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Date: 11 Jan 2009 18:18:43
From:
Subject: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html

Some interesting points:

Nadal working on changing forehand.

Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.

Working on Rafa's image for the future.




 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 12:47:06
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
On Jan 12, 11:01 am, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 12-Jan-2009, "andrew.r...@gmail.com" <andrew.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 11, 9:11 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> > > nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>
> > > > Some interesting points:
>
> > > > Nadal working on changing forehand.
>
> > > > Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>
> > > > Working on Rafa's image for the future.
>
> > > When I asked the American player Andy Roddick about the changes, he
> > > couldn't believe that Nadal would voluntarily reduce the spin on his
> > > forehand. "One of the things that is difficult about facing [Nadal] is
> > > the extreme topspin he gets on the ball," Roddick told TIME. "If it's
> > > true, I don't think it would make him more effective."
>
> > I'm not too surprised to hear Roddick say this considering the
> > direction his forehand has drifted in the last 5 years. How it would
> > not behoove Nadal to develop a flatter forehand is beyond me. It's not
> > like he's going to stop hitting with extreme spin on clay. But I'm
> > sure he'd love to be able to hit a forehand like Federer does -
> > especially after Fed hit several dozen of them past him without
> > apparent effort at Wimbledon (nevermind that Nadal won). Considering
> > that the energy his racquet was transferring as topspin would instead
> > be applied to the horizontal axis, he could develop a seriously
> > damaging flat forehand.
>
> If he could keep it under control, which I think would be much harder to do!

Well it would obviously not be as safe a shot as his usual forehand,
which he seemingly has to try hard in order to miss with. That's also
the idea, though - keep the points short. No doubt it'd be a riskier
shot.


 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 12:34:59
From:
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
On Jan 12, 1:02=A0pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com > wrote:
> TT <g...@olympics.org> wrote:
> > But I think they're driving little off road there. As they have been
> > with Rafa's scheduling. I simply cannot understand need to play say
> > Barcelona etc.
>
> Barcelona? That's an easy one - the home boy factor. The same reason Gonz=
alez
> plays the AO final and then flies halfway across the world to play a
> tournament that starts the next day (Vi=F1a del Mar).

Barcelona's not Nadal's home town - he may feel the need to play it
because it's the only clay tournament in Spain. That is changing this
year of course, as Madrid become a clay MS event, so Nadal may feel
justified in skipping Barcelona.



  
Date: 12 Jan 2009 20:27:42
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 12, 1:02 pm, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon....@gmmmmail.com> wrote:
>> TT <g...@olympics.org> wrote:
>> > But I think they're driving little off road there. As they have been
>> > with Rafa's scheduling. I simply cannot understand need to play say
>> > Barcelona etc.
>>
>> Barcelona? That's an easy one - the home boy factor. The same reason Gonzalez
>> plays the AO final and then flies halfway across the world to play a
>> tournament that starts the next day (Viņa del Mar).
>
> Barcelona's not Nadal's home town - he may feel the need to play it
> because it's the only clay tournament in Spain. That is changing this
> year of course, as Madrid become a clay MS event, so Nadal may feel
> justified in skipping Barcelona.

Viņa isn't Gonzalez's either - but it's a tournament on his country.


 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 10:43:20
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
On Jan 11, 9:11 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
> >http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>
> > Some interesting points:
>
> > Nadal working on changing forehand.
>
> > Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>
> > Working on Rafa's image for the future.
>
> When I asked the American player Andy Roddick about the changes, he
> couldn't believe that Nadal would voluntarily reduce the spin on his
> forehand. "One of the things that is difficult about facing [Nadal] is
> the extreme topspin he gets on the ball," Roddick told TIME. "If it's
> true, I don't think it would make him more effective."

I'm not too surprised to hear Roddick say this considering the
direction his forehand has drifted in the last 5 years. How it would
not behoove Nadal to develop a flatter forehand is beyond me. It's not
like he's going to stop hitting with extreme spin on clay. But I'm
sure he'd love to be able to hit a forehand like Federer does -
especially after Fed hit several dozen of them past him without
apparent effort at Wimbledon (nevermind that Nadal won). Considering
that the energy his racquet was transferring as topspin would instead
be applied to the horizontal axis, he could develop a seriously
damaging flat forehand.


