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Date: 28 Jan 2009 05:37:30
From: El Dude
Subject: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports


We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
relative to their populations.

Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
two countries cannot even compare to them.




 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 10:28:59
From: alexneo
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 7:33=A0pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 1:37=A0pm, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> > relative to their populations.
>
> > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>
> What about us brits - we actually had the :
>
> 1) F1 World Champ - Lewis Hamilton
> 2) Highest in Europe at olympics - Came 4th in World. ( Above
> Australia -- lightyears ahead of spain)
> 3) Andy Murray, had a good year, no?
> 4) Our cricket team will win back ashes this year
> 5) Rugby team in last 2 wc finals
> 6) Phil 'the power taylor' - 14 times darts world champion
> 7) Ronnie O Sullivan still tearing up the cloth on the snooker tables.
> 8) Footie team doing excellently under Capello.
> 9) Golf - Spain only have three players in the worlds top 30 ---
> england have --- 5
> 10) Hatton the Haymaker and Calzaghe all had excellent years.
> 11) Man United won the champions league
>
> I think we kick spains ass, no?

Ummm, no.


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 10:27:58
From: alexneo
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 5:06=A0pm, rsxkid2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:17=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:

> Canada is an entity in all major sports in which we compete. Talking
> about our non presence in soccer is like faulting Spain for sucking at
> hockey or skiing.


What are you talking about. European Football IS the sport of all
sports. FIFA World Cup is the most watched event in the world. You
can't compare hockey or skiing with football.


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 09:33:05
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 1:37=A0pm, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> relative to their populations.
>
> Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> two countries cannot even compare to them.

What about us brits - we actually had the :

1) F1 World Champ - Lewis Hamilton
2) Highest in Europe at olympics - Came 4th in World. ( Above
Australia -- lightyears ahead of spain)
3) Andy Murray, had a good year, no?
4) Our cricket team will win back ashes this year
5) Rugby team in last 2 wc finals
6) Phil 'the power taylor' - 14 times darts world champion
7) Ronnie O Sullivan still tearing up the cloth on the snooker tables.
8) Footie team doing excellently under Capello.
9) Golf - Spain only have three players in the worlds top 30 ---
england have --- 5
10) Hatton the Haymaker and Calzaghe all had excellent years.
11) Man United won the champions league


I think we kick spains ass, no?


  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:23:21
From: viper
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports

"Professor X" <suebokaian@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:d5b00001-2def-4018-b6e8-9ba12284dced@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 28, 1:37 pm, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> relative to their populations.
>
> Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> two countries cannot even compare to them.

What about us brits - we actually had the :

1) F1 World Champ - Lewis Hamilton

Yes, his forbears decided to emigrate

2) Highest in Europe at olympics - Came 4th in World. ( Above
Australia -- lightyears ahead of spain)

You have been underperformers since 1896, you fine tune an outstanding
doping programme, the likes of which Dr Ferrari would be proud and Hoy
and his mates clean up at the Velodrome.....big fucking deal, one swallow
does not make a summer....take those Golds out of your tally is pathetic for
your spend

3) Andy Murray, had a good year, no?

He's a Scot, can't stand being called British

4) Our cricket team will win back ashes this year

You won them for the first time in 18 years in 2005, off the back of
of key Australian injuries, you promptly lose them 5-0 in 07', no one'
with half a brain wants to captain the outfit and your going to win the
Ashes ? Fantasyland

5) Rugby team in last 2 wc finals

Don't even go there, you are pathetic at Rugby, save for your 03'
RWC win, again off the back of a massive spend

6) Phil 'the power taylor' - 14 times darts world champion

Now your scraping the bottom of the barrel, bog snorkeling next ?

7) Ronnie O Sullivan still tearing up the cloth on the snooker tables.

Oh Jesus

8) Footie team doing excellently under Capello.

Another bunch of underachievers. You cunts won't play us again, after
what we did to you in 2002. The FA, despite a lot of communication, don't
want to know.
Our blokes don't have the salaries, but their balls and hearts are
significantly larger.
How funny is it that an Italian now appears to be your saviour, after years
of you pricks looking
down on 'wogs'

9) Golf - Spain only have three players in the worlds top 30 ---
england have --- 5
10) Hatton the Haymaker and Calzaghe all had excellent years.

