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Date: 29 Jan 2009 02:07:19
From: ghell666
Subject: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
hitting to the backhand..





 
Date: 01 Feb 2009 05:05:51
From: tennistard
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
In article
<c01a286c-5345-4fb6-be3b-e631ed2dffb2@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com >,
ghell666 <matt.tippen@gmail.com > wrote:

> Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
> the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
> hitting to the backhand..

Yes karma will be a bitch for Federer and his gay fanboys. (:


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 21:09:39
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
On 29 Jan, 19:08, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> ghell666 wrote:
> > Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
> > the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
> > hitting to the backhand..
>
> Good observation.
>
> --
> "Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
> singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"

thanks :)


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 21:08:34
From: TT
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
ghell666 wrote:
> Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
> the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
> hitting to the backhand..
>

Good observation.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:19:29
From: Scott
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
On Jan 29, 12:52=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Lax" <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d196e2a7-22f2-4d54-8f20-19c57e46f740@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 29, 5:12 am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 29 Jan, 10:09, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 29, 5:07 am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getti=
ng
> > > > the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
> > > > hitting to the backhand..
>
> > > This surface might not take Nadal's spin well enough for him to do
> > > that. Federer has usually beaten Nadal easily on low bouncing
> > > hardcourts (TMC matches).
>
> > Like Wimbledon ?
>
> > Nadals changed his game i.e. flatter shots and more emphasis on
> > power / shorter points..
>
> But agianst Federer he will unflatten a little because that matches up
> better with Fed.
>
> And Wimbledon takes spin way better than a low bouncing hardcourt.
>
> ***
>
> He did in Miami 04, almost did it in Miami 05, did it in Doha 06.
>
> YEC matches were routine wins for Federer but has Nadal ever played there=
in
> his best form?
>
> First he needs to beat Verdasco, but I expect a decent match afterwards.
> If Verdasco wins I won't be seeing the final, boring.-

shows what a tennis fan you really are. *sigh*.



 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 21:26:43
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
ghell666 wrote:
> Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
> the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
> hitting to the backhand..
>


Yes, Roger won't look as outclassed as Roddick does now but Rafa's
superiority will be obvious.

If Roger had Sampras' serving, net skill & power he'd beat Rafa - as it
is he's too soft & Rafa will simply run him into the ground.





 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 02:26:38
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
On 29 Jan, 10:15, Dave Hazelwood <the_big_kah...@mailcity.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:09:31 -0800 (PST), Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 29, 5:07=A0am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
> >> the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
> >> hitting to the backhand..
>
> >This surface might not take Nadal's spin well enough for him to do
> >that. =A0Federer has usually beaten Nadal easily on low bouncing
> >hardcourts (TMC matches).
>
> Rafa has no fucking chance.
>
> Verdasco has a better one in fact.

CODE VIOLATION - WARNING MR PECKERHEAD !


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 02:22:33
From: Lax
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
On Jan 29, 5:12=A0am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 29 Jan, 10:09, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 29, 5:07=A0am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
> > > the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
> > > hitting to the backhand..
>
> > This surface might not take Nadal's spin well enough for him to do
> > that. =A0Federer has usually beaten Nadal easily on low bouncing
> > hardcourts (TMC matches).
>
> Like Wimbledon ?
>
> Nadals changed his game i.e. flatter shots and more emphasis on
> power / shorter points..
>

But agianst Federer he will unflatten a little because that matches up
better with Fed.

And Wimbledon takes spin way better than a low bouncing hardcourt.


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 18:52:17
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..

"Lax" <Lax.Clarke@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:d196e2a7-22f2-4d54-8f20-19c57e46f740@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 5:12 am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 29 Jan, 10:09, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 29, 5:07 am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
> > > the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
> > > hitting to the backhand..
>
> > This surface might not take Nadal's spin well enough for him to do
> > that. Federer has usually beaten Nadal easily on low bouncing
> > hardcourts (TMC matches).
>
> Like Wimbledon ?
>
> Nadals changed his game i.e. flatter shots and more emphasis on
> power / shorter points..
>

But agianst Federer he will unflatten a little because that matches up
better with Fed.

And Wimbledon takes spin way better than a low bouncing hardcourt.

***

He did in Miami 04, almost did it in Miami 05, did it in Doha 06.

YEC matches were routine wins for Federer but has Nadal ever played there in
his best form?

First he needs to beat Verdasco, but I expect a decent match afterwards.
If Verdasco wins I won't be seeing the final, boring.




 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 02:12:57
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
On 29 Jan, 10:09, Lax <Lax.Cla...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 5:07=A0am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
> > the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
> > hitting to the backhand..
>
> This surface might not take Nadal's spin well enough for him to do
> that. =A0Federer has usually beaten Nadal easily on low bouncing
> hardcourts (TMC matches).

Like Wimbledon ?

Nadals changed his game i.e. flatter shots and more emphasis on
power / shorter points..

I honestly think Roddick is lot tougher mentally that Federer , hes
not got the same weapons but can you imagine Federer still playing to
the level Roddick is against him , if Nadal had such big winning
record over him ?

I guess we'll find out :)


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 21:20:04
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
On 29 Jan, 22:03, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article
> <19db0404-a054-4cfd-8bbd-cbe1f91a7...@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> matt.tip...@gmail.com (ghell666) wrote:
>
> > I honestly think Roddick is lot tougher mentally that Federer , hes
> > not got the same weapons but can you imagine Federer still playing
> > to
> > the level Roddick is against him , if Nadal had such big winning
> > record over him ?
>
> > I guess we'll find out :)
>
> Uh, yeah. How soon we forget that Federer at one stage had a substantial
> losing record to Nalbandian and Henman, both of which he successfully
> turned around.
>
> Do you really believe that someone who's won 13 Slams could *not* be
> mentally tough?
>
> wg

This is what I believe

I believe Roger peaked and pretty much ougrew everyone elses game to
the point he got used to it - a demon in itself as was mentioned by
him last year .

