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Date: 03 Feb 2009 23:44:04
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Surprises in 2009?
Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.

It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and
Del Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year.
And I really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can
start to play better and consistently again.

PS.




 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 22:06:33
From: Ted S.
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:44:04 +0100, Petter Solbu wrote:

> Subject: Surprises in 2009?

Whisper stops posting.

--
Ted Schuerzinger
tedstennis at myrealbox dot com
If you're afraid of the ball, don't sit in the front row. --Anastasia
Rodionova


  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 05:07:28
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?

"Ted S." <tedstennis@myrealbox.com > wrote in message
news:17vr3m3k5xmsm$.dlg@tedstennis.tripod.com...
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:44:04 +0100, Petter Solbu wrote:
>
>> Subject: Surprises in 2009?
>
> Whisper stops posting.


Ted, why do you dislike Whisper so much?




 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 07:56:15
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Feb 3, 5:44=A0pm, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
>
> It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
> this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and
> Del Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year.
> And I really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can
> start to play better and consistently again.
>
> PS.

Sampras wins Wimbledon?


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 09:21:16
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
"Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:g6mdnVlSK8VRVRXU4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
> Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
>
> It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
> this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and Del
> Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year. And I
> really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can start
> to play better and consistently again.
>
> PS.

Monfils??




  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 17:53:56
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
Iceberg wrote:

>> It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
>> this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and Del
>> Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year. And I
>> really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can start
>> to play better and consistently again.
>>
>
> Monfils??

Oh yes. If he can recover from his wrist injury I think he can be a huge
threat for almost anyone on any surface.

PS.


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 03:03:50
From: GOAT
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Feb 4, 9:21 am, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay > wrote:
> "Petter Solbu" <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:g6mdnVlSK8VRVRXU4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
>
> > Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
>
> > It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
> > this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and Del
> > Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year. And I
> > really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can start
> > to play better and consistently again.
>
> > PS.
>
> Monfils??

He will kick ass this year, mark my words!


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 08:06:54
From: Adb
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?

"Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com > a crit dans le message de
news:g6mdnVlSK8VRVRXU4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
> Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
>
> It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
> this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and Del
> Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year. And I
> really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can start
> to play better and consistently again.
>
> PS.

So typically rst...you try to talk about sth else that N1/2 and
most of the answers talk about N3
Really pathetic
This group is not rec.sport.TENNIS,but
rec.sport.tennis.TOP3!...




  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 12:39:28
From: m4816k
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
"Adb" <ad.brun@orange.fr > wrote in message
news:49893e91$0$9390$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>
> "Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com> a crit dans le message de
> news:g6mdnVlSK8VRVRXU4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
>> Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
>>
>> It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
>> this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and Del
>> Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year. And
>> I really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can
>> start to play better and consistently again.
>>
>> PS.
>
> So typically rst...you try to talk about sth else that N1/2 and
> most of the answers talk about N3
> Really pathetic
> This group is not rec.sport.TENNIS,but
> rec.sport.tennis.TOP3!...
>
>

Exactly. There should be a group just for Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and
Murray.




  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 09:18:46
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?

"Adb" <ad.brun@orange.fr > wrote in message
news:49893e91$0$9390$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>
> "Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com> a crit dans le message de
> news:g6mdnVlSK8VRVRXU4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
>> Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
>>
>> It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
>> this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and Del
>> Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year. And
>> I really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can
>> start to play better and consistently again.
>>
>> PS.
>
> So typically rst...you try to talk about sth else that N1/2 and
> most of the answers talk about N3
> Really pathetic
> This group is not rec.sport.TENNIS,but
> rec.sport.tennis.TOP3!...


I am hoping for Roko Karanusic to break top 50 and win his first ATP title.
He's been solid for the last year, very promising player, took 7 games off
Rafa at the AO.


Good?





 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 01:37:52
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:44:04 +0100, Petter Solbu
<pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote:

>Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
>
>It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
>this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and
>Del Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year.
>And I really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can
>start to play better and consistently again.

The surprise of 2009 is Kim Clijsters winning USO.



  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 00:38:24
From: topspin
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On 3 Feb, 23:37, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:44:04 +0100, Petter Solbu
>
> <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
>
> >It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
> >this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and
> >Del Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year.
> >And I really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can
> >start to play better and consistently again.
>
> The surprise of 2009 is Kim Clijsters winning USO.

