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Date: 02 Feb 2009 09:01:23
From: Raja
Subject: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT. There
are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.

Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong candidate
Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong candidate as
well

Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl, McEnroe
and may be even Connors. I find it disgusting that people forget all
these old champions and make it a Sampras vs Federer thing. It is just
fucking narrow mindedness.




 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:39:54
From: number_six
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 7:44=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:15=A0pm, number_six <cyberi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 9:10=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 2, 6:06=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 2, 11:03=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 2, 6:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT=
. There
> > > > > > are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.
>
> > > > > > Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong candi=
date
> > > > > > Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong candidate=
as
> > > > > > well
>
> > > > > > Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl, Mc=
Enroe
> > > > > > and may be even Connors.
>
> > > > > I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned Lendl=
in
> > > > > any GOAT discussion.
>
> > > > 270 weeks as #1
> > > > 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> > > > 4 WCT YEC
> > > > 8 slams, 9 finals
> > > > 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> > > > 144 tournaments
>
> > > > I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.
>
> > > He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
> > > against Becker. That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> > > end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.- Hide =
quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I think Lendl's primary contribution to the GOAT debate was to set the
> > example of playing *all four majors every year.*
>
> Thats bollocks. Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova started playing
> all 4 slams since 1981
>
>
>
> > Before Lendl /Wilander, this was often not the case
>
> Nonsense once again in 1983 a bunch of players played the AO. McEnroe,
> Wilander, Lendl, Edberg, Becker etc. No one still gave a fuck about
> it.
>
> >, for a variety of
> > reasons, earlier in the open era. =A0So if the AO had languished at
> > Kooyong, with play beginning before New Year's Day (dreadful
> > scheduling), maybe Emerson's 12 would still be the mark. =A0What the
> > heck.
>
> 1988 was the first real year for AO when it switched from that
> dreadful grass to Rebound Ace. AO was a slam then.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Gadzooks, man, curtail your baser instincts.

Chrissie and Martina?? We are talking about the men's GOAT debate.

Johnny Mac?? He made a mere *three* appearances at the AO in the
80s. A dillettante. The washed up Mac then made two AO appearances
in the early 90s, for a grand total of five. He was seldom seen in
Melbourne.

Sure, I remember that grass -- that was the court on which Lendl was
*drubbed* by Wilander in the '83 final.

There should be no controversy in noting "Before Lendl /Wilander, this
[playing all four majors every year] was often not the case."

It is widely known that Connors made only two (2) appearances in AO,
and Borg only one (1).


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 19:44:14
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 9:15=A0pm, number_six <cyberi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:10=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 6:06=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 2, 11:03=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 2, 6:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT. =
There
> > > > > are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.
>
> > > > > Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong candida=
te
> > > > > Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong candidate a=
s
> > > > > well
>
> > > > > Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl, McEn=
roe
> > > > > and may be even Connors.
>
> > > > I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned Lendl i=
n
> > > > any GOAT discussion.
>
> > > 270 weeks as #1
> > > 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> > > 4 WCT YEC
> > > 8 slams, 9 finals
> > > 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> > > 144 tournaments
>
> > > I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.
>
> > He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
> > against Becker. That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> > end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.- Hide qu=
oted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I think Lendl's primary contribution to the GOAT debate was to set the
> example of playing *all four majors every year.*

Thats bollocks. Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova started playing
all 4 slams since 1981
>
> Before Lendl /Wilander, this was often not the case

Nonsense once again in 1983 a bunch of players played the AO. McEnroe,
Wilander, Lendl, Edberg, Becker etc. No one still gave a fuck about
it.


>, for a variety of
> reasons, earlier in the open era. =A0So if the AO had languished at
> Kooyong, with play beginning before New Year's Day (dreadful
> scheduling), maybe Emerson's 12 would still be the mark. =A0What the
> heck.

1988 was the first real year for AO when it switched from that
dreadful grass to Rebound Ace. AO was a slam then.