  
Date: 12 Jan 2009 19:01:11
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal

On 12-Jan-2009, "andrew.reys@gmail.com" <andrew.reys@gmail.com > wrote:

> On Jan 11, 9:11 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
> > nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
> >
> > > Some interesting points:
> >
> > > Nadal working on changing forehand.
> >
> > > Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
> >
> > > Working on Rafa's image for the future.
> >
> > When I asked the American player Andy Roddick about the changes, he
> > couldn't believe that Nadal would voluntarily reduce the spin on his
> > forehand. "One of the things that is difficult about facing [Nadal] is
> > the extreme topspin he gets on the ball," Roddick told TIME. "If it's
> > true, I don't think it would make him more effective."
>
> I'm not too surprised to hear Roddick say this considering the
> direction his forehand has drifted in the last 5 years. How it would
> not behoove Nadal to develop a flatter forehand is beyond me. It's not
> like he's going to stop hitting with extreme spin on clay. But I'm
> sure he'd love to be able to hit a forehand like Federer does -
> especially after Fed hit several dozen of them past him without
> apparent effort at Wimbledon (nevermind that Nadal won). Considering
> that the energy his racquet was transferring as topspin would instead
> be applied to the horizontal axis, he could develop a seriously
> damaging flat forehand.

If he could keep it under control, which I think would be much harder to do!


 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:58:19
From: Fan
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
On Jan 12, 3:18=A0am, nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>
> Some interesting points:
>
> Nadal working on changing forehand.
>
> Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>
> Working on Rafa's image for the future.

From the article:
Is his coach encouraging Nadal to mimic Federer? "No, Federer is too
good," says Toni. "Rafael must play like himself but better, [less
spin], quicker points." But how can Federer be too good when Rafael is
ranked No. 1? "There is a difference between who is better and who
knows more," says Toni. "Better now is Rafael, he is No. 1 in the
ranking. But who has the best game? Federer."

Uncle Toni is a wise man :)



 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 07:11:41
From: TT
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
nchgoguy1@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>
> Some interesting points:
>
> Nadal working on changing forehand.
>
> Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>
> Working on Rafa's image for the future.


When I asked the American player Andy Roddick about the changes, he
couldn't believe that Nadal would voluntarily reduce the spin on his
forehand. "One of the things that is difficult about facing [Nadal] is
the extreme topspin he gets on the ball," Roddick told TIME. "If it's
true, I don't think it would make him more effective."

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 04:18:36
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
<nchgoguy1@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:fb76770b-e588-4eda-ae14-8eb6ff14f0e9@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>
> Some interesting points:
>
> Nadal working on changing forehand.
>
> Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>
> Working on Rafa's image for the future.


BTW, it would be absolutely stupid to try to flatten out his forehand
because then he loses his advantage unless of course he can produce a
Federer-like forehand consistenly, which I don't think he can. He just keep
extreme topspin bumrooting and maybe eventually he'll luck out and win the 2
hardcourt slams 1 time each. That's all he needs for GOAT, 1+7+1+1



 
Date: 11 Jan 2009 19:45:04
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
On Jan 11, 9:18=A0pm, nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>
> Some interesting points:
>
> Nadal working on changing forehand.
>
> Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>
> Working on Rafa's image for the future.

Nadal has a great coach.


 
Date: 11 Jan 2009 19:04:36
From: Scott
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
On Jan 11, 9:18=A0pm, nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>
> Some interesting points:
>
> Nadal working on changing forehand.
>
> Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>
> Working on Rafa's image for the future.

it's funny how Toni is always building Fed up. what's the H2H, Toni?



  
Date: 12 Jan 2009 07:16:53
From: TT
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
Scott wrote:
> On Jan 11, 9:18 pm, nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>>
>> Some interesting points:
>>
>> Nadal working on changing forehand.
>>
>> Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>>
>> Working on Rafa's image for the future.
>
> it's funny how Toni is always building Fed up. what's the H2H, Toni?
>

Perhaps Federer's game is an example for Toni where Rafa should head in
order to win hc slams.

