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Date: 25 Jan 2009 22:25:54
From: stephenj
Subject: Serena advances to QF
the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.

normally, with only kuznetsova/dementieva types between her and a slam
trophy, i'd bet on serena. but she's playing so badly it's hard to see
it happening for her.


--
.. unless her great neighbors are prosperous
and orderly, Poland is an economic impossibility
with no industry but Jew-baiting.

- JM Keynes




 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 19:35:47
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
stephenj wrote:
> the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.

No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very unfortunate.
She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final and, most importantly,
give me four points in Hops's contest. Seriously, it's a huge disappointment
for her to have to retire in a winning position. I wish her a speedy recovery
and better luck for the rest of the year.





  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 17:33:49
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:35:47 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>stephenj wrote:
>> the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>
>No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very unfortunate.
>She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final and, most importantly,
>give me four points in Hops's contest.

This was very unfortunate but it is very good for me in Hops contest.
Serena keeps on going somehow, and Zvonareva goes on easily.



   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 14:38:05
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:35:47 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> stephenj wrote:
>>> the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>>
>> No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very
>> unfortunate. She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final
>> and, most importantly, give me four points in Hops's contest.
>
> This was very unfortunate but it is very good for me in Hops contest.
> Serena keeps on going somehow, and Zvonareva goes on easily.

You've picked a good one for the AO there. Zvonareva seemed unaffected by the
conditions today, unlike Bartoli, who only lasted about 20 minutes. She even
said she likes it "warm" in her on-court interview. I guess you had it all
worked out.





    
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:04:14
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:38:05 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>Sakari Lund wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:35:47 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> stephenj wrote:
>>>> the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>>>
>>> No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very
>>> unfortunate. She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final
>>> and, most importantly, give me four points in Hops's contest.
>>
>> This was very unfortunate but it is very good for me in Hops contest.
>> Serena keeps on going somehow, and Zvonareva goes on easily.
>
>You've picked a good one for the AO there. Zvonareva seemed unaffected by the
>conditions today, unlike Bartoli, who only lasted about 20 minutes. She even
>said she likes it "warm" in her on-court interview. I guess you had it all
>worked out.

I was totally confused about who to pick for women. Serena is always a
good choice at AO, especially if nobody is playing well. For the other
half, I thought who has played well late last year, and came up with
Zvonareva. My other choice would have been Safina, so it has worked
perfectly so far. We'll see how the SF goes. I am pretty confident
about Zvonareva. Not so confident about Serena.



  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 09:10:52
From:
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
In article <gljsjg$23pt$1@adenine.netfront.net >, no@email.provided
(DavidW) wrote:

>
> stephenj wrote:
> > the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>
> No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very
> unfortunate.
> She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final and, most
> importantly,
> give me four points in Hops's contest. Seriously, it's a huge
> disappointment
> for her to have to retire in a winning position. I wish her a
> speedy recovery
> and better luck for the rest of the year.
>
>
>

What does it say about the state of SW's game that she was being outplayed
by a *sick* opponent?

wg


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 15:52:35
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:10:52 -0600, wendyg wrote:

> What does it say about the state of SW's game that she was being outplayed
> by a *sick* opponent?

It means she-- Serena-- had better get her game-level up for this tourney
fast, and definitely before the next time she meets Azarenka.

I was highly impressed by young Viktoria in the first set.

I was not by Serena.

If Azarenka hadn't been ill, Serena would be gone.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 06:28:34
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <gljsjg$23pt$1@adenine.netfront.net>, no@email.provided
> (DavidW) wrote:
>
>> stephenj wrote:
>>> the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>> No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very
>> unfortunate.
>> She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final and, most
>> importantly,
>> give me four points in Hops's contest. Seriously, it's a huge
>> disappointment
>> for her to have to retire in a winning position. I wish her a
>> speedy recovery
>> and better luck for the rest of the year.
>>
>>
>>
>
> What does it say about the state of SW's game that she was being outplayed
> by a *sick* opponent?
>
> wg


She's played crap all yr but somehow keeps winning. Dementieva should
beat her, but then again it is Dementieva so can never have any confidence.



