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Date: 26 Jan 2009 20:56:12
From: dar
Subject: The Subject Was ... HAWKEYE
1. Can a player contest a footfault call by appealing to Hawkeye
(assuming, of course, that Hawkeye technology is in use at the time
and that said player has a challenge remaining )? As a side question,
have footfault calls gone the way of dodo calls? Where were YOU when
you heard your last?

2. In the ladies doubles quarterfinal match between Black/Huber and
Hantuchova/Sugiyama (very entertaining, by the way!) a lob played at
match point was either in or out. In, as it looked to me at the moment
(and to the lady who hit the lob, if her leap of joy was an
indication) and it's game-set-match. Out, as it was eventually called,
and the score is tied up again, and the match goes on. Either way, a
big call on a big point, doncha think?

"Oh, my!" I squealed excitedly from my recliner. "Such a big call,
such a big point. This looks like a job for Hawkeye!" And I'm sure it
would have been ... IF Hakweye technology were being used. On the
baseline..

Whaaaa??? If I heard correctly, Hawkeye was monitoring the sidelines
and the service lines, but not the baselines? Or was it just not being
used at all? In either case, why? Camera rationing? Disregard for
doubles? Disregard for ladies' doubles? An Aussie Open policy that for
every camera used, a retard line judge must go to bed hungry? OK,
forget Hawkeye, why not a garden-variety slo-mo? Any ol' mo? A quick
sketch by a courtroom artist? A dramatic re-enactment by a local
theatre troupe?

Oh, I raised all manners of Barcalounger hell, my dears, that's for
certain!. My dander was up! I only wish the technology existed to
allow you to see how impressively far up it was! Maybe by 2018 -- but
only for singles at first, no doubt.

dar
-----
Will re-play tennis for food.




 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 01:06:41
From: xamigax@gmail.com
Subject: Re: The Subject Was ... HAWKEYE
On 27 jan, 07:35, dar <darrylgoss...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 27, 12:03=A0am, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:56:12 -0800, dar wrote:
> > > 1. Can a player contest a footfault call by appealing to Hawkeye
> > > (assuming, of course, that Hawkeye technology is in use at the time
> > > and that said player has a challenge remaining )?
>
> > No. =A0Hawkeye doesn't track feet.
>
> Well .... WHY NOT?

Money, as usual.
Hawk eye is plain gadget, and reserved to the "rich".
As I said in some older post, it's highly unfair, since most of pro
players never play on an "hawk eyed" court.
Have you been once on any court (play or watch without tv)?

It requires 7 cameras+not so cheap computer to compute (what else?!?)
the little entertainment.
No tournament has enough (maybe the "Petro/Golf ones") money (and
infrastructures) to afford hawk eye of every court, the way it works
now (not even talking of expanding his range to feets or doubles)

As you may have heard of, there's a bit of a crisis out there, because
of greedy assholes. So money is now more & more seen as something not
to waste (or at least, to waste with less trumpets & drums)...


Share & Enjoy,
Manolo


 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 22:40:46
From: dar
Subject: Re: The Subject Was ... HAWKEYE
On Jan 27, 12:03=A0am, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com > wrote:

> They only have it on two courts, IIRC, Laver and Court.

Maybe the commentator misspoke, or I misinterpreted what he she said,
when saying the players couldn't challenge the lob call because they
didn't have Hawkeye on the baseline. Perhaps meant to say didn't have
H. on that court? Anyway, that's a little better, although still kinda
dumb. As a player, as well as an official, I think it would be tough
to go from a challenge/verification environment to one without. But
thanks for the info.



 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 22:35:31
From: dar
Subject: Re: The Subject Was ... HAWKEYE
On Jan 27, 12:03=A0am, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:56:12 -0800, dar wrote:
> > 1. Can a player contest a footfault call by appealing to Hawkeye
> > (assuming, of course, that Hawkeye technology is in use at the time
> > and that said player has a challenge remaining )?
>
> No. =A0Hawkeye doesn't track feet.

