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Date: 11 Feb 2009 18:52:53
From:
Subject: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams

Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?

Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
when Venus was just coming up the ranks.





 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 12:40:40
From:
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Feb 12, 11:54=A0am, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay > wrote:
> <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2a4b74a5-f328-4c8c-8d17-613243a80be0@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 12, 1:33 am, "Adb" <ad.b...@orange.fr> wrote:
>
> > <zepflo...@yahoo.com> a =E9crit dans le message
> > denews:65874735-afa1-4e67-a939-40d894bbefc6@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.co=
m...
>
> > > 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
> > > 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>
> > > Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>
> > > Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
> > > when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>
> > No.
> > Serena lost to JH in FO final
>
> And that final was held in some other universe? How about doing
> research before looking like a bloody fool.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Open_champions_(Women's_Singles)
> 2000 Mary Pierce Conchita Mart=EDnez 6-2, 7-5
> 2001 Jennifer Capriati Kim Clijsters 1-6, 6-4, 12-10
> 2002 Serena Williams Venus Williams 7-5, 6-3
> 2003 Justine Henin Kim Clijsters 6-0, 6-4
> 2004 Anastasia Myskina Elena Dementieva 6-1, 6-2
> 2005 Justine Henin Mary Pierce 6-1, 6-1
> 2006 Justine Henin Svetlana Kuznetsova 6-4, 6-4
> 2007 Justine Henin Ana Ivanovic 6-1, 6-2
> 2008 Ana Ivanovic Dinara Safina 6-4, 6-3
>
> Henin always feasted on chokers in finals. Look at the 4 lousy
> opponents for her FOs. And Whispo claims she is the best.
> *****
>
> she was the best, by far, my only issues with her are :
> 1) that Aus Open final she retired from, that was a disgrace, all the poo=
r
> fans that turned up to see it.
> 2) she didn't win Wimbledon which was almost unforgivable in 2007, she
> should've won every slam that year.

You are overrating her as usual, Whisper. She wasnt as dominant (as
Steffi) to do a Calendar Grand Slam.


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 05:38:55
From:
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Feb 11, 9:52=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 2004 =A0 =A0Wimbledon =A0 =A0 =A0 Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
> 1997 =A0 =A0U.S. Open =A0 =A0 =A0 Martina Hingis =A0Venus Williams
>
> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>


Steroids?


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 03:24:25
From:
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Feb 12, 1:33=C2=A0am, "Adb" <ad.b...@orange.fr > wrote:
> <zepflo...@yahoo.com> a =C3=A9crit dans le message denews:65874735-afa1-4=
e67-a939-40d894bbefc6@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> > 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
> > 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>
> > Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>
> > Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
> > when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>
> No.
> Serena lost to JH in FO final

And that final was held in some other universe? How about doing
research before looking like a bloody fool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Open_champions_(Women's_Singles)
2000 Mary Pierce Conchita Mart=C3=ADnez 6-2, 7-5
2001 Jennifer Capriati Kim Clijsters 1-6, 6-4, 12-10
2002 Serena Williams Venus Williams 7-5, 6-3
2003 Justine Henin Kim Clijsters 6-0, 6-4
2004 Anastasia Myskina Elena Dementieva 6-1, 6-2
2005 Justine Henin Mary Pierce 6-1, 6-1
2006 Justine Henin Svetlana Kuznetsova 6-4, 6-4
2007 Justine Henin Ana Ivanovi=C4=87 6-1, 6-2
2008 Ana Ivanovi=C4=87 Dinara Safina 6-4, 6-3

Henin always feasted on chokers in finals. Look at the 4 lousy
opponents for her FOs. And Whispo claims she is the best.