   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 09:16:48
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
On Jan 26, 9:59=A0am, Steve Jaros <sjar...@cox.net > wrote:
> On Jan 26, 9:10=A0am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <gljsjg$23p...@adenine.netfront.net>, n...@email.provided
>
> > (DavidW) wrote:
>
> > > stephenj wrote:
> > > > the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>
> > > No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very
> > > unfortunate.
> > > She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final and, most
> > > importantly,
> > > give me four points in Hops's contest. Seriously, it's a huge
> > > disappointment
> > > for her to have to retire in a winning position. I wish her a
> > > speedy recovery
> > > and better luck for the rest of the year.
>
> > What does it say about the state of SW's game that she was being outpla=
yed
> > by a *sick* opponent?
>
> serena's form has been awful so far. it's really quite amazing that
> she has advanced to the QFs.
>
> even with the belorussian visibly wobbly in the second set, serena
> STILL wasn't able to take full command. her first serve is off, her
> second serve is pathetic, her movement is sluggish, her consistency is
> down ...there really isn't anything that serena is doing well right
> now.- Hide quoted text -
>
All lame excuses, you sound like Serena herself. You show up at a
slam, then put your best effort.


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 07:59:01
From: Steve Jaros
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
On Jan 26, 9:10=A0am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <gljsjg$23p...@adenine.netfront.net>, n...@email.provided
>
>
>
> (DavidW) wrote:
>
> > stephenj wrote:
> > > the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>
> > No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very
> > unfortunate.
> > She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final and, most
> > importantly,
> > give me four points in Hops's contest. Seriously, it's a huge
> > disappointment
> > for her to have to retire in a winning position. I wish her a
> > speedy recovery
> > and better luck for the rest of the year.
>
> What does it say about the state of SW's game that she was being outplaye=
d
> by a *sick* opponent?

serena's form has been awful so far. it's really quite amazing that
she has advanced to the QFs.

even with the belorussian visibly wobbly in the second set, serena
STILL wasn't able to take full command. her first serve is off, her
second serve is pathetic, her movement is sluggish, her consistency is
down ...there really isn't anything that serena is doing well right
now.



   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 07:52:39
From: PeteWasLucky
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
On Jan 26, 10:42=A0am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com >
wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:30:18 -0800 (PST), PeteWasLucky
>
>
>
>
>
> <Waleed.Kh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 26, 10:10=A0am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >> In article <gljsjg$23p...@adenine.netfront.net>, n...@email.provided
>
> >> (DavidW) wrote:
>
> >> > stephenj wrote:
> >> > > the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>
> >> > No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very
> >> > unfortunate.
> >> > She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final and, most
> >> > importantly,
> >> > give me four points in Hops's contest. Seriously, it's a huge
> >> > disappointment
> >> > for her to have to retire in a winning position. I wish her a
> >> > speedy recovery
> >> > and better luck for the rest of the year.
>
> >> What does it say about the state of SW's game that she was being outpl=
ayed
> >> by a *sick* opponent?
>
> >> wg- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >C'mon! =A0Serena won the match, sick or not, she stayed and put a fight
> >that forced her opponent to retire.
> >If Serena didn't fight hard the 2nd set to save her game and break her
> >opponent, she wouldn't have retired.
> >I'm not a fan of Serena but I became a fan recently of her strong will
> >watching her winning slams even when she is not playing well.
>
> Perhaps we can reach a compromise opinion ?
>
> It was a "sick" win ? No ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Could be, but I knew her opponent will collapse later playing the way
she did. Her only chance was to win in two sets.



    
Date: 27 Jan 2009 08:45:42
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
PeteWasLucky wrote:
> On Jan 26, 10:42 am, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com>
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:30:18 -0800 (PST), PeteWasLucky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <Waleed.Kh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 26, 10:10 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>> In article <gljsjg$23p...@adenine.netfront.net>,
>>>> n...@email.provided
>>
>>>> (DavidW) wrote:
>>
>>>>> stephenj wrote:
>>>>>> the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>>
>>>>> No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very
>>>>> unfortunate.
>>>>> She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final and, most
>>>>> importantly,
>>>>> give me four points in Hops's contest. Seriously, it's a huge
>>>>> disappointment
>>>>> for her to have to retire in a winning position. I wish her a
>>>>> speedy recovery
>>>>> and better luck for the rest of the year.
>>
>>>> What does it say about the state of SW's game that she was being
>>>> outplayed by a *sick* opponent?
>>
>>>> wg- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> C'mon! Serena won the match, sick or not, she stayed and put a fight
>>> that forced her opponent to retire.
>>> If Serena didn't fight hard the 2nd set to save her game and break
>>> her opponent, she wouldn't have retired.
>>> I'm not a fan of Serena but I became a fan recently of her strong
>>> will watching her winning slams even when she is not playing well.
>>
>> Perhaps we can reach a compromise opinion ?
>>
>> It was a "sick" win ? No ?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Could be, but I knew her opponent will collapse later playing the way
> she did. Her only chance was to win in two sets.

