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Date: 31 Jan 2009 17:42:09
From: m4816k
Subject: The worst thing of all...
...is that whoever wins, the other guy's fans will torture us here for
months with a zillion excuses of why it happened. Even when Fed surpasses
Pete's record no Nadal fan will give him credit, and the same thing will
happen to Nadal by Fed's fans if he wins slams on all surfaces.






 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 08:54:39
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: The worst thing of all...
On Jan 31, 8:42=A0am, "m4816k" <marijan.kovacevicREMOVET...@os.t-com.hr >
wrote:
> ...is that whoever wins, the other guy's fans will torture us here for
> months with a zillion excuses of why it happened. Even when Fed surpasses
> Pete's record no Nadal fan will give him credit, and the same thing will
> happen to Nadal by Fed's fans if he wins slams on all surfaces.

++ That's very likely, almost a given as you say... certainly if Nadal
wins Fed fans will have a bitter pill to swallow... if Fed wins the
joy of him having reached 14 should be enough... Nadal's game is not
really constructed to be a dominant hc game... he's a defensive player
with reserve power to turn returns into balls that allow him to take
over from otherwise very passive positions and for that he must be
able to move and wheel at top speed... as long as he can move like he
does he will be able to believe so completely in what he does... his
never say die will flows from his physicality as movement and
endurance... like Connors in that sense... when the movement as court
coverage slipped he still had the endurance and so was able to
grinding ALMOST against reality... it astounded even Johnny Mac for a
while... Connors had great knee joints though :))

P


 
Date: 31 Jan 2009 08:49:37
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: The worst thing of all...
On Jan 31, 10:42=A0am, "m4816k" <marijan.kovacevicREMOVET...@os.t-
com.hr > wrote:
> ...is that whoever wins, the other guy's fans will torture us here for
> months with a zillion excuses of why it happened. Even when Fed surpasses
> Pete's record no Nadal fan will give him credit, and the same thing will
> happen to Nadal by Fed's fans if he wins slams on all surfaces.

Federer fans have no reason not to give Rafa credit. Rafa has earned
everything he has gotten so far, inspite of protestations to the
contrary by many. They said Fed will win French before Rafa wins
Wimbledon (if ever), it turned out the other way round. They said
Nadal can't play on hardcourts, he has proven them wrong by winning on
the fast courts of the Beijing Olympics and now likely this Australian
Open. One thing we have to remember is that Nadal has beaten Fed in
all of his slams, so no one, and I mean NO ONE, can say he has had it
easy and doesn't deserve what he has gotten.


  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 09:23:20
From:
Subject: Re: The worst thing of all...
On Jan 31, 12:04=A0pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 8:50=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 31, 10:49=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 31, 10:42=A0am, "m4816k" <marijan.kovacevicREMOVET...@os.t-
>
> > > com.hr> wrote:
> > > > ...is that whoever wins, the other guy's fans will torture us here =
for
> > > > months with a zillion excuses of why it happened. Even when Fed sur=
passes
> > > > Pete's record no Nadal fan will give him credit, and the same thing=
will
> > > > happen to Nadal by Fed's fans if he wins slams on all surfaces.
>
> > > Federer fans have no reason not to give Rafa credit. Rafa has earned
> > > everything he has gotten so far, inspite of protestations to the
> > > contrary by many. They said Fed will win French before Rafa wins
> > > Wimbledon (if ever), it turned out the other way round. They said
> > > Nadal can't play on hardcourts, he has proven them wrong by winning o=
n
> > > the fast courts of the Beijing Olympics and now likely this Australia=
n
> > > Open. One thing we have to remember is that Nadal has beaten Fed in
> > > all of his slams, so no one, and I mean NO ONE, can say he has had it
> > > easy and doesn't deserve what he has gotten.
>
> > By the way, I will also add I myself have been guilty of
> > underestimating Nadal right from the start - he turned out to be much,
> > much better and bigger talent than I thought he was. My bad...- Hide qu=
oted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> ++ Yep... you have to give major cred to Nadal... he's just the
> toughest guy you could possibly imagine coming up against every single
> time... the only Fed-Nadal wipe out for Fed was that YEC in 2007? I
> think it was 2007... Nadal was just out of it... Fed just had him on a
> string the same way Nadal brutalized Fed at the French last spring...
> from Nadal's side of things, I think this is a major step mentally for
> him to get through all the way to a final and he's likely to be fairly
> confident playing Fed OR AS MUCH as he could be given how the
> tournament evolved... straight up it's still a tough match for Nadal
> because Fed is very good when at top form on hc and Nadal is very
> aware of that; JUST AT ROGER knows the mental match up, the grind and
> grating physicality of their head to heads comes down to execution
> under pressure and maximizing the survival instincts, which at
> essence, is Rafa's game not his...