>
> But still amazing btw...
> These girls are fighters



  
Date: 12 Feb 2009 17:54:56
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
<zepfloyes@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:2a4b74a5-f328-4c8c-8d17-613243a80be0@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 12, 1:33 am, "Adb" <ad.b...@orange.fr > wrote:
> <zepflo...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message
> denews:65874735-afa1-4e67-a939-40d894bbefc6@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> > 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
> > 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>
> > Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>
> > Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
> > when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>
> No.
> Serena lost to JH in FO final

And that final was held in some other universe? How about doing
research before looking like a bloody fool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Open_champions_(Women's_Singles)
2000 Mary Pierce Conchita Martínez 6-2, 7-5
2001 Jennifer Capriati Kim Clijsters 1-6, 6-4, 12-10
2002 Serena Williams Venus Williams 7-5, 6-3
2003 Justine Henin Kim Clijsters 6-0, 6-4
2004 Anastasia Myskina Elena Dementieva 6-1, 6-2
2005 Justine Henin Mary Pierce 6-1, 6-1
2006 Justine Henin Svetlana Kuznetsova 6-4, 6-4
2007 Justine Henin Ana Ivanovic 6-1, 6-2
2008 Ana Ivanovic Dinara Safina 6-4, 6-3

Henin always feasted on chokers in finals. Look at the 4 lousy
opponents for her FOs. And Whispo claims she is the best.
*****

she was the best, by far, my only issues with her are :
1) that Aus Open final she retired from, that was a disgrace, all the poor
fans that turned up to see it.
2) she didn't win Wimbledon which was almost unforgivable in 2007, she
should've won every slam that year.




  
Date: 12 Feb 2009 13:55:30
From: Tio Pedro
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals

<zepfloyes@yahoo.com > schreef in bericht
news:2a4b74a5-f328-4c8c-8d17-613243a80be0@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 12, 1:33Â am, "Adb" <ad.b...@orange.fr > wrote:
> <zepflo...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message
> denews:65874735-afa1-4e67-a939-40d894bbefc6@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> > 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
> > 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>
> > Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>
> > Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
> > when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>
> No.
> Serena lost to JH in FO final

And that final was held in some other universe? How about doing
research before looking like a bloody fool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Open_champions_(Women's_Singles)
2000 Mary Pierce Conchita Martínez 6-2, 7-5
2001 Jennifer Capriati Kim Clijsters 1-6, 6-4, 12-10
2002 Serena Williams Venus Williams 7-5, 6-3
2003 Justine Henin Kim Clijsters 6-0, 6-4
2004 Anastasia Myskina Elena Dementieva 6-1, 6-2
2005 Justine Henin Mary Pierce 6-1, 6-1
2006 Justine Henin Svetlana Kuznetsova 6-4, 6-4
2007 Justine Henin Ana Ivanović 6-1, 6-2
2008 Ana Ivanović Dinara Safina 6-4, 6-3

Henin always feasted on chokers in finals. Look at the 4 lousy
opponents for her FOs. And Whispo claims she is the best.

Whispo is right JH was the best Tennisplayer on the WTA, JH leads 4 - 2 in
slam matches, anyway I believe
Sistah S is the stongest now but she should be banned of the WTA and listed
in other associations as FGTA (Female Gorilla Tennis Association) or the and
the WBCTA (Water Buffalo Cow Tennis Association) :D (rofl)

--
Tío Pedro
www.womentennis.be



  
Date: 12 Feb 2009 12:52:31
From: Adb
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals

<zepfloyes@yahoo.com > a écrit dans le message de
news:2a4b74a5-f328-4c8c-8d17-613243a80be0@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 12, 1:33 am, "Adb" <ad.b...@orange.fr > wrote:
> <zepflo...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message
> denews:65874735-afa1-4e67-a939-40d894bbefc6@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> > 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
> > 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>
> > Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>
> > Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
> > when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>
> No.
> Serena lost to JH in FO final

And that final was held in some other universe? How about doing
research before looking like a bloody fool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Open_champions_(Women's_Singles)
2000 Mary Pierce Conchita Martínez 6-2, 7-5
2001 Jennifer Capriati Kim Clijsters 1-6, 6-4, 12-10
2002 Serena Williams Venus Williams 7-5, 6-3
2003 Justine Henin Kim Clijsters 6-0, 6-4
2004 Anastasia Myskina Elena Dementieva 6-1, 6-2
2005 Justine Henin Mary Pierce 6-1, 6-1
2006 Justine Henin Svetlana Kuznetsova 6-4, 6-4
2007 Justine Henin Ana Ivanović 6-1, 6-2
2008 Ana Ivanović Dinara Safina 6-4, 6-3

Henin always feasted on chokers in finals. Look at the 4 lousy
opponents for her FOs. And Whispo claims she is the best.