I also believe that Toni wants to keep Roger as Rafa's number one
opponent mentally in order trying to get Rafa working hard.

But I think they're driving little off road there. As they have been
with Rafa's scheduling. I simply cannot understand need to play say
Barcelona etc.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


   
Date: 12 Jan 2009 10:02:36
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
TT <gold@olympics.org > wrote:
> But I think they're driving little off road there. As they have been
> with Rafa's scheduling. I simply cannot understand need to play say
> Barcelona etc.

Barcelona? That's an easy one - the home boy factor. The same reason Gonzalez
plays the AO final and then flies halfway across the world to play a
tournament that starts the next day (Viņa del Mar).


  
Date: 12 Jan 2009 04:45:13
From: Richard Eich
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
scottl44@yahoo.com wrote...
> On Jan 11, 9:18=A0pm, nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
> > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
> >
> > Some interesting points:
> >
> > Nadal working on changing forehand.
> >
> > Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
> >
> > Working on Rafa's image for the future.
>=20
> it's funny how Toni is always building Fed up. =20

...and it works like a charm, too. Motivates Rafa like nothing else:

> what's the H2H, Toni?

See what I mean?

--=20
A fight starts when a man reaches the limits of his intelligence.


   
Date: 12 Jan 2009 05:31:33
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
"Richard Eich" <richard.eich@domain.invalid > wrote in message
news:MPG.23d494e098717de598b214@news.verizon.net...
>>>...and it works like a charm, too. Motivates Rafa like nothing else:


Funny how Rafa still needs motivation after 12-6 H2H....



    
Date: 12 Jan 2009 13:01:37
From: Richard Eich
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
d@d.com wrote...
> "Richard Eich" <richard.eich@domain.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>...and it works like a charm, too. Motivates Rafa like nothing else:
>
> Funny how Rafa still needs motivation after 12-6 H2H....

What's "funny" about it? Once you get to that level of play, most of
the game is what happens between your own ears.

--
A fight starts when a man reaches the limits of his intelligence.


    
Date: 12 Jan 2009 07:33:03
From: TT
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
Stapler wrote:
> "Richard Eich" <richard.eich@domain.invalid> wrote in message
> news:MPG.23d494e098717de598b214@news.verizon.net...
>>>> ...and it works like a charm, too. Motivates Rafa like nothing else:
>
>
> Funny how Rafa still needs motivation after 12-6 H2H....

Motivation to practise and improve.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


   
Date: 12 Jan 2009 07:18:10
From: TT
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
Richard Eich wrote:
> scottl44@yahoo.com wrote...
>> On Jan 11, 9:18 pm, nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>>>
>>> Some interesting points:
>>>
>>> Nadal working on changing forehand.
>>>
>>> Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>>>
>>> Working on Rafa's image for the future.
>> it's funny how Toni is always building Fed up.
>
> ...and it works like a charm, too. Motivates Rafa like nothing else:

Yup. I believe this is a strong reason for the buildup.


  
Date: 12 Jan 2009 04:01:23
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
"Scott" <scottl44@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:4364e656-7360-4095-8960-24c585ff3652@o40g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 11, 9:18 pm, nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>
> Some interesting points:
>
> Nadal working on changing forehand.
>
> Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>
> Working on Rafa's image for the future.

>>>it's funny how Toni is always building Fed up. what's the H2H, Toni?

It's funny how the supposed "GOAT" was totally manhandling by another
player. Sampras never was 6-12 against anyone....





   
Date: 12 Jan 2009 05:15:12
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:01:23 GMT, "Stapler" <d@d.com > wrote:

>"Scott" <scottl44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:4364e656-7360-4095-8960-24c585ff3652@o40g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>On Jan 11, 9:18 pm, nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>>
>> Some interesting points:
>>
>> Nadal working on changing forehand.
>>
>> Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>>
>> Working on Rafa's image for the future.
>
>>>>it's funny how Toni is always building Fed up. what's the H2H, Toni?
>
>It's funny how the supposed "GOAT" was totally manhandling by another
>player. Sampras never was 6-12 against anyone....
>
>


only because sampras was so fucking lame on clay he never got to play
the rafa's of his era ! he lost to nobodies in R1/R2 !