Both have proven they can come up with the goods under pressure at
crunch time. At Wimby 07,
it was Fed who fought off break points in the fifth to stay on serve.

And then it was also Fed who came up with the goods to break twice
later in that set.

We're talking two all-time champs. If Rafa has somehow recovered from
that brutal semi, the longest match in
the 100-year history of the tournament, then he certainly has an
excellent chance. But that's a tall order.


  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 09:04:56
From: Patrick Kehoe
Subject: Re: The worst thing of all...
On Jan 31, 8:50=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 10:49=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 31, 10:42=A0am, "m4816k" <marijan.kovacevicREMOVET...@os.t-
>
> > com.hr> wrote:
> > > ...is that whoever wins, the other guy's fans will torture us here fo=
r
> > > months with a zillion excuses of why it happened. Even when Fed surpa=
sses
> > > Pete's record no Nadal fan will give him credit, and the same thing w=
ill
> > > happen to Nadal by Fed's fans if he wins slams on all surfaces.
>
> > Federer fans have no reason not to give Rafa credit. Rafa has earned
> > everything he has gotten so far, inspite of protestations to the
> > contrary by many. They said Fed will win French before Rafa wins
> > Wimbledon (if ever), it turned out the other way round. They said
> > Nadal can't play on hardcourts, he has proven them wrong by winning on
> > the fast courts of the Beijing Olympics and now likely this Australian
> > Open. One thing we have to remember is that Nadal has beaten Fed in
> > all of his slams, so no one, and I mean NO ONE, can say he has had it
> > easy and doesn't deserve what he has gotten.
>
> By the way, I will also add I myself have been guilty of
> underestimating Nadal right from the start - he turned out to be much,
> much better and bigger talent than I thought he was. My bad...- Hide quot=
ed text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

++ Yep... you have to give major cred to Nadal... he's just the
toughest guy you could possibly imagine coming up against every single
time... the only Fed-Nadal wipe out for Fed was that YEC in 2007? I
think it was 2007... Nadal was just out of it... Fed just had him on a
string the same way Nadal brutalized Fed at the French last spring...
from Nadal's side of things, I think this is a major step mentally for
him to get through all the way to a final and he's likely to be fairly
confident playing Fed OR AS MUCH as he could be given how the
tournament evolved... straight up it's still a tough match for Nadal
because Fed is very good when at top form on hc and Nadal is very
aware of that; JUST AT ROGER knows the mental match up, the grind and
grating physicality of their head to heads comes down to execution
under pressure and maximizing the survival instincts, which at
essence, is Rafa's game not his... if Fed can flow he will do very
well or find periods of that game within the struggle they always
produce... if Rafa can keep it close and pressurize Federer's
champagne tennis aesthetics he knows he can find cracks...

P


  
Date: 31 Jan 2009 08:50:33
From: RahimAsif
Subject: Re: The worst thing of all...
On Jan 31, 10:49=A0am, RahimAsif <RahimA...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 10:42=A0am, "m4816k" <marijan.kovacevicREMOVET...@os.t-
>
> com.hr> wrote:
> > ...is that whoever wins, the other guy's fans will torture us here for
> > months with a zillion excuses of why it happened. Even when Fed surpass=
es
> > Pete's record no Nadal fan will give him credit, and the same thing wil=
l
> > happen to Nadal by Fed's fans if he wins slams on all surfaces.
>
> Federer fans have no reason not to give Rafa credit. Rafa has earned
> everything he has gotten so far, inspite of protestations to the
> contrary by many. They said Fed will win French before Rafa wins
> Wimbledon (if ever), it turned out the other way round. They said
> Nadal can't play on hardcourts, he has proven them wrong by winning on
> the fast courts of the Beijing Olympics and now likely this Australian
> Open. One thing we have to remember is that Nadal has beaten Fed in
> all of his slams, so no one, and I mean NO ONE, can say he has had it
> easy and doesn't deserve what he has gotten.

By the way, I will also add I myself have been guilty of
underestimating Nadal right from the start - he turned out to be much,
much better and bigger talent than I thought he was. My bad...