>
> But still amazing btw...
> These girls are fighters


Oups,sorry,was the SF (2003)...



 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 03:23:52
From:
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Feb 12, 1:33=C2=A0am, "Adb" <ad.b...@orange.fr > wrote:
> <zepflo...@yahoo.com> a =C3=A9crit dans le message denews:65874735-afa1-4=
e67-a939-40d894bbefc6@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> > 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
> > 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>
> > Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>
> > Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
> > when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>
> No.
> Serena lost to JH in FO final

And that final was held in some other universe? How about doing
research before looking like a bloody fool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Open_champions_(Women's_Singles)
2000 Mary Pierce Conchita Mart=C3=ADnez 6-2, 7-5
2001 Jennifer Capriati Kim Clijsters 1-6, 6-4, 12-10
2002 Serena Williams Venus Williams 7-5, 6-3
2003 Justine Henin Kim Clijsters 6-0, 6-4
2004 Anastasia Myskina Elena Dementieva 6-1, 6-2
2005 Justine Henin Mary Pierce 6-1, 6-1
2006 Justine Henin Svetlana Kuznetsova 6-4, 6-4
2007 Justine Henin Ana Ivanovi=C4=87 6-1, 6-2
2008 Ana Ivanovi=C4=87 Dinara Safina 6-4, 6-3

Henin always feasted on chokers in finals. Look at the 4 lousy
opponents for her FOs. And Whispo claims she is the best.

>
> But still amazing btw...
> These girls are fighters



 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 08:33:32
From: Adb
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals

<zepfloyes@yahoo.com > a écrit dans le message de
news:65874735-afa1-4e67-a939-40d894bbefc6@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
> 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>
> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>
> Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
> when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>

No.
Serena lost to JH in FO final

But still amazing btw...
These girls are fighters



 
Date: 11 Feb 2009 20:51:17
From:
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Feb 11, 10:38=A0pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:29:40 +1100, DavidW wrote:
> > zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >> 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
> >> 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>
> >> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>
> >> Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
> >> when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>
> > Well, there had to be some angle for you in posting that bit of trivia.
>
> It was the _way_ that Maria did it that was really astonishing:
>
> We're used to her and it by now.
>
> But that was an absolutely stunning display of the women's all-out
> low-percentage power-game at the time. =A0Jaw-dropping stuff.
>
> From a seventeen-year-old.
>
> I mean, Serena-- _Serena_-- was _whipped_.

That is a big deal. No one has ever whooped her ass in the slam final
like that.

>
> I don't remember anything remotely as stunning before or since until
> Lindsay double-bageled Maria (another jaw-dropping display).

That was not a slam but it was an incredible match by Lindsay.

>
> Although on a slightly less lofty level Bartoli's knocking Jankovic off a=
t
> this last AO was pretty good, and we were a dizzy-spell away from what
> would've been an even more startling knock-out of Serena.
>
> People who consider women's tennis boring are idiots.

And they arent watching it either.

>
> --
>
> Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



 
Date: 11 Feb 2009 19:36:50
From:
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Feb 11, 9:29=A0pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
> > 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>
> > Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>
> > Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
> > when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>
> Well, there had to be some angle for you in posting that bit of trivia.

there is always an angle. did you learn this only now?


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 14:29:40
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
> 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
> 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>
> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>
> Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
> when Venus was just coming up the ranks.

Well, there had to be some angle for you in posting that bit of trivia.