 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 19:15:06
From: number_six
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 9:10=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:06=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 11:03=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 2, 6:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT. Th=
ere
> > > > are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.
>
> > > > Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong candidate
> > > > Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong candidate as
> > > > well
>
> > > > Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl, McEnro=
e
> > > > and may be even Connors.
>
> > > I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned Lendl in
> > > any GOAT discussion.
>
> > 270 weeks as #1
> > 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> > 4 WCT YEC
> > 8 slams, 9 finals
> > 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> > 144 tournaments
>
> > I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.
>
> He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
> against Becker. That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.- Hide quot=
ed text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think Lendl's primary contribution to the GOAT debate was to set the
example of playing *all four majors every year.*

Before Lendl /Wilander, this was often not the case, for a variety of
reasons, earlier in the open era. So if the AO had languished at
Kooyong, with play beginning before New Year's Day (dreadful
scheduling), maybe Emerson's 12 would still be the mark. What the
heck.


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 19:07:07
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 9:00=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> "Raja" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:96c6fc60-0da1-4b76-aa52-5c5fe66fd223@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 2, 8:43 pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 4:20 pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 2, 3:02 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
> > > > zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 2, 2:51 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> > > > >> undecided wrote:
> > > > >>> On Feb 2, 12:17 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Feb 2, 11:10 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>> On Feb 2, 6:06 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>> On Feb 2, 11:03 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>> On Feb 2, 6:01 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed
> > > > >>>>>>>> GOAT. There are many who disagree that Sampras is the
> > > > >>>>>>>> undisputed GOAT.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong
> > > > >>>>>>>> candidate Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a
> > > > >>>>>>>> strong
> > > > >>>>>>>> candidate as well
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lend=
l,
> > > > >>>>>>>> McEnroe and may be even Connors.
>
> > > > >>>>>>> I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned
> > > > >>>>>>> Lendl in any GOAT discussion.
>
> > > > >>>>>> 270 weeks as #1
> > > > >>>>>> 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> > > > >>>>>> 4 WCT YEC
> > > > >>>>>> 8 slams, 9 finals
> > > > >>>>>> 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> > > > >>>>>> 144 tournaments
>
> > > > >>>>>> I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me
> > > > >>>>>> know.
>
> > > > >>>>> He was a good player, but lost on almost every important
> > > > >>>>> occasion
> > > > >>>>> against Becker.
>
> > > > >>>> Becker was 9 years younger than him and they met at Wimbledon
> > > > >>>> thrice. Lendl's worst surface and Becker's best surface.
>
> > > > >>>>> That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> > > > >>>>> end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year=
.
>
> > > > >>>> Nice try. You cant use what opponents say. Look at the record =
for
> > > > >>>> that year. Lendl locked the YE#1 in June. He won 10 tournament=
s
> > > > >>>> that year and was completely dominated the tour. In fact if no=
t
> > > > >>>> for the rain he would have beaten Becker in the semis and then
> > > > >>>> killed Edberg in the final who was not having a good year.
>
> > > > >>>>> - Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > >>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > >>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > >>> Wow, I never thought I'd say this but Raja is right. 9 Yrs is a
> > > > >>> separate generation. Basically Lendl was at the end of his care=
er
> > > > >>> when Becker showed up. Of course the same should apply to Sampr=
as
> > > > >>> for when Safin/Hewitt beat him they were 10 Yrs younger than hi=
m.
>
> > > > >> Lendl's winning span was 6 years, Sampras' 12.
> > > > >> Huge difference.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > That doesnt indicate crap. Rosewall's winning span was 17 years
> > > > > (1956-72).
>
> > > > 19 actually, 1953-1972.
> > > > It indicates a lot, proves you're a multigenerationl champion.- Hid=
e
> > > > quoted text -
>
> > > Some have long careers, some get injured after 5-6 years of
> > > domination. What matter is domination across all surfaces for a long
> > > period? Since grass is not a legit surface (only 2 tourneys per year)
> > > only Evert, Lendl and Graf in open era can claim to this. And Evert
> > > lost to Navratilova once too many times on hc. So it is basically onl=
y
> > > Graf and Lendl who dominated all legit surfaces for a long time.
> > > Navratilova/Connors/McEnroe/Sampras/Federer didnt dominate clay which
> > > is a major surface. Borg flunked on hard courts. I dont consider
> > > Wilander/Becker/Edberg/Agassi/Seles/Serena as dominating for a long
> > > time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > OK now why is surface important?
> >How is it not?
>
> Because surfaces changed many times over the years and will be probably
> changed in the future.