    
Date: 12 Jan 2009 17:25:41
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:01:23 GMT, "Stapler" <d@d.com> wrote:
>
>> "Scott" <scottl44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:4364e656-7360-4095-8960-24c585ff3652@o40g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 11, 9:18 pm, nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>>>
>>> Some interesting points:
>>>
>>> Nadal working on changing forehand.
>>>
>>> Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>>>
>>> Working on Rafa's image for the future.
>>>>> it's funny how Toni is always building Fed up. what's the H2H, Toni?
>> It's funny how the supposed "GOAT" was totally manhandling by another
>> player. Sampras never was 6-12 against anyone....
>>
>>
>
>
> only because sampras was so fucking lame on clay he never got to play
> the rafa's of his era ! he lost to nobodies in R1/R2 !


I believe Sampras only lost 1st rd at FO 3 times, same as Fed?

Fed isn't finished yet so could top Sampras in this category.



     
Date: 12 Jan 2009 07:23:14
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:496ae26b$0$2634$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>
> I believe Sampras only lost 1st rd at FO 3 times, same as Fed?
>
> Fed isn't finished yet so could top Sampras in this category.
>


And yet Sampras will never make 3 French Open finals, much less 1.

Eat it Whispy Boy.



      
Date: 12 Jan 2009 18:11:14
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
"Stapler" <d@d.com > wrote in message
news:CdCal.5517$BC4.1776@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:496ae26b$0$2634$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>
>>
>> I believe Sampras only lost 1st rd at FO 3 times, same as Fed?
>>
>> Fed isn't finished yet so could top Sampras in this category.
>>
>
>
> And yet Sampras will never make 3 French Open finals, much less 1.
>
> Eat it Whispy Boy.

we all know Pete would have won that 1996 FO if he'd eaten a pizza
beforehand.




       
Date: 12 Jan 2009 17:01:39
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
Iceberg <big_bad_iceberg@moc.oohay > wrote:
> "Stapler" <d@d.com> wrote in message
> news:CdCal.5517$BC4.1776@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:496ae26b$0$2634$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe Sampras only lost 1st rd at FO 3 times, same as Fed?
>>>
>>> Fed isn't finished yet so could top Sampras in this category.
>>>
>>
>>
>> And yet Sampras will never make 3 French Open finals, much less 1.
>>
>> Eat it Whispy Boy.
>
> we all know Pete would have won that 1996 FO if he'd eaten a pizza
> beforehand.

I'm not sure about that - do the french know how to make a proper pizza? Maybe
a parisian pizza would only managed to get him to 5 sets instead of bageled by
Kafelnikov, or maybe just gotten him into the final but not get him to win.

/magic pizza, magic pizza, someone get me a magic pizza...


    
Date: 12 Jan 2009 05:31:02
From: Stapler
Subject: Re: TIME article on Rafa Nadal
"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com > wrote in message
news:ddklm4pon7abdsv9scm7ollfl2n85jgj0i@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:01:23 GMT, "Stapler" <d@d.com> wrote:
>
>>"Scott" <scottl44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:4364e656-7360-4095-8960-24c585ff3652@o40g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>On Jan 11, 9:18 pm, nchgog...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1870373-2,00.html
>>>
>>> Some interesting points:
>>>
>>> Nadal working on changing forehand.
>>>
>>> Toni Nadal talking about Federer's talent.
>>>
>>> Working on Rafa's image for the future.
>>
>>>>>it's funny how Toni is always building Fed up. what's the H2H, Toni?
>>
>>It's funny how the supposed "GOAT" was totally manhandling by another
>>player. Sampras never was 6-12 against anyone....
>>
>>
>
>
> only because sampras was so fucking lame on clay he never got to play
> the rafa's of his era ! he lost to nobodies in R1/R2 !


Sorry but 1-9 on clay against Rafa is pathetic...