  
Date: 12 Feb 2009 15:46:42
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:29:40 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
>> 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
>> 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>>
>> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>>
>> Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
>> when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>
>Well, there had to be some angle for you in posting that bit of trivia.

But it is a good point.



  
Date: 11 Feb 2009 23:38:49
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:29:40 +1100, DavidW wrote:

> zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
>> 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>>
>> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>>
>> Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
>> when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>
> Well, there had to be some angle for you in posting that bit of trivia.

It was the _way_ that Maria did it that was really astonishing:

We're used to her and it by now.

But that was an absolutely stunning display of the women's all-out
low-percentage power-game at the time. Jaw-dropping stuff.

From a seventeen-year-old.

I mean, Serena-- _Serena_-- was _whipped_.

I don't remember anything remotely as stunning before or since until
Lindsay double-bageled Maria (another jaw-dropping display).

Although on a slightly less lofty level Bartoli's knocking Jankovic off at
this last AO was pretty good, and we were a dizzy-spell away from what
would've been an even more startling knock-out of Serena.

People who consider women's tennis boring are idiots.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



   
Date: 12 Feb 2009 15:47:34
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:38:49 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com >
wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:29:40 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
>> zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
>>> 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>>>
>>> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>>>
>>> Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
>>> when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>>
>> Well, there had to be some angle for you in posting that bit of trivia.
>
>It was the _way_ that Maria did it that was really astonishing:
>
>We're used to her and it by now.
>
>But that was an absolutely stunning display of the women's all-out
>low-percentage power-game at the time. Jaw-dropping stuff.
>
>From a seventeen-year-old.
>
>I mean, Serena-- _Serena_-- was _whipped_.
>
>I don't remember anything remotely as stunning before or since until
>Lindsay double-bageled Maria (another jaw-dropping display).
>
>Although on a slightly less lofty level Bartoli's knocking Jankovic off at
>this last AO was pretty good, and we were a dizzy-spell away from what
>would've been an even more startling knock-out of Serena.
>
>People who consider women's tennis boring are idiots.

What has Bartoli's win over Jankovic got to do with anything?



    
Date: 12 Feb 2009 10:27:57
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:47:34 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:38:49 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:29:40 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>
>>> zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
>>>> 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>>>>
>>>> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>>>>
>>>> Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
>>>> when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>>>
>>> Well, there had to be some angle for you in posting that bit of trivia.
>>
>> It was the _way_ that Maria did it that was really astonishing:
>>
>> We're used to her and it by now.
>>
>> But that was an absolutely stunning display of the women's all-out
>> low-percentage power-game at the time. Jaw-dropping stuff.
>>
>> From a seventeen-year-old.
>>
>> I mean, Serena-- _Serena_-- was _whipped_.
>>
>> I don't remember anything remotely as stunning before or since until
>> Lindsay double-bageled Maria (another jaw-dropping display).
>>
>> Although on a slightly less lofty level Bartoli's knocking Jankovic off
>> at this last AO was pretty good, and we were a dizzy-spell away from
>> what would've been an even more startling knock-out of Serena.
>>
>> People who consider women's tennis boring are idiots.
>
> What has Bartoli's win over Jankovic got to do with anything?

The explosive style and unexpectedness of it-- I was calling her "Ball-Gun
Bartoli" right after, if you'll remember, assuming you read my
highly-appreciative post on the blitzkrieg . . . .