That's ridiculous. What did the way she played have to do with it? She played
her normal game and she doesn't have a habit of retiring in other matches.





   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 07:30:18
From: PeteWasLucky
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
On Jan 26, 10:10=A0am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <gljsjg$23p...@adenine.netfront.net>, n...@email.provided
>
>
>
>
>
> (DavidW) wrote:
>
> > stephenj wrote:
> > > the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>
> > No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very
> > unfortunate.
> > She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final and, most
> > importantly,
> > give me four points in Hops's contest. Seriously, it's a huge
> > disappointment
> > for her to have to retire in a winning position. I wish her a
> > speedy recovery
> > and better luck for the rest of the year.
>
> What does it say about the state of SW's game that she was being outplaye=
d
> by a *sick* opponent?
>
> wg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

C'mon! Serena won the match, sick or not, she stayed and put a fight
that forced her opponent to retire.
If Serena didn't fight hard the 2nd set to save her game and break her
opponent, she wouldn't have retired.
I'm not a fan of Serena but I became a fan recently of her strong will
watching her winning slams even when she is not playing well.


    
Date: 26 Jan 2009 15:42:21
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:30:18 -0800 (PST), PeteWasLucky
<Waleed.Khedr@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 26, 10:10 am, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>> In article <gljsjg$23p...@adenine.netfront.net>, n...@email.provided
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (DavidW) wrote:
>>
>> > stephenj wrote:
>> > > the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>>
>> > No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very
>> > unfortunate.
>> > She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final and, most
>> > importantly,
>> > give me four points in Hops's contest. Seriously, it's a huge
>> > disappointment
>> > for her to have to retire in a winning position. I wish her a
>> > speedy recovery
>> > and better luck for the rest of the year.
>>
>> What does it say about the state of SW's game that she was being outplayed
>> by a *sick* opponent?
>>
>> wg- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>C'mon! Serena won the match, sick or not, she stayed and put a fight
>that forced her opponent to retire.
>If Serena didn't fight hard the 2nd set to save her game and break her
>opponent, she wouldn't have retired.
>I'm not a fan of Serena but I became a fan recently of her strong will
>watching her winning slams even when she is not playing well.


Perhaps we can reach a compromise opinion ?

It was a "sick" win ? No ?


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 20:44:00
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
DavidW wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>> the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>
> No, she said she got up vomiting that morning. She was sick. Very
> unfortunate. She was going to put Serena out and go on to the final
> and, most importantly, give me four points in Hops's contest.
> Seriously, it's a huge disappointment for her to have to retire in a
> winning position. I wish her a speedy recovery and better luck for
> the rest of the year.

She handled it well. Good attitude.

Q. What happened?

VICTORIA AZARENKA: I started really feeling sick in the morning already. I woke
up at 6 a.m. and I was throwing up all the morning and just felt weak.

Once I got to the court, I went to see the doctor, I felt a little bit better.
Throughout the first set, a little bit of the second, then I just had no more
energy to go.

Q. The flu?

VICTORIA AZARENKA: I don't know. They kind of said it's kind of a virus because
I had a fever pretty high.

We don't really know what is that.

Q. With a virus, you were playing good tennis in the first set.

VICTORIA AZARENKA: Yeah, definitely. I mean, that's very disappointing for me
that I played that well and I couldn't handle a little bit more 'cause, I mean,
it was really close games. Could have been up 2-0 in the second. Never know,
maybe I would still keep going with the same energy.

But, I mean, whatever happens, happens. Just have to accept that.

Q. Did you feel close to fainting?

VICTORIA AZARENKA: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I just kept going. I was trying to keep
going as much as possible. But there is nothing you can do. The last step with
me, I would fall over.

Q. Must be encouraged by your performance in the tournament thus far, despite
all that.

VICTORIA AZARENKA: I mean, I've been playing good tennis. I'm really happy with
the way I played, the way I moved, the way I handled myself on the court. I
mean, there is still a lot of opportunities for me to go. I just have to accept
that, and sometimes there's not much you can prevent that, but hopefully I will
next time.

Q. Did the doctor advise food or something to drink to see you through that
match?

VICTORIA AZARENKA: Well, before the match, I mean, I couldn't eat anything
pretty much. I pushed myself and I had a little lunch. So, I mean, there is not
much you can do. Just drink and try to get some food for me.

Q. In the second set you won the first game, and the second game you had four
game points for a 2-Love lead. Do you suppose if you would have converted one
of those four points you would have wanted to stick around?