No. 'The' surprise is going to be Amelie win the French!! :-)


   
Date: 05 Feb 2009 23:38:49
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 00:38:24 -0800 (PST), topspin
<goolagongfan@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On 3 Feb, 23:37, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:44:04 +0100, Petter Solbu
>>
>> <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
>>
>> >It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
>> >this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and
>> >Del Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year.
>> >And I really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can
>> >start to play better and consistently again.
>>
>> The surprise of 2009 is Kim Clijsters winning USO.
>
>No. 'The' surprise is going to be Amelie win the French!! :-)

I have to admit that would be even bigger surprise :-)


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 14:57:30
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Feb 3, 2:44=A0pm, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
>
> It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
> this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and
> Del Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year.
> And I really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can
> start to play better and consistently again.
>
> PS.

I predict Djokoic will never again attain the kind of results he had
last year.


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 09:47:12
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Feb 5, 9:41=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Joe Ramirez wrote:
> > I disagree. Not only do I think "mental strength" includes
> > perseverance when faced with obstacles, I would say that the players
> > who are normally considered the most "mentally strong" on court are
> > *defined by* their refusal to give up under any circumstances. E.g.,
> > Connors (crazy comebacks against the odds), Borg (amazing number of
> > five-set wins), Nadal (never concedes anything). Mental strength is
> > not just the mere absence of nervousness, but rather a positive
> > commitment to continuing to give your very best effort even when
> > victory appears remote.
>
> All in all this is only a matter of definition. No doubt, Djokovic's
> problems with handling obstacles on court when he is not in full shape
> is of course a weakness. This is just as much a sportsmanship issue. But
> when I usually say "mental", I refer to the ability of "keeping your
> head cool". For example Federer does not keep his head cool against Nadal=
.
>

Djokovic seems to get pissed at the crowd more than other players.
Why?


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 08:43:10
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Feb 5, 8:25=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Feb 5, 11:15=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Joe Ramirez wrote:
> > > Ask *skriptis. He said Djokovic's problem is not mental strength, but
> > > his "attitude."
>
> > "Mental" is a somewhat general term. What I meant in my post was that
> > Djokovic never seems nervous while playing. He plays with his brain -
> > not his emotions. But when he realizes it is not his day after all, he
> > is an easy quitter. That has something to do with attitude. You might
> > say this also is mental - of course it is. But this is not what we
> > usually refer to as mental in tennis.
>
> I disagree. Not only do I think "mental strength" includes
> perseverance when faced with obstacles, I would say that the players
> who are normally considered the most "mentally strong" on court are
> *defined by* their refusal to give up under any circumstances. E.g.,
> Connors (crazy comebacks against the odds), Borg (amazing number of
> five-set wins), Nadal (never concedes anything). Mental strength is
> not just the mere absence of nervousness, but rather a positive
> commitment to continuing to give your very best effort even when
> victory appears remote.
>
> Joe Ramirez

++ Right. "Mental strength" in sports talk typically revolves around
the resolve to do what needs to be done OR attempted at the climatic
moment or just within a continuous streaming of repeating exertions...
the contexts of pain, exhaustion, opposing skills, trauma, weather
conditions, doubt, etc. are either factored out internally or
compartmentalized, allowing the athlete to simply execute/deliver...
steadfast to the task of attempting to achieve no matter the
circumstance until the very last moment required... sort of facing the
prospects of winning and losing as inconsequential, for only the act
of doing takes absolute precedence... some guys zone in and
channelling a quiet stoicism are able to athletically flow without
constricting self awareness... some guys are very much in their own
heads, emotively pumped up, brazenly, defiantly emotional, egos
blazing, the warrior cliche charging into the breech come what might,
the energy of their athleticism sweeping aside any encounters with
fate, any opposing flourishes of skill or guile...

P


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 08:25:15
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Feb 5, 11:15=A0am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Joe Ramirez wrote:
> > Ask *skriptis. He said Djokovic's problem is not mental strength, but
> > his "attitude."
>
> "Mental" is a somewhat general term. What I meant in my post was that
> Djokovic never seems nervous while playing. He plays with his brain -
> not his emotions. But when he realizes it is not his day after all, he
> is an easy quitter. That has something to do with attitude. You might
> say this also is mental - of course it is. But this is not what we
> usually refer to as mental in tennis.

I disagree. Not only do I think "mental strength" includes
perseverance when faced with obstacles, I would say that the players
who are normally considered the most "mentally strong" on court are
*defined by* their refusal to give up under any circumstances. E.g.,
Connors (crazy comebacks against the odds), Borg (amazing number of
five-set wins), Nadal (never concedes anything). Mental strength is
not just the mere absence of nervousness, but rather a positive
commitment to continuing to give your very best effort even when
victory appears remote.