We are talking about ones time. You have to dominate the major
surfaces in your time to be considered good. When 40% of the
tournaments are played on clay and you cannot dominate it, you are not
goat material by any means.


> Some of them became extinct too. Completely irrelevant actually.
>
> You have 4 biggest tennis championships in the world, wimbledon being the
> biggest of them all and that's it.



 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 18:54:00
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 8:43=A0pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 4:20=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 3:02=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
> > > zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Feb 2, 2:51 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> > > >> undecided wrote:
> > > >>> On Feb 2, 12:17 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>> On Feb 2, 11:10 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > >>>>> On Feb 2, 6:06 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>>>> On Feb 2, 11:03 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > >>>>>>> On Feb 2, 6:01 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed
> > > >>>>>>>> GOAT. There are many who disagree that Sampras is the
> > > >>>>>>>> undisputed GOAT.
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong
> > > >>>>>>>> candidate Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a str=
ong
> > > >>>>>>>> candidate as well
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl,
> > > >>>>>>>> McEnroe and may be even Connors.
>
> > > >>>>>>> I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned
> > > >>>>>>> Lendl in any GOAT discussion.
>
> > > >>>>>> 270 weeks as #1
> > > >>>>>> 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> > > >>>>>> 4 WCT YEC
> > > >>>>>> 8 slams, 9 finals
> > > >>>>>> 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> > > >>>>>> 144 tournaments
>
> > > >>>>>> I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me kn=
ow.
>
> > > >>>>> He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasi=
on
> > > >>>>> against Becker.
>
> > > >>>> Becker was 9 years younger than him and they met at Wimbledon
> > > >>>> thrice. Lendl's worst surface and Becker's best surface.
>
> > > >>>>> That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> > > >>>>> end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.
>
> > > >>>> Nice try. You cant use what opponents say. Look at the record fo=
r
> > > >>>> that year. Lendl locked the YE#1 in June. He won 10 tournaments
> > > >>>> that year and was completely dominated the tour. In fact if not
> > > >>>> for the rain he would have beaten Becker in the semis and then
> > > >>>> killed Edberg in the final who was not having a good year.
>
> > > >>>>> - Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > >>> Wow, I never thought I'd say this but Raja is right. 9 Yrs is a
> > > >>> separate generation. Basically Lendl was at the end of his career
> > > >>> when Becker showed up. Of course the same should apply to Sampras
> > > >>> for when Safin/Hewitt beat him they were 10 Yrs younger than him.
>
> > > >> Lendl's winning span was 6 years, Sampras' 12.
> > > >> Huge difference.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > That doesnt indicate crap. Rosewall's winning span was 17 years
> > > > (1956-72).
>
> > > 19 actually, 1953-1972.
> > > It indicates a lot, proves you're a multigenerationl champion.- Hide =
quoted text -
>
> > Some have long careers, some get injured after 5-6 years of
> > domination. What matter is domination across all surfaces for a long
> > period? Since grass is not a legit surface (only 2 tourneys per year)
> > only Evert, Lendl and Graf in open era can claim to this. And Evert
> > lost to Navratilova once too many times on hc. So it is basically only
> > Graf and Lendl who dominated all legit surfaces for a long time.
> > Navratilova/Connors/McEnroe/Sampras/Federer didnt dominate clay which
> > is a major surface. Borg flunked on hard courts. I dont consider
> > Wilander/Becker/Edberg/Agassi/Seles/Serena as dominating for a long
> > time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> OK now why is surface important?

How is it not?

> What matters is #1 and Slams
> (actually they complement each other, winning slams makes you #1 at
> least on the men's tour). Lendl was a fantastic player but he came up
> short in the majors.