Hatton got bashed by Mayweather and Calzaghe is Welsh

11) Man United won the champions league

Tevez, Ronaldo, Berbatov, Park


I think we kick spains ass, no?

No, I think you Poms make a lot of noise for having had one Olympic golden
run last year

The natural order of things will be restored soon enough


Viper




 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 07:42:50
From: williemeikle
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 10:37=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> relative to their populations.
>
> Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> two countries cannot even compare to them.

Who are the current European Club champions in football?
Who are the current World champions in football?
Who won the two most recent Golf majors?
What nationality is the Formula One Champion?
Which country won most cycling golds at both World Championships and
the Olympics?

The answer to all of these is NOT Spain, so I would hardly say they
are dominating the world of sport.

Willie

http://www.williammeikle.com


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 07:06:58
From:
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 9:17=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:11=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 28, 8:37=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> > > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most o=
f
> > > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population o=
f
> > > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> > > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the worl=
d
> > > relative to their populations.
>
> > Spain has indeed enjoyed impressive results in quite a few major
> > sports (by no means "utter dominance," however), especially relative
> > to its size. Congratulations. But there are usually gaps in any
> > nation's sports resume. For example, Spain is a nonentity in winter
> > sports. And there are other examples.
>
> > > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> > > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>
> > Total Winter Olympics medals, all-time:
> > Canada -- 119
> > Australia -- 6
> > Spain -- 2
>
> > It depends on what you choose to compare.
>
> Indeed.
>
> World Championships of Bullfighting
>
> Spain 437
> Canada 0
>
> I'm talking about major sports. Canada is a non entity in any major
> sport (they might be very good in curling though).

Ahaha, you're talking about major sports but you include cycling? Why
not throw in team handball also, Spain is apparently amazing at that.
And Formula 1, what a sport.

Canada is an entity in all major sports in which we compete. Talking
about our non presence in soccer is like faulting Spain for sucking at
hockey or skiing.

Altogether, Canada has 379 Olympic medals and Spain has 115. Even if
we only take into account Summer Olympics, Canada is ahead 216-113. So
using the most objective measure, it's not even close.

Matt



 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:55:54
From: El Dude
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 9:49=A0am, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 5:37=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> > relative to their populations.
>
> > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>
> ++ Spain vs Canada in a(n) (ice) hockey tournament for world sporting
> domination... I like out odds! Can Ronaldo and Rafa skate?
>
> P

The only guy I know that can ice skate in Spain is Schuster (former
Real Madrid coach). Unfortunately he is german. But I'd still like
Spain over Canada in any sport (they are canadians after all).


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:49:19
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 5:37=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> relative to their populations.
>
> Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> two countries cannot even compare to them.

++ Spain vs Canada in a(n) (ice) hockey tournament for world sporting
domination... I like out odds! Can Ronaldo and Rafa skate?

P



  
Date: 28 Jan 2009 11:52:50
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
Patrick Kehoe <pkehoe@telus.net > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 5:37 am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>> We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
>> formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
>> the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
>> Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
>> country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
>> relative to their populations.
>>
>> Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
>> two countries cannot even compare to them.
>
> ++ Spain vs Canada in a(n) (ice) hockey tournament for world sporting
> domination... I like out odds! Can Ronaldo and Rafa skate?

There's no spanish Ronaldo. There's a portuguese one, and a couple of brazilian
ones.