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



     
Date: 12 Feb 2009 17:36:36
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:27:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com >
wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:47:34 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:38:49 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:29:40 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>>
>>>> zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
>>>>> 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>>>>>
>>>>> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
>>>>> when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>>>>
>>>> Well, there had to be some angle for you in posting that bit of trivia.
>>>
>>> It was the _way_ that Maria did it that was really astonishing:
>>>
>>> We're used to her and it by now.
>>>
>>> But that was an absolutely stunning display of the women's all-out
>>> low-percentage power-game at the time. Jaw-dropping stuff.
>>>
>>> From a seventeen-year-old.
>>>
>>> I mean, Serena-- _Serena_-- was _whipped_.
>>>
>>> I don't remember anything remotely as stunning before or since until
>>> Lindsay double-bageled Maria (another jaw-dropping display).
>>>
>>> Although on a slightly less lofty level Bartoli's knocking Jankovic off
>>> at this last AO was pretty good, and we were a dizzy-spell away from
>>> what would've been an even more startling knock-out of Serena.
>>>
>>> People who consider women's tennis boring are idiots.
>>
>> What has Bartoli's win over Jankovic got to do with anything?
>
>The explosive style and unexpectedness of it-- I was calling her "Ball-Gun
>Bartoli" right after, if you'll remember, assuming you read my
>highly-appreciative post on the blitzkrieg . . . .

Jankovic losing in this AO almost anyone wouldn't have been a
surprise. Note that Zvonareva beat Bartoli in the next round 6-3, 6-0.



      
Date: 12 Feb 2009 12:26:43
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:36:36 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:27:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:47:34 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:38:49 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:29:40 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
>>>>>> 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
>>>>>> when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, there had to be some angle for you in posting that bit of trivia.
>>>>
>>>> It was the _way_ that Maria did it that was really astonishing:
>>>>
>>>> We're used to her and it by now.
>>>>
>>>> But that was an absolutely stunning display of the women's all-out
>>>> low-percentage power-game at the time. Jaw-dropping stuff.
>>>>
>>>> From a seventeen-year-old.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, Serena-- _Serena_-- was _whipped_.
>>>>
>>>> I don't remember anything remotely as stunning before or since until
>>>> Lindsay double-bageled Maria (another jaw-dropping display).
>>>>
>>>> Although on a slightly less lofty level Bartoli's knocking Jankovic off
>>>> at this last AO was pretty good, and we were a dizzy-spell away from
>>>> what would've been an even more startling knock-out of Serena.
>>>>
>>>> People who consider women's tennis boring are idiots.
>>>
>>> What has Bartoli's win over Jankovic got to do with anything?
>>
>> The explosive style and unexpectedness of it-- I was calling her
>> "Ball-Gun Bartoli" right after, if you'll remember, assuming you read
>> my highly-appreciative post on the blitzkrieg . . . .
>
> Jankovic losing in this AO almost anyone wouldn't have been a surprise.
> Note that Zvonareva beat Bartoli in the next round 6-3, 6-0.

Did you _watch_ the two matches? Bartoli of Bartoli-Zvonereva was a shadow
of Bartoli of Bartoli-Jankovic (I think she may've learned a little lesson
about tournament-pacing there).

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.




       
Date: 12 Feb 2009 21:22:04
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:26:43 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com >
wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:36:36 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:27:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:47:34 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:38:49 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:29:40 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
>>>>>>> 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
>>>>>>> when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, there had to be some angle for you in posting that bit of trivia.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was the _way_ that Maria did it that was really astonishing:
>>>>>
>>>>> We're used to her and it by now.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that was an absolutely stunning display of the women's all-out
>>>>> low-percentage power-game at the time. Jaw-dropping stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> From a seventeen-year-old.
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, Serena-- _Serena_-- was _whipped_.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't remember anything remotely as stunning before or since until
>>>>> Lindsay double-bageled Maria (another jaw-dropping display).
>>>>>
>>>>> Although on a slightly less lofty level Bartoli's knocking Jankovic off
>>>>> at this last AO was pretty good, and we were a dizzy-spell away from
>>>>> what would've been an even more startling knock-out of Serena.
>>>>>
>>>>> People who consider women's tennis boring are idiots.
>>>>
>>>> What has Bartoli's win over Jankovic got to do with anything?
>>>
>>> The explosive style and unexpectedness of it-- I was calling her
>>> "Ball-Gun Bartoli" right after, if you'll remember, assuming you read
>>> my highly-appreciative post on the blitzkrieg . . . .
>>
>> Jankovic losing in this AO almost anyone wouldn't have been a surprise.
>> Note that Zvonareva beat Bartoli in the next round 6-3, 6-0.
>
>Did you _watch_ the two matches? Bartoli of Bartoli-Zvonereva was a shadow
>of Bartoli of Bartoli-Jankovic (I think she may've learned a little lesson
>about tournament-pacing there).