  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 04:00:25
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record

"Raja" <zepfloyes@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:96c6fc60-0da1-4b76-aa52-5c5fe66fd223@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 8:43 pm, undecided <cost...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 4:20 pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 3:02 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
> > > zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Feb 2, 2:51 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> > > >> undecided wrote:
> > > >>> On Feb 2, 12:17 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>> On Feb 2, 11:10 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > >>>>> On Feb 2, 6:06 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>>>> On Feb 2, 11:03 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > >>>>>>> On Feb 2, 6:01 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed
> > > >>>>>>>> GOAT. There are many who disagree that Sampras is the
> > > >>>>>>>> undisputed GOAT.
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong
> > > >>>>>>>> candidate Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a
> > > >>>>>>>> strong
> > > >>>>>>>> candidate as well
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl,
> > > >>>>>>>> McEnroe and may be even Connors.
>
> > > >>>>>>> I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned
> > > >>>>>>> Lendl in any GOAT discussion.
>
> > > >>>>>> 270 weeks as #1
> > > >>>>>> 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> > > >>>>>> 4 WCT YEC
> > > >>>>>> 8 slams, 9 finals
> > > >>>>>> 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> > > >>>>>> 144 tournaments
>
> > > >>>>>> I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me
> > > >>>>>> know.
>
> > > >>>>> He was a good player, but lost on almost every important
> > > >>>>> occasion
> > > >>>>> against Becker.
>
> > > >>>> Becker was 9 years younger than him and they met at Wimbledon
> > > >>>> thrice. Lendl's worst surface and Becker's best surface.
>
> > > >>>>> That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> > > >>>>> end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.
>
> > > >>>> Nice try. You cant use what opponents say. Look at the record for
> > > >>>> that year. Lendl locked the YE#1 in June. He won 10 tournaments
> > > >>>> that year and was completely dominated the tour. In fact if not
> > > >>>> for the rain he would have beaten Becker in the semis and then
> > > >>>> killed Edberg in the final who was not having a good year.
>
> > > >>>>> - Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > >>> Wow, I never thought I'd say this but Raja is right. 9 Yrs is a
> > > >>> separate generation. Basically Lendl was at the end of his career
> > > >>> when Becker showed up. Of course the same should apply to Sampras
> > > >>> for when Safin/Hewitt beat him they were 10 Yrs younger than him.
>
> > > >> Lendl's winning span was 6 years, Sampras' 12.
> > > >> Huge difference.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > That doesnt indicate crap. Rosewall's winning span was 17 years
> > > > (1956-72).
>
> > > 19 actually, 1953-1972.
> > > It indicates a lot, proves you're a multigenerationl champion.- Hide
> > > quoted text -
>
> > Some have long careers, some get injured after 5-6 years of
> > domination. What matter is domination across all surfaces for a long
> > period? Since grass is not a legit surface (only 2 tourneys per year)
> > only Evert, Lendl and Graf in open era can claim to this. And Evert
> > lost to Navratilova once too many times on hc. So it is basically only
> > Graf and Lendl who dominated all legit surfaces for a long time.
> > Navratilova/Connors/McEnroe/Sampras/Federer didnt dominate clay which
> > is a major surface. Borg flunked on hard courts. I dont consider
> > Wilander/Becker/Edberg/Agassi/Seles/Serena as dominating for a long
> > time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> OK now why is surface important?

>How is it not?


Because surfaces changed many times over the years and will be probably
changed in the future.
Some of them became extinct too. Completely irrelevant actually.

You have 4 biggest tennis championships in the world, wimbledon being the
biggest of them all and that's it.