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:45:00
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 9:37=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:29=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 28, 9:17=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 28, 9:11=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 28, 8:37=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycli=
ng,
> > > > > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in mo=
st of
> > > > > the major sports around the world. Considering the small populati=
on of
> > > > > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (=
this
> > > > > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the =
world
> > > > > relative to their populations.
>
> > > > Spain has indeed enjoyed impressive results in quite a few major
> > > > sports (by no means "utter dominance," however), especially relativ=
e
> > > > to its size. Congratulations. But there are usually gaps in any
> > > > nation's sports resume. For example, Spain is a nonentity in winter
> > > > sports. And there are other examples.
>
> > > > > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to tho=
se
> > > > > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>
> > > > Total Winter Olympics medals, all-time:
> > > > Canada -- 119
> > > > Australia -- 6
> > > > Spain -- 2
>
> > > > It depends on what you choose to compare.
>
> > > Indeed.
>
> > > World Championships of Bullfighting
>
> > > Spain 437
> > > Canada 0
>
> > > I'm talking about major sports. Canada is a non entity in any major
> > > sport (they might be very good in curling though).
>
> > Now you are simply being disingenuous for the sake of defending your
> > initial hyperbole, which I expected from you, unfortunately. There are
> > very, very few sports that can truly be called worldwide. Winter
> > sports are not among them. However, there is *no question* that the
> > primary winter sports (skiing/snowboarding and ice hockey) are "major"
> > sports, considering the number of nations that do participate actively
> > (and the populations these nations represent), their popularity among
> > amateurs, media coverage, money spent, etc. This is in stark contrast
> > to something like bullfighting, which is extremely culturally
> > restricted and in many nonparticipating nations is considered the
> > antithesis of a sport (and I've attended a live bullfight, so I'm
> > familiar with it).
>
> > Don't bite off more than you can chew. Spain has had great results in
> > some big sports -- just stick with that.
>
> > Joe Ramirez
>
> I just find it hilarious that you are trying to compare Canada to
> Spain in sports just because they won some sort of ice fishing contest
> in 1873.

OK, you've gone past disingenous straight into dumb. Goodbye.

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:37:37
From: El Dude
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 9:29=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:17=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 28, 9:11=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 28, 8:37=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling=
,
> > > > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most=
of
> > > > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population=
of
> > > > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (th=
is
> > > > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the wo=
rld
> > > > relative to their populations.
>
> > > Spain has indeed enjoyed impressive results in quite a few major
> > > sports (by no means "utter dominance," however), especially relative
> > > to its size. Congratulations. But there are usually gaps in any
> > > nation's sports resume. For example, Spain is a nonentity in winter
> > > sports. And there are other examples.
>
> > > > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> > > > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>
> > > Total Winter Olympics medals, all-time:
> > > Canada -- 119
> > > Australia -- 6
> > > Spain -- 2
>
> > > It depends on what you choose to compare.
>
> > Indeed.
>
> > World Championships of Bullfighting
>
> > Spain 437
> > Canada 0
>
> > I'm talking about major sports. Canada is a non entity in any major
> > sport (they might be very good in curling though).
>
> Now you are simply being disingenuous for the sake of defending your
> initial hyperbole, which I expected from you, unfortunately. There are
> very, very few sports that can truly be called worldwide. Winter
> sports are not among them. However, there is *no question* that the
> primary winter sports (skiing/snowboarding and ice hockey) are "major"
> sports, considering the number of nations that do participate actively
> (and the populations these nations represent), their popularity among
> amateurs, media coverage, money spent, etc. This is in stark contrast
> to something like bullfighting, which is extremely culturally
> restricted and in many nonparticipating nations is considered the
> antithesis of a sport (and I've attended a live bullfight, so I'm
> familiar with it).
>
> Don't bite off more than you can chew. Spain has had great results in
> some big sports -- just stick with that.
>
> Joe Ramirez


I just find it hilarious that you are trying to compare Canada to
Spain in sports just because they won some sort of ice fishing contest
in 1873. That's why I made the bullfighting reference to show you how
stupid it is to talk about "local sports".. But you already knew that.







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Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:31:52
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 9:28=A0am, GOAT <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2:14 pm, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 28, 9:04 am, GOAT <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 28, 1:37 pm, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling=
,
> > > > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most=
of
> > > > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population=
of
> > > > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (th=
is
> > > > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the wo=
rld
> > > > relative to their populations.
>
> > > > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> > > > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>
> > > Spain certainly had a very successful year in sports in 2008, with
> > > Nadal, Euro 2008 and the Tour de France champ (Contador ?). They are
> > > not dominant in golf or basketball though, and Alonso is a one-off in
> > > F1.
>
> > Spain are the current World Champions of basketball and won the silver
> > medal in the China Olympic games. How dominant can you get?. Alonso is
> > a 2 times World Champion of Formula 1, Sergio Garcia is the #2 ranked
> > player in the World in golf and Spain won the Giro de Italia, Tour de
> > Franca and Vuelta a ESpana in 2008. They swept all three majors in
> > cycling. Again, how dominant can you get?.
>
> At basketball they are a fluke. Garcia and Alonso are one-off
> individuals, it's not like Spain has a history of great performance in
> their sports.

Don't forget about Seve Ballesteros. However, I agree that it's silly
to call Spain "dominant" in golf. How many majors has Garcia won,
again? Remind me.