No, I didn't see either match. But I read Bartoli's comments after
Zvonareva match and she said "I played well, sometimes you just have
to admit your opponent is better, if she plays like that she can
certainly win the tournament". I saw Jankovic against Flipkens, and
she played really badly. At least for me it was clear Jankovic would
not do well in the tournament. So I can't in any way compare Bartoli -
Jankovic to 17-year old Sharapova beating Serena in a Wimbledon final.

And I don't like the Jaros-like intentional misspelling of names. (At
this point it must be intentional).







        
Date: 13 Feb 2009 08:12:52
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:26:43 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:36:36 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:27:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:47:34 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:38:49 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:29:40 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
>>>>>>>> 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis'
>>>>>>>> victory was when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, there had to be some angle for you in posting that bit of
>>>>>>> trivia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was the _way_ that Maria did it that was really astonishing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're used to her and it by now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that was an absolutely stunning display of the women's
>>>>>> all-out low-percentage power-game at the time. Jaw-dropping
>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From a seventeen-year-old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean, Serena-- _Serena_-- was _whipped_.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't remember anything remotely as stunning before or since
>>>>>> until Lindsay double-bageled Maria (another jaw-dropping
>>>>>> display).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although on a slightly less lofty level Bartoli's knocking
>>>>>> Jankovic off at this last AO was pretty good, and we were a
>>>>>> dizzy-spell away from what would've been an even more startling
>>>>>> knock-out of Serena.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People who consider women's tennis boring are idiots.
>>>>>
>>>>> What has Bartoli's win over Jankovic got to do with anything?
>>>>
>>>> The explosive style and unexpectedness of it-- I was calling her
>>>> "Ball-Gun Bartoli" right after, if you'll remember, assuming you
>>>> read my highly-appreciative post on the blitzkrieg . . . .
>>>
>>> Jankovic losing in this AO almost anyone wouldn't have been a
>>> surprise. Note that Zvonareva beat Bartoli in the next round 6-3,
>>> 6-0.
>>
>> Did you _watch_ the two matches? Bartoli of Bartoli-Zvonereva was a
>> shadow of Bartoli of Bartoli-Jankovic (I think she may've learned a
>> little lesson about tournament-pacing there).
>
> No, I didn't see either match. But I read Bartoli's comments after
> Zvonareva match and she said "I played well, sometimes you just have
> to admit your opponent is better, if she plays like that she can
> certainly win the tournament". I saw Jankovic against Flipkens, and
> she played really badly. At least for me it was clear Jankovic would
> not do well in the tournament. So I can't in any way compare Bartoli -
> Jankovic to 17-year old Sharapova beating Serena in a Wimbledon final.
>
> And I don't like the Jaros-like intentional misspelling of names. (At
> this point it must be intentional).

I saw both matches. Against JJ she was on fire, hitting flat winners all match.
Against Zvonereva she appeared to be significantly affected by the heat almost
from the beginning, though I'm not saying she would have been played as she did
against JJ without that.




         
Date: 12 Feb 2009 23:22:51
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:12:52 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>I saw both matches. Against JJ she was on fire, hitting flat winners all match.
>Against Zvonereva

Damn, you are all doing this on purpose...




          
Date: 13 Feb 2009 09:08:19
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
Sakari Lund wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:12:52 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> I saw both matches. Against JJ she was on fire, hitting flat winners
>> all match. Against Zvonereva
>
> Damn, you are all doing this on purpose...

No, I know you are particular about the spelling so I copied it from your post,
thinking that must be right. Unfortunately I didn't realize that I was copying
it from where you quoted mimus...