 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 18:43:21
From: undecided
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 4:20=A0pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 2, 3:02=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Feb 2, 2:51 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> > >> undecided wrote:
> > >>> On Feb 2, 12:17 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On Feb 2, 11:10 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > >>>>> On Feb 2, 6:06 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> On Feb 2, 11:03 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>> On Feb 2, 6:01 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>> Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed
> > >>>>>>>> GOAT. There are many who disagree that Sampras is the
> > >>>>>>>> undisputed GOAT.
>
> > >>>>>>>> Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong
> > >>>>>>>> candidate Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a stron=
g
> > >>>>>>>> candidate as well
>
> > >>>>>>>> Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl,
> > >>>>>>>> McEnroe and may be even Connors.
>
> > >>>>>>> I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned
> > >>>>>>> Lendl in any GOAT discussion.
>
> > >>>>>> 270 weeks as #1
> > >>>>>> 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> > >>>>>> 4 WCT YEC
> > >>>>>> 8 slams, 9 finals
> > >>>>>> 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> > >>>>>> 144 tournaments
>
> > >>>>>> I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know=
.
>
> > >>>>> He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
> > >>>>> against Becker.
>
> > >>>> Becker was 9 years younger than him and they met at Wimbledon
> > >>>> thrice. Lendl's worst surface and Becker's best surface.
>
> > >>>>> That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> > >>>>> end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.
>
> > >>>> Nice try. You cant use what opponents say. Look at the record for
> > >>>> that year. Lendl locked the YE#1 in June. He won 10 tournaments
> > >>>> that year and was completely dominated the tour. In fact if not
> > >>>> for the rain he would have beaten Becker in the semis and then
> > >>>> killed Edberg in the final who was not having a good year.
>
> > >>>>> - Hide quoted text -
>
> > >>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >>> Wow, I never thought I'd say this but Raja is right. 9 Yrs is a
> > >>> separate generation. Basically Lendl was at the end of his career
> > >>> when Becker showed up. Of course the same should apply to Sampras
> > >>> for when Safin/Hewitt beat him they were 10 Yrs younger than him.
>
> > >> Lendl's winning span was 6 years, Sampras' 12.
> > >> Huge difference.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > That doesnt indicate crap. Rosewall's winning span was 17 years
> > > (1956-72).
>
> > 19 actually, 1953-1972.
> > It indicates a lot, proves you're a multigenerationl champion.- Hide qu=
oted text -
>
> Some have long careers, some get injured after 5-6 years of
> domination. What matter is domination across all surfaces for a long
> period? Since grass is not a legit surface (only 2 tourneys per year)
> only Evert, Lendl and Graf in open era can claim to this. And Evert
> lost to Navratilova once too many times on hc. So it is basically only
> Graf and Lendl who dominated all legit surfaces for a long time.
> Navratilova/Connors/McEnroe/Sampras/Federer didnt dominate clay which
> is a major surface. Borg flunked on hard courts. I dont consider
> Wilander/Becker/Edberg/Agassi/Seles/Serena as dominating for a long
> time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

OK now why is surface important? What matters is #1 and Slams
(actually they complement each other, winning slams makes you #1 at
least on the men's tour). Lendl was a fantastic player but he came up
short in the majors.


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 13:20:14
From:
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 3:02=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 2:51 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >> undecided wrote:
> >>> On Feb 2, 12:17 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Feb 2, 11:10 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Feb 2, 6:06 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Feb 2, 11:03 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 2, 6:01 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed
> >>>>>>>> GOAT. There are many who disagree that Sampras is the
> >>>>>>>> undisputed GOAT.
>
> >>>>>>>> Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong
> >>>>>>>> candidate Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong
> >>>>>>>> candidate as well
>
> >>>>>>>> Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl,
> >>>>>>>> McEnroe and may be even Connors.
>
> >>>>>>> I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned
> >>>>>>> Lendl in any GOAT discussion.
>
> >>>>>> 270 weeks as #1
> >>>>>> 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> >>>>>> 4 WCT YEC
> >>>>>> 8 slams, 9 finals
> >>>>>> 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> >>>>>> 144 tournaments
>
> >>>>>> I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.
>
> >>>>> He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
> >>>>> against Becker.
>
> >>>> Becker was 9 years younger than him and they met at Wimbledon
> >>>> thrice. Lendl's worst surface and Becker's best surface.
>
> >>>>> That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> >>>>> end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.
>
> >>>> Nice try. You cant use what opponents say. Look at the record for
> >>>> that year. Lendl locked the YE#1 in June. He won 10 tournaments
> >>>> that year and was completely dominated the tour. In fact if not
> >>>> for the rain he would have beaten Becker in the semis and then
> >>>> killed Edberg in the final who was not having a good year.
>
> >>>>> - Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>> Wow, I never thought I'd say this but Raja is right. 9 Yrs is a
> >>> separate generation. Basically Lendl was at the end of his career
> >>> when Becker showed up. Of course the same should apply to Sampras
> >>> for when Safin/Hewitt beat him they were 10 Yrs younger than him.
>
> >> Lendl's winning span was 6 years, Sampras' 12.
> >> Huge difference.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > That doesnt indicate crap. Rosewall's winning span was 17 years
> > (1956-72).
>
> 19 actually, 1953-1972.
> It indicates a lot, proves you're a multigenerationl champion.- Hide quot=
ed text -