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:29:08
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 9:17=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:11=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 28, 8:37=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> > > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most o=
f
> > > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population o=
f
> > > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> > > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the worl=
d
> > > relative to their populations.
>
> > Spain has indeed enjoyed impressive results in quite a few major
> > sports (by no means "utter dominance," however), especially relative
> > to its size. Congratulations. But there are usually gaps in any
> > nation's sports resume. For example, Spain is a nonentity in winter
> > sports. And there are other examples.
>
> > > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> > > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>
> > Total Winter Olympics medals, all-time:
> > Canada -- 119
> > Australia -- 6
> > Spain -- 2
>
> > It depends on what you choose to compare.
>
> Indeed.
>
> World Championships of Bullfighting
>
> Spain 437
> Canada 0
>
> I'm talking about major sports. Canada is a non entity in any major
> sport (they might be very good in curling though).

Now you are simply being disingenuous for the sake of defending your
initial hyperbole, which I expected from you, unfortunately. There are
very, very few sports that can truly be called worldwide. Winter
sports are not among them. However, there is *no question* that the
primary winter sports (skiing/snowboarding and ice hockey) are "major"
sports, considering the number of nations that do participate actively
(and the populations these nations represent), their popularity among
amateurs, media coverage, money spent, etc. This is in stark contrast
to something like bullfighting, which is extremely culturally
restricted and in many nonparticipating nations is considered the
antithesis of a sport (and I've attended a live bullfight, so I'm
familiar with it).

Don't bite off more than you can chew. Spain has had great results in
some big sports -- just stick with that.

Joe Ramirez


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:28:57
From: GOAT
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 2:14 pm, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:04 am, GOAT <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 28, 1:37 pm, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> > > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> > > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> > > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> > > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> > > relative to their populations.
>
> > > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> > > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>
> > Spain certainly had a very successful year in sports in 2008, with
> > Nadal, Euro 2008 and the Tour de France champ (Contador ?). They are
> > not dominant in golf or basketball though, and Alonso is a one-off in
> > F1.
>
> Spain are the current World Champions of basketball and won the silver
> medal in the China Olympic games. How dominant can you get?. Alonso is
> a 2 times World Champion of Formula 1, Sergio Garcia is the #2 ranked
> player in the World in golf and Spain won the Giro de Italia, Tour de
> Franca and Vuelta a ESpana in 2008. They swept all three majors in
> cycling. Again, how dominant can you get?.

At basketball they are a fluke. Garcia and Alonso are one-off
individuals, it's not like Spain has a history of great performance in
their sports.

Also may I remind that prior to last summer, Spain had waited over 40
years for both a trophy for their national football team, and a male
Wimbledon champ. One great year does not make Spain utterly dominant.


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:17:17
From: El Dude
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 9:11=A0am, Joe Ramirez <josephmrami...@netzero.com > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 8:37=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> > relative to their populations.
>
> Spain has indeed enjoyed impressive results in quite a few major
> sports (by no means "utter dominance," however), especially relative
> to its size. Congratulations. But there are usually gaps in any
> nation's sports resume. For example, Spain is a nonentity in winter
> sports. And there are other examples.
>
> > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>
> Total Winter Olympics medals, all-time:
> Canada -- 119
> Australia -- 6
> Spain -- 2
>
> It depends on what you choose to compare.

Indeed.

World Championships of Bullfighting

Spain 437
Canada 0

I'm talking about major sports. Canada is a non entity in any major
sport (they might be very good in curling though).

>
> Joe Ramirez



 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:14:19
From: El Dude
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 9:04=A0am, GOAT <thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 1:37 pm, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> > relative to their populations.
>
> > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>
> Spain certainly had a very successful year in sports in 2008, with
> Nadal, Euro 2008 and the Tour de France champ (Contador ?). They are
> not dominant in golf or basketball though, and Alonso is a one-off in
> F1.

Spain are the current World Champions of basketball and won the silver
medal in the China Olympic games. How dominant can you get?. Alonso is
a 2 times World Champion of Formula 1, Sergio Garcia is the #2 ranked
player in the World in golf and Spain won the Giro de Italia, Tour de
Franca and Vuelta a ESpana in 2008. They swept all three majors in
cycling. Again, how dominant can you get?.


