tournaments
> > between the end of 1990 and the stabbing ... Seles also had 5 wins in
> > the final round of these big events over players who had beaten Graf
> > in either the semis or quarters of the same event (Sabatini ...
> > Novotna ... Navratilova ... and ASV twice).
>
> > , Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 just
> > as Navratilova did ... but Seles was also beating players who had also
> > beaten Graf in the semis and quarters of the big events Graf was
> > losing.
>
> > This not only shows Seles was in her head in the same way Rafa is with
> > Fed , but also like Fed a clear parallel in disappointing results the
> > very years Seles had her number , hardly a coincidence - no ?
>
> So true. The KNIFE certainly changed the course of tennis history.
>
> I fear Hazelwood is planning a similar attack on Rafa!


Nadal has a winning record over Feddy.
Seles had a losing record against Graf, though.

Max


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 14:56:32
From: Calimero
Subject: Graf had a better winning percentage in 1986-96 than Seles in
On Feb 13, 10:34=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
> The 12 biggest events in women's tennis from the 1990 WTA Tour
> Championships through the 1993 Australian Open:
>


Wasn't that the time when Seles had a lower winning percentage than
Graf had in a 11-year time span (1986-96)?

Max


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 13:44:43
From: Silence, Fedfucker!
Subject: Re: Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 (
On Feb 13, 9:34=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
> The 12 biggest events in women's tennis from the 1990 WTA Tour
> Championships through the 1993 Australian Open:
>
> 1990 WTA Tour Championships
> MONICA SELES WON (over Gabriela Sabatini).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to Sabatini in straight sets.)
>
> 1991 Australian
> MONICA SELES WON (over Jana Novotna).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to Jana Novotna).
>
> 1991 French
> MONICA SELES WON (over Arantxa Sanchez Vicario).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to ASV in straight sets).
>
> 1991 Wimbledon
> MONICA SELES DID NOT PLAY
> STEFF GRAF WON (over Gabriela Sabatini 8-6 in the 3rd).
>
> 1991 U.S. Open
> MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN SEMIS (to Martina Navratilova).
>
> 1991 WTA Tour Championships
> MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to Jana Novotna).
>
> 1992 Australian
> MONICA SELES WON (over Mary Joe Fernandez).
> STEFF GRAF DID NOT PLAY.
>
> 1992 French
> MONICA SELES WON (over Steffi Graf).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN THE FINAL (to Monica Seles).
>
> 1992 Wimbledon
> MONICA SELES LOST IN THE FINAL (to Steffi Graf).
> STEFF GRAF WON (over Monica Seles).
>
> 1992 U.S. Open
> MONICA SELES WON (over ASV).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN QUARTERS (to ASV in straight sets).
>
> 1992 WTA Tour Championships
> MONICA SELES WON (over Martina Navratilova).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN FIRST ROUND (to Lori McNeal).
>
> 1993 Australian
> MONICA SELES WON (over Steffi Graf).
> STEFF GRAF LOST IN THE FINAL (to Monica Seles).
>
> In these 12 major events between the end of 1990 and the stabbing of
> Monica Seles by a Steffi Graf fan ...
>
> Monica Seles:
>
> =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> =95 won 10 of the 12 events.
> =95 reached the final round in 11 of the 12 events.
>
> Steffi Graf:
>
> =95 entered 11 of the 12 events.
> =95 won 2 of the 12 events.
> =95 reached the final round in 4 of the 12 events.
> =95 lost in the semis or earlier in 8 of the 12 events.
>
> In addition to going 2-1 vs. Graf in these 12 big women's tournaments
> between the end of 1990 and the stabbing ... Seles also had 5 wins in
> the final round of these big events over players who had beaten Graf
> in either the semis or quarters of the same event (Sabatini ...
> Novotna ... Navratilova ... and ASV twice).
>
> , Seles had the winning edge head to head over Graf in 1990-1993 just
> as Navratilova did ... but Seles was also beating players who had also
> beaten Graf in the semis and quarters of the big events Graf was
> losing.
>
> This not only shows Seles was in her head in the same way Rafa is with
> Fed , but also like Fed a clear parallel in disappointing results the
> very years Seles had her number , hardly a coincidence - no ?

So true. The KNIFE certainly changed the course of tennis history.

I fear Hazelwood is planning a similar attack on Rafa!