VICTORIA AZARENKA: Yeah, maybe. That's what I said. If I would be 2-0 up,
there's always a better motivation and everything. I could hang in there. But
it was really tough for me. I mean, there's not much I could do about it.

Q. Was the heat a factor? You went into the shade between every point.

VICTORIA AZARENKA: Yeah, I tried to do that. Tried to help as much as possible
to feel better.

But, I mean, it didn't help me much.

Q. Has this happened to you ever before?

VICTORIA AZARENKA: No.

Q. How do you feel now?

VICTORIA AZARENKA: Well, I still feel pretty bad. But I'm getting better.

Q. When you left the court for the injury timeout, did they try to give you
some medications?

VICTORIA AZARENKA: Yeah, the doctors didn't want me to keep going, but I wanted
to keep trying and see how I do. But it was probably not a very good idea
because it just gave me even more trouble after.

Q. What happened when you came off the court? I heard you were placed on a
drip.

VICTORIA AZARENKA: A what?

Q. What happened when you came off the court? I heard you were on a drip at one
stage.

THE MODERATOR: Something like an intravenous in your arm to give you hydration.

VICTORIA AZARENKA: No, I didn't have anything like that.

Q. Do you think the rules should be changed for this kind of situation,
especially this late in a match, if it's not your fault, to give you more time
to recover?

VICTORIA AZARENKA: Well, I don't know if there can be any rule because of that.
I mean, somebody can just fake it. I don't think there should be a new rule of
that. It's whatever happens, whatever happens. You just have to live with that
and keep going.





 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 22:42:25
From: jingus
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
stephenj wrote:
> the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>

there have been several retirements in matches today: la monf,
azarenka and zheng.


  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 22:44:43
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
> jingus wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>> the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>>
>
> there have been several retirements in matches today: la monf,
> azarenka and zheng.

yes, and they say it's not particularly hot.



--
"I admit that there are good white men,
but they bear no proportion to the bad.
The bad must be strongest, for they rule.
They enslave those not of their color.
There is no faith to be placed in their words."

- Chief Pachgantschilias


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 17:29:53
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:44:43 -0600, stephenj <sjex@cox.com > wrote:

> > jingus wrote:
>> stephenj wrote:
>>> the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>>>
>>
>> there have been several retirements in matches today: la monf,
>> azarenka and zheng.
>
>yes, and they say it's not particularly hot.

Monfils and Zheng wrist injuries, Azarenka was sick in the morning.




   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 08:21:44
From: Claude
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF

"stephenj" <sjex@cox.com > wrote in message
news:7dbfl.22067$B01.19545@newsfe13.iad...
> > jingus wrote:
>
> yes, and they say it's not particularly hot.
>

It's not. Max C24 today. Beautiful weather.




    
Date: 26 Jan 2009 19:48:41
From: Edward McArdle
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
In article <soefl.14592$cu.11931@news-server.bigpond.net.au >, "Claude"
<Claude@invalid.com > wrote:

>"stephenj" <sjex@cox.com> wrote in message
>news:7dbfl.22067$B01.19545@newsfe13.iad...
>> > jingus wrote:
>>
>> yes, and they say it's not particularly hot.
>>
>
>It's not. Max C24 today. Beautiful weather.

Two were from injuries. Monfils and Zheng hurt themselves.

--
Edward McArdle


 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 20:40:48
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
On Jan 25, 10:25=A0pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com > wrote:
> the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>
> normally, with only kuznetsova/dementieva types between her and a slam
> trophy, i'd bet on serena. but she's playing so badly it's hard to see
> it happening for her.
>
> --
> .. unless her great neighbors are prosperous
> and orderly, Poland is an economic impossibility
> with no industry but Jew-baiting.
>
> - JM Keynes

She got lucky. She would have definitely lost this one, if Victoria
didnt get sick.



  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 23:42:42
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Serena advances to QF
Why does she get sick?

"Raja" <zepfloyes@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:8366af65-c052-4445-9c87-a7529a44fd57@g38g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 25, 10:25 pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com > wrote:
> the skinny belorussian wilted in the heat, or something.
>
> normally, with only kuznetsova/dementieva types between her and a slam
> trophy, i'd bet on serena. but she's playing so badly it's hard to see
> it happening for her.
>
> --
> .. unless her great neighbors are prosperous
> and orderly, Poland is an economic impossibility
> with no industry but Jew-baiting.
>
> - JM Keynes

She got lucky. She would have definitely lost this one, if Victoria
didnt get sick.