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:12:11
From:
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports

> Alonso is a one-off in
> F1.

A 2-off


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:11:57
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 8:37=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> relative to their populations.

Spain has indeed enjoyed impressive results in quite a few major
sports (by no means "utter dominance," however), especially relative
to its size. Congratulations. But there are usually gaps in any
nation's sports resume. For example, Spain is a nonentity in winter
sports. And there are other examples.

> Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> two countries cannot even compare to them.

Total Winter Olympics medals, all-time:
Canada -- 119
Australia -- 6
Spain -- 2

It depends on what you choose to compare.

Joe Ramirez



  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 09:39:07
From: viper
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports

"Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote in message
news:637ea5da-b804-4678-b1dd-bcaa94cb8b5a@v15g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 28, 8:37 am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> relative to their populations.

Spain has indeed enjoyed impressive results in quite a few major
sports (by no means "utter dominance," however), especially relative
to its size. Congratulations. But there are usually gaps in any
nation's sports resume. For example, Spain is a nonentity in winter
sports. And there are other examples.

> Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> two countries cannot even compare to them.

Total Winter Olympics medals, all-time:
Canada -- 119
Australia -- 6
Spain -- 2

It depends on what you choose to compare.

Joe Ramirez


Total Summer Olympic medals, all - time

Australia 432
Spain 113

I must say that Spain have an outstanding Tennis programme/s, whatever
it/they
may be. Once upon a time they only punched out clay court clones, who
thought
a net was used or fishing, but their production line at present is World's
best...

We could do worse than import some of their programmes/coaches to Australia,
where our Tennis is now a local laughing stock.

Basketball is exempt from any serious discussion. Grown men on a sprung
floor, throwing
a ball into an elevated basket..........'gangsta bro' LOL


Viper




 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:10:58
From: El Dude
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 8:40=A0am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 8:37=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> > relative to their populations.
>
> > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>
> Spain has the most doping in the world.

That's a rather simpleton view of the situation, don't you think?.
Spanish athletes go through the same doping controls as the rest of
the world. The only country that could be argued to use masive doping
to increase their performance is the USA. For example the american
basketball players were EXEMPT from doping controls during the Olympic
games till 8 years ago. Otherwise they wouldn't show up. Isn't that
outrageous?.

There's proven heavy use of steroids and other performace enhancenment
drugs in the MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL. Most of it has to do with the fact
that they are NOT under international doping control organizations.
The lack of doping control in these leagues has been legendary up till
recently. Even now Pau Gasol of the LA Lakers has said that he's seen
players smoking marihuana before NBA games. That's how tight doping
controls are in the US. Spain could only dream of having such lax
regulation.


  
Date: 28 Jan 2009 17:42:54
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:10:58 -0800 (PST), El Dude
<surfbandido@aol.com > wrote:

>On Jan 28, 8:40 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 28, 8:37 am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
>> > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
>> > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
>> > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
>> > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
>> > relative to their populations.
>>
>> > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
>> > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>>
>> Spain has the most doping in the world.
>
>That's a rather simpleton view of the situation, don't you think?.
>Spanish athletes go through the same doping controls as the rest of
>the world. The only country that could be argued to use masive doping
>to increase their performance is the USA. For example the american
>basketball players were EXEMPT from doping controls during the Olympic
>games till 8 years ago. Otherwise they wouldn't show up. Isn't that
>outrageous?.
>
>There's proven heavy use of steroids and other performace enhancenment
>drugs in the MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL. Most of it has to do with the fact
>that they are NOT under international doping control organizations.
>The lack of doping control in these leagues has been legendary up till
>recently. Even now Pau Gasol of the LA Lakers has said that he's seen
>players smoking marihuana before NBA games. That's how tight doping
>controls are in the US. Spain could only dream of having such lax
>regulation.

But Spain is a kind of "doping centre" of Europe. All the coaches and
athletes from other countries are involved with Spanish doctors and
other Spanish people in doping questions. Everyone knows that.