Joe Ramirez


   
Date: 05 Feb 2009 19:20:56
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
Joe Ramirez wrote:
> On Feb 5, 11:15 am, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Joe Ramirez wrote:
>>> Ask *skriptis. He said Djokovic's problem is not mental strength,
>>> but his "attitude."
>>
>> "Mental" is a somewhat general term. What I meant in my post was that
>> Djokovic never seems nervous while playing. He plays with his brain -
>> not his emotions. But when he realizes it is not his day after all,
>> he is an easy quitter. That has something to do with attitude. You
>> might say this also is mental - of course it is. But this is not
>> what we usually refer to as mental in tennis.
>
> I disagree. Not only do I think "mental strength" includes
> perseverance when faced with obstacles, I would say that the players
> who are normally considered the most "mentally strong" on court are
> *defined by* their refusal to give up under any circumstances. E.g.,
> Connors (crazy comebacks against the odds), Borg (amazing number of
> five-set wins), Nadal (never concedes anything). Mental strength is
> not just the mere absence of nervousness, but rather a positive
> commitment to continuing to give your very best effort even when
> victory appears remote.
>
> Joe Ramirez


No one put Djokovic in that league, no one claimed he's a mental giant. He
is indeed an easy quitter, however, you can't put him together with other
chokers like Ivanisevic. He fights hard and doesn't break under pressure in
a close match. That was my point. And Peter's.

I think it has a lot to do with his fitness. It's like he doesn't believe in
his body. And we've seen he does have certain respiratory problems.

So when he quits a match, is that a mental weakness? Well, sort of.
But if he were to improve his fitness or maybe have no problems with it in
the first place, we wouldn't be talking about it now.
He can still do it. That's why I call it "attitude". You can change it,
improve it. whitout even talking to psychologist, it's maybe enough to
improve his fitness level and he'd feel more confident.

otoh you can't learn the one thing nadal's so great at, holding your nerves
in a big,close, match.
And Djokovic is not bad when it comes to that either.




   
Date: 05 Feb 2009 18:41:31
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
Joe Ramirez wrote:
> I disagree. Not only do I think "mental strength" includes
> perseverance when faced with obstacles, I would say that the players
> who are normally considered the most "mentally strong" on court are
> *defined by* their refusal to give up under any circumstances. E.g.,
> Connors (crazy comebacks against the odds), Borg (amazing number of
> five-set wins), Nadal (never concedes anything). Mental strength is
> not just the mere absence of nervousness, but rather a positive
> commitment to continuing to give your very best effort even when
> victory appears remote.

All in all this is only a matter of definition. No doubt, Djokovic's
problems with handling obstacles on court when he is not in full shape
is of course a weakness. This is just as much a sportsmanship issue. But
when I usually say "mental", I refer to the ability of "keeping your
head cool". For example Federer does not keep his head cool against Nadal.

PS.


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 07:47:57
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Feb 5, 10:38=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Feb 5, 10:35=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > You appear to be saying that
> > Djokovic is mentally strong except when he's mentally weak. But having
> > the right "attitude" is part of mental strength.
>
> What does this mean? :)

Ask *skriptis. He said Djokovic's problem is not mental strength, but
his "attitude."

Joe Ramirez


   
Date: 05 Feb 2009 17:15:12
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
Joe Ramirez wrote:
> Ask *skriptis. He said Djokovic's problem is not mental strength, but
> his "attitude."

"Mental" is a somewhat general term. What I meant in my post was that
Djokovic never seems nervous while playing. He plays with his brain -
not his emotions. But when he realizes it is not his day after all, he
is an easy quitter. That has something to do with attitude. You might
say this also is mental - of course it is. But this is not what we
usually refer to as mental in tennis.

PS.


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 07:38:58
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Feb 5, 10:35=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> You appear to be saying that
> Djokovic is mentally strong except when he's mentally weak. But having
> the right "attitude" is part of mental strength.