I dont think he has to be esp mentally tough because no - because he
wasnt challanged really during those year unless it was Nadal on clay
- but since Nadal has improved his game now Roger hasnt really
adapated or found a way to cope with playing him because he fears him
i.e. like deer caught in the headlights syndrome , he doesnt think or
seem capable of overcoming this fear .

Why is he scared - simple Nadal can outplay from the baseline , pass
him if he come into the net and get cheap points by hitting to his
backhand , there is just about no are of his game ( Rogers ) that can
cope with Nadals - esp the backhand and now prob forehand too.

Look at Roddick is the same scenario as with him and Nadal except hes
on the other end of giving the punishment - Roddick scenario is worse
than his - but i dont see Roddick giving up i.e. hes trying to adapt
change , Fed really hasnt done anything to his game other than hope
his shots go in .

Henman and Nalbandian hardly tell you much , you can see from their
careers how mentally weak they both were when it came to the crunch .

Hewitt was about the only one strong enough mentally to challange
Roger but his game fell away with his legs..



  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 16:03:50
From:
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
In article
<19db0404-a054-4cfd-8bbd-cbe1f91a76e0@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com >,
matt.tippen@gmail.com (ghell666) wrote:

>
> I honestly think Roddick is lot tougher mentally that Federer , hes
> not got the same weapons but can you imagine Federer still playing
> to
> the level Roddick is against him , if Nadal had such big winning
> record over him ?
>
> I guess we'll find out :)

Uh, yeah. How soon we forget that Federer at one stage had a substantial
losing record to Nalbandian and Henman, both of which he successfully
turned around.

Do you really believe that someone who's won 13 Slams could *not* be
mentally tough?

wg


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 02:09:31
From: Lax
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
On Jan 29, 5:07=A0am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
> the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
> hitting to the backhand..

This surface might not take Nadal's spin well enough for him to do
that. Federer has usually beaten Nadal easily on low bouncing
hardcourts (TMC matches).


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 21:31:15
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
Lax wrote:
> On Jan 29, 5:07 am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
>> the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
>> hitting to the backhand..
>
> This surface might not take Nadal's spin well enough for him to do
> that. Federer has usually beaten Nadal easily on low bouncing
> hardcourts (TMC matches).


er, the 1st time they played on HC's Rafa was a junior & Roger was at
peak & ranked No.1. Rafa tore him a new one 63 63 & the next match was
killing him 62 76 41. Roger has no advantage over Rafa on any surface,
including grass. The only reason he has some wins is due to 5 yrs
advantage in experience. Now that Rafa is peaking forget about it.





   
Date: 29 Jan 2009 21:08:12
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
On 29 Jan, 22:03, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <49818579$0$14891$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>=
,
>
> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
>
> > er, the 1st time they played on HC's Rafa was a junior & Roger was
> > at peak & ranked No.1. =A0Rafa tore him a new one 63 63 & the next
> > match was killing him 62 76 41. =A0Roger has no advantage over Rafa
> > on any surface, including grass. =A0The only reason he has some wins
> > is due to 5 yrs advantage in experience. =A0Now that Rafa is peaking
> > forget about it.
>
> Two YECs since, where Federer beat Nadal handily, both on hard courts.
>
> wg

Fair point , but everyone knows how beat up Nadal is at the end of the
year , he didnt even bother playing this year .


   
Date: 29 Jan 2009 16:03:51
From:
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
In article <49818579$0$14891$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au >,
beaver999@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:

>
> er, the 1st time they played on HC's Rafa was a junior & Roger was
> at peak & ranked No.1. Rafa tore him a new one 63 63 & the next
> match was killing him 62 76 41. Roger has no advantage over Rafa
> on any surface, including grass. The only reason he has some wins
> is due to 5 yrs advantage in experience. Now that Rafa is peaking
> forget about it.

Two YECs since, where Federer beat Nadal handily, both on hard courts.

wg


   
Date: 29 Jan 2009 22:05:13
From: john
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..

"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
news:49818579$0$14891$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Lax wrote:
>> On Jan 29, 5:07 am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
>>> the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
>>> hitting to the backhand..
>>
>> This surface might not take Nadal's spin well enough for him to do
>> that. Federer has usually beaten Nadal easily on low bouncing
>> hardcourts (TMC matches).
>
>
> er, the 1st time they played on HC's Rafa was a junior & Roger was at peak
> & ranked No.1. Rafa tore him a new one 63 63 & the next match was killing
> him 62 76 41. Roger has no advantage over Rafa on any surface, including
> grass. The only reason he has some wins is due to 5 yrs advantage in
> experience. Now that Rafa is peaking forget about it.

It is like telling Sampras that he has no advantage over Krajicek when
Sampras won
8 grand slam on hard court to Krajicek none, but Krajicek was ahead in head
to head
6:2 befoer he was injured. You are not fooling anyone here the first time
they played
in Miami Federer was sick, the next match Federer won.
>
>
>




  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:15:28
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: The most ironic thing about Fed pawning Roddick is..
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:09:31 -0800 (PST), Lax <Lax.Clarke@gmail.com >
wrote:

>On Jan 29, 5:07 am, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nadals going to do the very same thing to him in the final by getting
>> the same tatics used against him that hes using on Roddick i.e.
>> hitting to the backhand..
>
>This surface might not take Nadal's spin well enough for him to do
>that. Federer has usually beaten Nadal easily on low bouncing
>hardcourts (TMC matches).


Rafa has no fucking chance.

Verdasco has a better one in fact.