   
Date: 28 Jan 2009 20:29:41
From: Bob
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports

"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com > wrote
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:10:58 -0800 (PST), El Dude
> <surfbandido@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 28, 8:40 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> Spain has the most doping in the world.
> >
> >That's a rather simpleton view of the situation, don't you think?.
> >Spanish athletes go through the same doping controls as the rest of
> >the world. The only country that could be argued to use masive doping
> >to increase their performance is the USA. For example the american
> >basketball players were EXEMPT from doping controls during the Olympic
> >games till 8 years ago. Otherwise they wouldn't show up. Isn't that
> >outrageous?.
> >
> >There's proven heavy use of steroids and other performace enhancenment
> >drugs in the MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL. Most of it has to do with the fact
> >that they are NOT under international doping control organizations.
> >The lack of doping control in these leagues has been legendary up till
> >recently. Even now Pau Gasol of the LA Lakers has said that he's seen
> >players smoking marihuana before NBA games. That's how tight doping
> >controls are in the US. Spain could only dream of having such lax
> >regulation.
>
> But Spain is a kind of "doping centre" of Europe. All the coaches and
> athletes from other countries are involved with Spanish doctors and
> other Spanish people in doping questions. Everyone knows that.

Are more spanish athletes caught for doping than those of other
nationalities? I don't think that it is the case. They have a number of them
in cycling but they aren't alone.





    
Date: 29 Jan 2009 15:55:06
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:29:41 -0800, "Bob" <Bob@bob.com > wrote:

>
>"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com> wrote
>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:10:58 -0800 (PST), El Dude
>> <surfbandido@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jan 28, 8:40 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >> Spain has the most doping in the world.
>> >
>> >That's a rather simpleton view of the situation, don't you think?.
>> >Spanish athletes go through the same doping controls as the rest of
>> >the world. The only country that could be argued to use masive doping
>> >to increase their performance is the USA. For example the american
>> >basketball players were EXEMPT from doping controls during the Olympic
>> >games till 8 years ago. Otherwise they wouldn't show up. Isn't that
>> >outrageous?.
>> >
>> >There's proven heavy use of steroids and other performace enhancenment
>> >drugs in the MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL. Most of it has to do with the fact
>> >that they are NOT under international doping control organizations.
>> >The lack of doping control in these leagues has been legendary up till
>> >recently. Even now Pau Gasol of the LA Lakers has said that he's seen
>> >players smoking marihuana before NBA games. That's how tight doping
>> >controls are in the US. Spain could only dream of having such lax
>> >regulation.
>>
>> But Spain is a kind of "doping centre" of Europe. All the coaches and
>> athletes from other countries are involved with Spanish doctors and
>> other Spanish people in doping questions. Everyone knows that.
>
>Are more spanish athletes caught for doping than those of other
>nationalities? I don't think that it is the case. They have a number of them
>in cycling but they aren't alone.

No, I am saying they have the best laboratories and doctors and doping
knowledge there. A good example is the Finnish cross country skiing
coach, who got lifetime ban, when 6 skiers were caught in 2001. He has
recently talked a lot about these things, and he has said he used to
go to Spain to talk about doping things, because (rough translation)
"In Moscow and Spain they were researchers, and as I understand, they
were top guys. Of course they don't understand anything about cross
country skiing in Spain, but they co-operated with, Juventus, cycling,
and whatever".



     
Date: 29 Jan 2009 13:38:45
From: Bob
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports

"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com > wrote
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:29:41 -0800, "Bob" <Bob@bob.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com> wrote
> >> But Spain is a kind of "doping centre" of Europe. All the coaches and
> >> athletes from other countries are involved with Spanish doctors and
> >> other Spanish people in doping questions. Everyone knows that.
> >
> >Are more spanish athletes caught for doping than those of other
> >nationalities? I don't think that it is the case. They have a number of
them
> >in cycling but they aren't alone.
>
> No, I am saying they have the best laboratories and doctors and doping
> knowledge there. A good example is the Finnish cross country skiing
> coach, who got lifetime ban, when 6 skiers were caught in 2001. He has
> recently talked a lot about these things, and he has said he used to
> go to Spain to talk about doping things, because (rough translation)
> "In Moscow and Spain they were researchers, and as I understand, they
> were top guys. Of course they don't understand anything about cross
> country skiing in Spain, but they co-operated with, Juventus, cycling,
> and whatever".

You'd think that being a "doping centre" would translate into more athletes
being caught, but perhaps not. I am also not aware of more than one busted
outfit (Fuentes'), albeit it was a large one, and I am not sure wether it
was any bigger than that of Ferrari or Balco.