Well .... WHY NOT? Doing so would serve the same function, that of
giving the players recourse to the calls or overrules of fallible
linespeople, and perhaps reducing the tendency of a player to FREAK
out and feel personally set upon and persecuted when those calls come
at tense times in a match. Didn't see the Safin match you mention, but
he certainly pops to mind as a player apt to ... ummm ... implode in
such circumstances.



  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 01:41:04
From: mimus
Subject: Re: The Subject Was ... HAWKEYE
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:35:31 -0800, dar wrote:

> On Jan 27, 12:03 am, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:56:12 -0800, dar wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Can a player contest a footfault call by appealing to Hawkeye
>>> (assuming, of course, that Hawkeye technology is in use at the time
>>> and that said player has a challenge remaining )?
>>
>> No.  Hawkeye doesn't track feet.
>
> Well .... WHY NOT? Doing so would serve the same function, that of
> giving the players recourse to the calls or overrules of fallible
> linespeople, and perhaps reducing the tendency of a player to FREAK
> out and feel personally set upon and persecuted when those calls come
> at tense times in a match.

It's bad enough trying to do optical recognition of a ball with multiple
cameras, and that's always the same size, shape and color . . . .

> Didn't see the Safin match you mention, but he certainly pops to mind as
> a player apt to ... ummm ... implode in such circumstances.

He was certainly bubbling a bit.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:32:12
From: Edward McArdle
Subject: Re: The Subject Was ... HAWKEYE
In article
<765636a5-e66b-4b90-a4ef-3657c3ca6b08@g3g2000pre.googlegroups.com >, dar
<darrylgossett@gmail.com > wrote:

>1. Can a player contest a footfault call by appealing to Hawkeye
>(assuming, of course, that Hawkeye technology is in use at the time
>and that said player has a challenge remaining )? As a side question,
>have footfault calls gone the way of dodo calls? Where were YOU when
>you heard your last?
>

I have mentioned this before, but probably nobody read it...

I was watching Andy Ram one year, and wondered why he was footfaulting
every serve and not being called, so I took a photo. In the photo the ball
was leaving his racquet, he was *half a metre* onto the court - but his
feet had not hit the ground!

--
Edward McArdle


 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 21:09:50
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: The Subject Was ... HAWKEYE
On Jan 26, 9:05=A0pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:02:05 -0800, Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 8:56=A0pm, dar <darrylgoss...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 1. Can a player contest a footfault call by appealing to Hawkeye
> >> (assuming, of course, that Hawkeye technology is in use at the time
> >> and that said player has a challenge remaining )? As a side question,
> >> have footfault calls gone the way of dodo calls? Where were YOU when
> >> you heard your last?
>
> > Safin's footfault caused quite a stir a few days ago ...
>
> He had several, but the one that really caused the stir was called by the
> center-line judge on the other end, IIRC.
>

You remember correctly.


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 00:03:55
From: mimus
Subject: Re: The Subject Was ... HAWKEYE
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:56:12 -0800, dar wrote:

> 1. Can a player contest a footfault call by appealing to Hawkeye
> (assuming, of course, that Hawkeye technology is in use at the time
> and that said player has a challenge remaining )?

No. Hawkeye doesn't track feet.

> As a side question,
> have footfault calls gone the way of dodo calls? Where were YOU when
> you heard your last?

Several, this very year.

> 2. In the ladies doubles quarterfinal match between Black/Huber and
> Hantuchova/Sugiyama (very entertaining, by the way!) a lob played at
> match point was either in or out. In, as it looked to me at the moment
> (and to the lady who hit the lob, if her leap of joy was an
> indication) and it's game-set-match. Out, as it was eventually called,
> and the score is tied up again, and the match goes on. Either way, a
> big call on a big point, doncha think?
>
> "Oh, my!" I squealed excitedly from my recliner. "Such a big call,
> such a big point. This looks like a job for Hawkeye!" And I'm sure it
> would have been ... IF Hakweye technology were being used. On the
> baseline..
>
> Whaaaa??? If I heard correctly, Hawkeye was monitoring the sidelines
> and the service lines, but not the baselines? Or was it just not being
> used at all?