What does this mean? :)


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 07:35:59
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Feb 4, 12:08=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Petter Solbu" <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bZqdnaR_cpO0WhTU4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
>
> > john wrote:
>
> >> Djokovic's game together with =A0his physical weakness means his game =
is
> >> less suited
> >> to clay than both Nadal and Federer. =A0But he has a good hard court g=
ame
> >> but he is
> >> mentally weak so in big matches he will continue to be outgunned by
> >> Federer and Nadal.
> >> Fast hard court is his best surface.
>
> > This I cannot understand. Djokovic is first of all not mentally weak. H=
e
> > is maybe a coward, but he seems pretty mentally strong to me. He is a
> > splendid defender of break points - I am pretty sure the stats are with=
me
> > on this.
>
> I totally agree. His mental strenght is not the problem, it's his attitud=
e.
> Apart from that first USO final and the first two sets maybe on set point=
s,
> he doesn't choke, and usually shows some good clutch play in big matches
> etc.
>
> I'd rather say he's kinda "spoiled". If the conditions don't suit him, if
> everything doesn't go the way he imagined or the way he thinks it should =
be
> going, he's gives up on fighting.
>
> When he's "in", he's in...he won't succumb to the pressure very easily, a=
t
> least not so easily as most of people here believe he would.

I don't understand this argument. You appear to be saying that
Djokovic is mentally strong except when he's mentally weak. But having
the right "attitude" is part of mental strength. Not giving up because
conditions don't suit you is part of mental strength. A player who
fights determinedly only when he believes he has a good chance to win
is not mentally strong.

Joe Ramirez


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 04:16:55
From:
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Feb 5, 3:56=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> john wrote:
> > "Petter Solbu" <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:bZqdnaR_cpO0WhTU4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
> >> john wrote:
>
> >>> Djokovic's game together with =A0his physical weakness means his game
> >>> is less suited
> >>> to clay than both Nadal and Federer. =A0But he has a good hard court
> >>> game but he is
> >>> mentally weak so in big matches he will continue to be outgunned by
> >>> Federer and Nadal.
> >>> Fast hard court is his best surface.
>
> >> This I cannot understand. Djokovic is first of all not mentally
> >> weak. He is maybe a coward, but he seems pretty mentally strong to
> >> me. He is a splendid defender of break points - I am pretty sure the
> >> stats are with me on this. He has really pushed Nadal on clay (in
> >> Hamburg last year) and has reached the semi in RG the last two
> >> years, unfortunately meeting Nadal in both. To me he seems like a
> >> baseline player first and foremost. He can approach the net if he
> >> have to, but he is not very good in that department. The only
> >> question mark regarding his clay court game is his stamina.
>
> > He is mentally weak and this is underline by his inability in
> > defending any of his
> > titles and quitting matches when he is behind.
>
> In his entire career, he's failed to defend his title only 3 times so far=
.
> It's nothing.
>
> For a comparison, just in 2008 Federer failed 6 times in defending a titl=
e.
>
> > You may think that is
> > act of a coward
> > but in reality it is a mental weakness and he just does not have much
> > fight in him
> > when he was down against a good player.
>
> In the past 4 years, only Rafa and him beat Federer in slam.
> He beat him in MS final, won couple of those, and performed very well whe=
n
> expected to win, eg in finals of YEC and AO in 2008.
>
> If- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

His main problem right now is that he's only the 4th best player in
the world on court.


   
Date: 05 Feb 2009 19:36:52
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
jasoncatlin1971@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 3:56 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> john wrote:
>>> "Petter Solbu" <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:bZqdnaR_cpO0WhTU4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
>>>> john wrote:
>>
>>>>> Djokovic's game together with his physical weakness means his game
>>>>> is less suited
>>>>> to clay than both Nadal and Federer. But he has a good hard court
>>>>> game but he is
>>>>> mentally weak so in big matches he will continue to be outgunned
>>>>> by Federer and Nadal.
>>>>> Fast hard court is his best surface.
>>
>>>> This I cannot understand. Djokovic is first of all not mentally
>>>> weak. He is maybe a coward, but he seems pretty mentally strong to
>>>> me. He is a splendid defender of break points - I am pretty sure
>>>> the stats are with me on this. He has really pushed Nadal on clay
>>>> (in Hamburg last year) and has reached the semi in RG the last two
>>>> years, unfortunately meeting Nadal in both. To me he seems like a
>>>> baseline player first and foremost. He can approach the net if he
>>>> have to, but he is not very good in that department. The only
>>>> question mark regarding his clay court game is his stamina.
>>
>>> He is mentally weak and this is underline by his inability in
>>> defending any of his
>>> titles and quitting matches when he is behind.
>>
>> In his entire career, he's failed to defend his title only 3 times
>> so far. It's nothing.
>>
>> For a comparison, just in 2008 Federer failed 6 times in defending a
>> title.
>>
>>> You may think that is
>>> act of a coward
>>> but in reality it is a mental weakness and he just does not have
>>> much fight in him
>>> when he was down against a good player.
>>
>> In the past 4 years, only Rafa and him beat Federer in slam.
>> He beat him in MS final, won couple of those, and performed very
>> well when expected to win, eg in finals of YEC and AO in 2008.
>>
>> If- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> His main problem right now is that he's only the 4th best player in
> the world on court.