   
Date: 28 Jan 2009 16:53:41
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports

"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com > wrote in message
news:f2v0o418ed0l0novplhqcdg56lb2f7bst4@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:10:58 -0800 (PST), El Dude
> <surfbandido@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 28, 8:40 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 28, 8:37 am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
>>> > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
>>> > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
>>> > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
>>> > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
>>> > relative to their populations.
>>>
>>> > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
>>> > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>>>
>>> Spain has the most doping in the world.
>>
>>That's a rather simpleton view of the situation, don't you think?.
>>Spanish athletes go through the same doping controls as the rest of
>>the world. The only country that could be argued to use masive doping
>>to increase their performance is the USA. For example the american
>>basketball players were EXEMPT from doping controls during the Olympic
>>games till 8 years ago. Otherwise they wouldn't show up. Isn't that
>>outrageous?.
>>
>>There's proven heavy use of steroids and other performace enhancenment
>>drugs in the MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL. Most of it has to do with the fact
>>that they are NOT under international doping control organizations.
>>The lack of doping control in these leagues has been legendary up till
>>recently. Even now Pau Gasol of the LA Lakers has said that he's seen
>>players smoking marihuana before NBA games. That's how tight doping
>>controls are in the US. Spain could only dream of having such lax
>>regulation.
>
> But Spain is a kind of "doping centre" of Europe. All the coaches and
> athletes from other countries are involved with Spanish doctors and
> other Spanish people in doping questions. Everyone knows that.

I hear it for the first time.
I always had America and Argentina in my mind.




    
Date: 28 Jan 2009 18:20:27
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:53:41 +0100, "*skriptis"
<skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

>
>"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.com> wrote in message
>news:f2v0o418ed0l0novplhqcdg56lb2f7bst4@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:10:58 -0800 (PST), El Dude
>> <surfbandido@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 28, 8:40 am, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 28, 8:37 am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
>>>> > formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
>>>> > the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
>>>> > Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
>>>> > country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
>>>> > relative to their populations.
>>>>
>>>> > Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
>>>> > two countries cannot even compare to them.
>>>>
>>>> Spain has the most doping in the world.
>>>
>>>That's a rather simpleton view of the situation, don't you think?.
>>>Spanish athletes go through the same doping controls as the rest of
>>>the world. The only country that could be argued to use masive doping
>>>to increase their performance is the USA. For example the american
>>>basketball players were EXEMPT from doping controls during the Olympic
>>>games till 8 years ago. Otherwise they wouldn't show up. Isn't that
>>>outrageous?.
>>>
>>>There's proven heavy use of steroids and other performace enhancenment
>>>drugs in the MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL. Most of it has to do with the fact
>>>that they are NOT under international doping control organizations.
>>>The lack of doping control in these leagues has been legendary up till
>>>recently. Even now Pau Gasol of the LA Lakers has said that he's seen
>>>players smoking marihuana before NBA games. That's how tight doping
>>>controls are in the US. Spain could only dream of having such lax
>>>regulation.
>>
>> But Spain is a kind of "doping centre" of Europe. All the coaches and
>> athletes from other countries are involved with Spanish doctors and
>> other Spanish people in doping questions. Everyone knows that.
>
>I hear it for the first time.
>I always had America and Argentina in my mind.

USA is of course a case of its own. The doping control is a joke
there, especially in the leagues like NBA and NHL. In Europe, it is
much stricter, but in the European level, Spain is the centre.



 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 06:04:03
From: GOAT
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 1:37 pm, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> relative to their populations.
>
> Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> two countries cannot even compare to them.

Spain certainly had a very successful year in sports in 2008, with
Nadal, Euro 2008 and the Tour de France champ (Contador ?). They are
not dominant in golf or basketball though, and Alonso is a one-off in
F1.


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 05:40:45
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: The utter dominance of Spain in the World of Sports
On Jan 28, 8:37=A0am, El Dude <surfband...@aol.com > wrote:
> We are talking football (soccer), basketball, golf, tennis, cycling,
> formula 1....... you name it Spain got it. Spain has a grip in most of
> the major sports around the world. Considering the small population of
> Spain is quite an achievement. I'd say that Spain and Australia (this
> country in lesser sports) are the most dominant countries in the world
> relative to their populations.
>
> Canada with a similar population and degree of development to those
> two countries cannot even compare to them.

Spain has the most doping in the world.