No Hawkeye on that court.

>> In either case, why? Camera rationing? Disregard for
> doubles? Disregard for ladies' doubles? An Aussie Open policy that for
> every camera used, a retard line judge must go to bed hungry? OK,
> forget Hawkeye, why not a garden-variety slo-mo? Any ol' mo? A quick
> sketch by a courtroom artist? A dramatic re-enactment by a local
> theatre troupe?
>
> Oh, I raised all manners of Barcalounger hell, my dears, that's for
> certain!. My dander was up! I only wish the technology existed to
> allow you to see how impressively far up it was! Maybe by 2018 -- but
> only for singles at first, no doubt.

They only have it on two courts, IIRC, Laver and Court.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 17:03:00
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: The Subject Was ... HAWKEYE
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:03:55 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com >
wrote:

>They only have it on two courts, IIRC, Laver and Court.

Probably Laver and Vodafone (or what the hell Hisense it is this
year). They are by far the biggest courts. Margaret Court Arena is one
of the three cosy medium-size courts.


 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 21:02:05
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: The Subject Was ... HAWKEYE
On Jan 26, 8:56=A0pm, dar <darrylgoss...@gmail.com > wrote:
> 1. Can a player contest a footfault call by appealing to Hawkeye
> (assuming, of course, that Hawkeye technology is in use at the time
> and that said player has a challenge remaining )? As a side question,
> have footfault calls gone the way of dodo calls? Where were YOU when
> you heard your last?

Safin's footfault caused quite a stir a few days ago ...

>
> 2. In the ladies doubles quarterfinal match between Black/Huber and
> Hantuchova/Sugiyama (very entertaining, by the way!) a lob played at
> match point was either in or out. In, as it looked to me at the moment
> (and to the lady who hit the lob, if her leap of joy was an
> indication) and it's game-set-match. Out, as it was eventually called,
> and the score is tied up again, and the match goes on. Either way, a
> big call on a big point, doncha think?
>
> "Oh, my!" I squealed excitedly from my recliner. "Such a big call,
> such a big point. This looks like a job for Hawkeye!" And I'm sure it
> would have been ... IF Hakweye technology were being used. On the
> baseline..
>
> Whaaaa??? If I heard correctly, Hawkeye was monitoring the sidelines
> and the service lines, but not the baselines? Or was it just not being
> used at all? In either case, why? Camera rationing? Disregard for
> doubles? Disregard for ladies' doubles? An Aussie Open policy that for
> every camera used, a retard line judge must go to bed hungry? =A0OK,
> forget Hawkeye, why not a garden-variety slo-mo? Any ol' mo? A quick
> sketch by a courtroom artist? A dramatic re-enactment by a local
> theatre troupe?
>
> Oh, I raised all manners of Barcalounger hell, my dears, that's for
> certain!. =A0My dander was up! I only wish the technology existed to
> allow you to see how impressively far up it was! Maybe by 2018 -- but
> only for singles at first, no doubt.
>
> dar
> -----
> Will re-play tennis for food.



  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 00:05:01
From: mimus
Subject: Re: The Subject Was ... HAWKEYE
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:02:05 -0800, Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:

> On Jan 26, 8:56 pm, dar <darrylgoss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 1. Can a player contest a footfault call by appealing to Hawkeye
>> (assuming, of course, that Hawkeye technology is in use at the time
>> and that said player has a challenge remaining )? As a side question,
>> have footfault calls gone the way of dodo calls? Where were YOU when
>> you heard your last?
>
> Safin's footfault caused quite a stir a few days ago ...

He had several, but the one that really caused the stir was called by the
center-line judge on the other end, IIRC.

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.