Some have long careers, some get injured after 5-6 years of
domination. What matter is domination across all surfaces for a long
period? Since grass is not a legit surface (only 2 tourneys per year)
only Evert, Lendl and Graf in open era can claim to this. And Evert
lost to Navratilova once too many times on hc. So it is basically only
Graf and Lendl who dominated all legit surfaces for a long time.
Navratilova/Connors/McEnroe/Sampras/Federer didnt dominate clay which
is a major surface. Borg flunked on hard courts. I dont consider
Wilander/Becker/Edberg/Agassi/Seles/Serena as dominating for a long
time.




 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 12:56:13
From:
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 2:51=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> undecided wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 12:17 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 2, 11:10 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 2, 6:06 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Feb 2, 11:03 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Feb 2, 6:01 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT.
> >>>>>> There are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.
>
> >>>>>> Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong
> >>>>>> candidate Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong
> >>>>>> candidate as well
>
> >>>>>> Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl,
> >>>>>> McEnroe and may be even Connors.
>
> >>>>> I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned Lendl
> >>>>> in any GOAT discussion.
>
> >>>> 270 weeks as #1
> >>>> 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> >>>> 4 WCT YEC
> >>>> 8 slams, 9 finals
> >>>> 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> >>>> 144 tournaments
>
> >>>> I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.
>
> >>> He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
> >>> against Becker.
>
> >> Becker was 9 years younger than him and they met at Wimbledon thrice.
> >> Lendl's worst surface and Becker's best surface.
>
> >>> That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> >>> end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.
>
> >> Nice try. You cant use what opponents say. Look at the record for
> >> that year. Lendl locked the YE#1 in June. He won 10 tournaments that
> >> year and was completely dominated the tour. In fact if not for the
> >> rain he would have beaten Becker in the semis and then killed Edberg
> >> in the final who was not having a good year.
>
> >>> - Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Wow, I never thought I'd say this but Raja is right. 9 Yrs is a
> > separate generation. Basically Lendl was at the end of his career when
> > Becker showed up. Of course the same should apply to Sampras for when
> > Safin/Hewitt beat him they were 10 Yrs younger than him.
>
> Lendl's winning span was 6 years, Sampras' 12.
> Huge difference.- Hide quoted text -

That doesnt indicate crap. Rosewall's winning span was 17 years
(1956-72).