           
Date: 13 Feb 2009 00:12:38
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:08:19 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>Sakari Lund wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:12:52 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I saw both matches. Against JJ she was on fire, hitting flat winners
>>> all match. Against Zvonereva
>>
>> Damn, you are all doing this on purpose...
>
>No, I know you are particular about the spelling so I copied it from your post,
>thinking that must be right. Unfortunately I didn't realize that I was copying
>it from where you quoted mimus...

LOL



            
Date: 12 Feb 2009 19:05:12
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:12:38 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:08:19 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> Sakari Lund wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:12:52 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I saw both matches. Against JJ she was on fire, hitting flat winners
>>>> all match. Against Zvonereva
>>>
>>> Damn, you are all doing this on purpose...
>>
>> No, I know you are particular about the spelling so I copied it from
>> your post, thinking that must be right. Unfortunately I didn't realize
>> that I was copying it from where you quoted mimus...
>
> LOL

There's a moral there somewhere, although damned if I know what it is.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.




             
Date: 13 Feb 2009 11:42:29
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
mimus wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:12:38 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:08:19 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sakari Lund wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:12:52 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I saw both matches. Against JJ she was on fire, hitting flat
>>>>> winners all match. Against Zvonereva
>>>>
>>>> Damn, you are all doing this on purpose...
>>>
>>> No, I know you are particular about the spelling so I copied it from
>>> your post, thinking that must be right. Unfortunately I didn't
>>> realize that I was copying it from where you quoted mimus...
>>
>> LOL
>
> There's a moral there somewhere, although damned if I know what it is.

The moral is that you need to watch your spelling. I'm deeply ashamed to have
misspelled a name, one that I got right in posts a few weeks ago, and it was
your spelling that I (inadvertently) relied on.




              
Date: 12 Feb 2009 20:16:36
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:42:29 +1100, DavidW wrote:

> mimus wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:12:38 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:08:19 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sakari Lund wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:12:52 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I saw both matches. Against JJ she was on fire, hitting flat
>>>>>> winners all match. Against Zvonereva
>>>>>
>>>>> Damn, you are all doing this on purpose...
>>>>
>>>> No, I know you are particular about the spelling so I copied it from
>>>> your post, thinking that must be right. Unfortunately I didn't
>>>> realize that I was copying it from where you quoted mimus...
>>>
>>> LOL
>>
>> There's a moral there somewhere, although damned if I know what it is.
>
> The moral is that you need to watch your spelling. I'm deeply ashamed to have
> misspelled a name, one that I got right in posts a few weeks ago, and it was
> your spelling that I (inadvertently) relied on.

<spreads arms: >

Who am I, Noah Webster?

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.




          
Date: 12 Feb 2009 16:35:47
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:22:51 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:12:52 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> I saw both matches. Against JJ she was on fire, hitting flat winners
>> all match. Against Zvonereva
>
> Damn, you are all doing this on purpose...

It's her fault, I'm tellin' ya.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.