Murray is the 3rd best atm?
He's not hot at all.

I stick to the rankings when there is no hot player.
And rankings have Djokovic as #3.




  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 00:16:50
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:

> I predict Djokoic will never again attain the kind of results he had
> last year.

Hm, hard to say. Is he as motivated as last year? He doesn't seem like a
champion this year, but anything can happen. He has so far in his career
not defended a single title, so I guess that does not make him a
favorite at IW. I think he will go for French this year. His game is in
fact most suited for clay IMO. Especially when his serve is not that good.

PS.


   
Date: 04 Feb 2009 21:45:45
From: john
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?

"Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:A8mdnQhbFernTRXURVnzvQA@telenor.com...
> Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
>
>> I predict Djokoic will never again attain the kind of results he had
>> last year.
>
> Hm, hard to say. Is he as motivated as last year? He doesn't seem like a
> champion this year, but anything can happen. He has so far in his career
> not defended a single title, so I guess that does not make him a favorite
> at IW. I think he will go for French this year. His game is in fact most
> suited for clay IMO. Especially when his serve is not that good.
>
> PS.

Djokovic's game together with his physical weakness means his game is less
suited
to clay than both Nadal and Federer. But he has a good hard court game but
he is
mentally weak so in big matches he will continue to be outgunned by Federer
and Nadal.
Fast hard court is his best surface.




    
Date: 04 Feb 2009 17:49:44
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
john wrote:

> Djokovic's game together with his physical weakness means his game is less
> suited
> to clay than both Nadal and Federer. But he has a good hard court game but
> he is
> mentally weak so in big matches he will continue to be outgunned by Federer
> and Nadal.
> Fast hard court is his best surface.

This I cannot understand. Djokovic is first of all not mentally weak. He
is maybe a coward, but he seems pretty mentally strong to me. He is a
splendid defender of break points - I am pretty sure the stats are with
me on this. He has really pushed Nadal on clay (in Hamburg last year)
and has reached the semi in RG the last two years, unfortunately meeting
Nadal in both. To me he seems like a baseline player first and foremost.
He can approach the net if he have to, but he is not very good in that
department. The only question mark regarding his clay court game is his
stamina.

PS.


     
Date: 05 Feb 2009 19:32:25
From: john
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?

"Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:bZqdnaR_cpO0WhTU4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
> john wrote:
>
>> Djokovic's game together with his physical weakness means his game is
>> less suited
>> to clay than both Nadal and Federer. But he has a good hard court game
>> but he is
>> mentally weak so in big matches he will continue to be outgunned by
>> Federer and Nadal.
>> Fast hard court is his best surface.
>
> This I cannot understand. Djokovic is first of all not mentally weak. He
> is maybe a coward, but he seems pretty mentally strong to me. He is a
> splendid defender of break points - I am pretty sure the stats are with me
> on this. He has really pushed Nadal on clay (in Hamburg last year) and has
> reached the semi in RG the last two years, unfortunately meeting Nadal in
> both. To me he seems like a baseline player first and foremost. He can
> approach the net if he have to, but he is not very good in that
> department. The only question mark regarding his clay court game is his
> stamina.

He is mentally weak and this is underline by his inability in defending any
of his
titles and quitting matches when he is behind. You may think that is act of
a coward
but in reality it is a mental weakness and he just does not have much fight
in him
when he was down against a good player.
>
> PS.




      
Date: 05 Feb 2009 09:56:22
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
john wrote:
> "Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bZqdnaR_cpO0WhTU4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
>> john wrote:
>>
>>> Djokovic's game together with his physical weakness means his game
>>> is less suited
>>> to clay than both Nadal and Federer. But he has a good hard court
>>> game but he is
>>> mentally weak so in big matches he will continue to be outgunned by
>>> Federer and Nadal.
>>> Fast hard court is his best surface.
>>
>> This I cannot understand. Djokovic is first of all not mentally
>> weak. He is maybe a coward, but he seems pretty mentally strong to
>> me. He is a splendid defender of break points - I am pretty sure the
>> stats are with me on this. He has really pushed Nadal on clay (in
>> Hamburg last year) and has reached the semi in RG the last two
>> years, unfortunately meeting Nadal in both. To me he seems like a
>> baseline player first and foremost. He can approach the net if he
>> have to, but he is not very good in that department. The only
>> question mark regarding his clay court game is his stamina.
>
> He is mentally weak and this is underline by his inability in
> defending any of his
> titles and quitting matches when he is behind.