        
Date: 12 Feb 2009 16:01:07
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:22:04 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:26:43 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:36:36 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:27:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:47:34 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:38:49 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:29:40 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2004 Wimbledon Maria Sharapova Serena Williams
>>>>>>>> 1997 U.S. Open Martina Hingis Venus Williams
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only happened twice. Amazing it, isnt it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doesnt this make Maria's achievement astonishing? Hingis' victory was
>>>>>>>> when Venus was just coming up the ranks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, there had to be some angle for you in posting that bit of trivia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was the _way_ that Maria did it that was really astonishing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're used to her and it by now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that was an absolutely stunning display of the women's all-out
>>>>>> low-percentage power-game at the time. Jaw-dropping stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From a seventeen-year-old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean, Serena-- _Serena_-- was _whipped_.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't remember anything remotely as stunning before or since until
>>>>>> Lindsay double-bageled Maria (another jaw-dropping display).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although on a slightly less lofty level Bartoli's knocking Jankovic off
>>>>>> at this last AO was pretty good, and we were a dizzy-spell away from
>>>>>> what would've been an even more startling knock-out of Serena.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People who consider women's tennis boring are idiots.
>>>>>
>>>>> What has Bartoli's win over Jankovic got to do with anything?
>>>>
>>>> The explosive style and unexpectedness of it-- I was calling her
>>>> "Ball-Gun Bartoli" right after, if you'll remember, assuming you read
>>>> my highly-appreciative post on the blitzkrieg . . . .
>>>
>>> Jankovic losing in this AO almost anyone wouldn't have been a surprise.
>>> Note that Zvonareva beat Bartoli in the next round 6-3, 6-0.
>>
>> Did you _watch_ the two matches? Bartoli of Bartoli-Zvonereva was a
>> shadow of Bartoli of Bartoli-Jankovic (I think she may've learned a
>> little lesson about tournament-pacing there).
>
> No, I didn't see either match. But I read Bartoli's comments after
> Zvonareva match and she said "I played well, sometimes you just have to
> admit your opponent is better, if she plays like that she can certainly
> win the tournament". I saw Jankovic against Flipkens, and she played
> really badly. At least for me it was clear Jankovic would not do well in
> the tournament. So I can't in any way compare Bartoli - Jankovic to
> 17-year old Sharapova beating Serena in a Wimbledon final.

Please note expression "on a slightly less lofty level".

> And I don't like the Jaros-like intentional misspelling of names. (At
> this point it must be intentional).

Nah, can't help myself by now; besides, I still think she misspells it.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.




         
Date: 12 Feb 2009 23:33:49
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:01:07 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com >
wrote:

>> And I don't like the Jaros-like intentional misspelling of names. (At
>> this point it must be intentional).
>
>Nah, can't help myself by now; besides, I still think she misspells it.

Well, it is a translitteration anyway. The names of many Russian
players are translitterated differently in English and Finnish for
example, and I have also seen German translitterations, that are very
different from both. Then the translitterations can change. Vera
Dushevina used to be "Douchevina", but now she is Dushevina.

But I don't think there is any uncertainty there. It is "a", not "e".


          
Date: 12 Feb 2009 16:47:34
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:33:49 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:01:07 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> And I don't like the Jaros-like intentional misspelling of names. (At
>>> this point it must be intentional).
>>
>> Nah, can't help myself by now; besides, I still think she misspells it.
>
> Well, it is a translitteration anyway. The names of many Russian players
> are translitterated differently in English and Finnish for example, and
> I have also seen German translitterations, that are very different from
> both. Then the translitterations can change. Vera Dushevina used to be
> "Douchevina", but now she is Dushevina.
>
> But I don't think there is any uncertainty there. It is "a", not "e".

Well, let's check and see:

Aha, Romanov's gives us the root "zvonar' ", meaning "bell-ringer" or
"sexton".

OK fine. I'll buy that. Zvonareva it is. I'll try.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.




           
Date: 12 Feb 2009 23:58:08
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Sistahs losing to someone else in slam finals
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:47:34 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com >
wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:33:49 +0200, Sakari Lund wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:01:07 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> And I don't like the Jaros-like intentional misspelling of names. (At
>>>> this point it must be intentional).
>>>
>>> Nah, can't help myself by now; besides, I still think she misspells it.
>>
>> Well, it is a translitteration anyway. The names of many Russian players
>> are translitterated differently in English and Finnish for example, and
>> I have also seen German translitterations, that are very different from
>> both. Then the translitterations can change. Vera Dushevina used to be
>> "Douchevina", but now she is Dushevina.
>>
>> But I don't think there is any uncertainty there. It is "a", not "e".
>
>Well, let's check and see:
>
>Aha, Romanov's gives us the root "zvonar' ", meaning "bell-ringer" or
>"sexton".
>
>OK fine. I'll buy that. Zvonareva it is. I'll try.

Thank you.