In his entire career, he's failed to defend his title only 3 times so far.
It's nothing.

For a comparison, just in 2008 Federer failed 6 times in defending a title.





> You may think that is
> act of a coward
> but in reality it is a mental weakness and he just does not have much
> fight in him
> when he was down against a good player.


In the past 4 years, only Rafa and him beat Federer in slam.
He beat him in MS final, won couple of those, and performed very well when
expected to win, eg in finals of YEC and AO in 2008.


If





     
Date: 04 Feb 2009 18:08:54
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?

"Petter Solbu" <pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:bZqdnaR_cpO0WhTU4p2dnAA@telenor.com...
> john wrote:
>
>> Djokovic's game together with his physical weakness means his game is
>> less suited
>> to clay than both Nadal and Federer. But he has a good hard court game
>> but he is
>> mentally weak so in big matches he will continue to be outgunned by
>> Federer and Nadal.
>> Fast hard court is his best surface.
>
> This I cannot understand. Djokovic is first of all not mentally weak. He
> is maybe a coward, but he seems pretty mentally strong to me. He is a
> splendid defender of break points - I am pretty sure the stats are with me
> on this.


I totally agree. His mental strenght is not the problem, it's his attitude.
Apart from that first USO final and the first two sets maybe on set points,
he doesn't choke, and usually shows some good clutch play in big matches
etc.

I'd rather say he's kinda "spoiled". If the conditions don't suit him, if
everything doesn't go the way he imagined or the way he thinks it should be
going, he's gives up on fighting.


When he's "in", he's in...he won't succumb to the pressure very easily, at
least not so easily as most of people here believe he would.




  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 15:19:35
From:
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
On Feb 3, 6:16=A0pm, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> > I predict Djokoic will never again attain the kind of results he had
> > last year.
>
> Hm, hard to say. Is he as motivated as last year? He doesn't seem like a
> champion this year, but anything can happen. He has so far in his career
> not defended a single title, so I guess that does not make him a
> favorite at IW. I think he will go for French this year. His game is in
> fact most suited for clay IMO. Especially when his serve is not that good=
.
>
> PS.

I'd still say his best chance is a medium to fast hard court. I don't
think he has the mindset or the stamina
for clay, at least not yet.


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 23:05:06
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?

On 3-Feb-2009, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swallow@yahoo.com > wrote:

> On Feb 3, 2:44pm, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
> >
> > It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
> > this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and
> > Del Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year.
> > And I really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can
> > start to play better and consistently again.
> >
> > PS.
>
> I predict Djokoic will never again attain the kind of results he had
> last year.

I have a feeling what he did at the AO cost him a lot of fans.....


   
Date: 04 Feb 2009 21:50:56
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
jdeluise wrote:
> On 3-Feb-2009, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swallow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 3, 2:44 pm, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
>>>
>>> It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
>>> this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and
>>> Del Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year.
>>> And I really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can
>>> start to play better and consistently again.
>>>
>>> PS.
>> I predict Djokoic will never again attain the kind of results he had
>> last year.
>
> I have a feeling what he did at the AO cost him a lot of fans.....


It was a gutless effort when you look what Rafa did.



 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 22:54:55
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?

On 3-Feb-2009, Petter Solbu <pettermann1984@hotmail.com > wrote:

> Ok, enough about Federer, Nadal, AO etc.
>
> It is time to look at the rest of 2009. Which players will break through
> this year (challenge top 10)? Last year was Tsonga, Murray, Simon and
> Del Potro. I am counting on Cilic, Monfils, Chardy and Gulbis this year.
> And I really hope (I never stops doing that...) that Gasquet finally can
> start to play better and consistently again.
>
> PS.

How about Verdasco? I really hope he can keep up his level of play from the
AO. That match with Nadal was such a nail-biter!


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 00:18:01
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: Surprises in 2009?
jdeluise wrote:

> How about Verdasco? I really hope he can keep up his level of play from the
> AO. That match with Nadal was such a nail-biter!

Sure, but he is already there, No. 9. I am pretty sure we will hear from
him - I just don't see him as a surprise. That is why he was not in my list.

PS.