>
> - Show quoted text -



  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 22:02:35
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 2, 2:51 pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> undecided wrote:
>>> On Feb 2, 12:17 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 2, 11:10 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Feb 2, 6:06 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Feb 2, 11:03 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 6:01 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed
>>>>>>>> GOAT. There are many who disagree that Sampras is the
>>>>>>>> undisputed GOAT.
>>
>>>>>>>> Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong
>>>>>>>> candidate Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong
>>>>>>>> candidate as well
>>
>>>>>>>> Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl,
>>>>>>>> McEnroe and may be even Connors.
>>
>>>>>>> I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned
>>>>>>> Lendl in any GOAT discussion.
>>
>>>>>> 270 weeks as #1
>>>>>> 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
>>>>>> 4 WCT YEC
>>>>>> 8 slams, 9 finals
>>>>>> 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
>>>>>> 144 tournaments
>>
>>>>>> I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.
>>
>>>>> He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
>>>>> against Becker.
>>
>>>> Becker was 9 years younger than him and they met at Wimbledon
>>>> thrice. Lendl's worst surface and Becker's best surface.
>>
>>>>> That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
>>>>> end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.
>>
>>>> Nice try. You cant use what opponents say. Look at the record for
>>>> that year. Lendl locked the YE#1 in June. He won 10 tournaments
>>>> that year and was completely dominated the tour. In fact if not
>>>> for the rain he would have beaten Becker in the semis and then
>>>> killed Edberg in the final who was not having a good year.
>>
>>>>> - Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> Wow, I never thought I'd say this but Raja is right. 9 Yrs is a
>>> separate generation. Basically Lendl was at the end of his career
>>> when Becker showed up. Of course the same should apply to Sampras
>>> for when Safin/Hewitt beat him they were 10 Yrs younger than him.
>>
>> Lendl's winning span was 6 years, Sampras' 12.
>> Huge difference.- Hide quoted text -
>
> That doesnt indicate crap. Rosewall's winning span was 17 years
> (1956-72).



19 actually, 1953-1972.
It indicates a lot, proves you're a multigenerationl champion.





 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 12:46:15
From: undecided
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 12:17=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 11:10=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 6:06=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 2, 11:03=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 2, 6:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT. =
There
> > > > > are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.
>
> > > > > Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong candida=
te
> > > > > Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong candidate a=
s
> > > > > well
>
> > > > > Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl, McEn=
roe
> > > > > and may be even Connors.
>
> > > > I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned Lendl i=
n
> > > > any GOAT discussion.
>
> > > 270 weeks as #1
> > > 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> > > 4 WCT YEC
> > > 8 slams, 9 finals
> > > 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> > > 144 tournaments
>
> > > I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.
>
> > He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
> > against Becker.
>
> Becker was 9 years younger than him and they met at Wimbledon thrice.
> Lendl's worst surface and Becker's best surface.
>
> >That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> > end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.
>
> Nice try. You cant use what opponents say. Look at the record for that
> year. Lendl locked the YE#1 in June. He won 10 tournaments that year
> and was completely dominated the tour. In fact if not for the rain he
> would have beaten Becker in the semis and then killed Edberg in the
> final who was not having a good year.
>
>
>
> >- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Wow, I never thought I'd say this but Raja is right. 9 Yrs is a
separate generation. Basically Lendl was at the end of his career when
Becker showed up. Of course the same should apply to Sampras for when
Safin/Hewitt beat him they were 10 Yrs younger than him.


  
Date: 02 Feb 2009 21:51:31
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
undecided wrote:
> On Feb 2, 12:17 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 2, 11:10 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 2, 6:06 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Feb 2, 11:03 am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Feb 2, 6:01 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT.
>>>>>> There are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.
>>
>>>>>> Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong
>>>>>> candidate Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong
>>>>>> candidate as well
>>
>>>>>> Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl,
>>>>>> McEnroe and may be even Connors.
>>
>>>>> I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned Lendl
>>>>> in any GOAT discussion.
>>
>>>> 270 weeks as #1
>>>> 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
>>>> 4 WCT YEC
>>>> 8 slams, 9 finals
>>>> 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
>>>> 144 tournaments
>>
>>>> I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.
>>
>>> He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
>>> against Becker.
>>
>> Becker was 9 years younger than him and they met at Wimbledon thrice.
>> Lendl's worst surface and Becker's best surface.
>>
>>> That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
>>> end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.
>>
>> Nice try. You cant use what opponents say. Look at the record for
>> that year. Lendl locked the YE#1 in June. He won 10 tournaments that
>> year and was completely dominated the tour. In fact if not for the
>> rain he would have beaten Becker in the semis and then killed Edberg
>> in the final who was not having a good year.
>>
>>
>>
>>> - Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Wow, I never thought I'd say this but Raja is right. 9 Yrs is a
> separate generation. Basically Lendl was at the end of his career when
> Becker showed up. Of course the same should apply to Sampras for when
> Safin/Hewitt beat him they were 10 Yrs younger than him.

Lendl's winning span was 6 years, Sampras' 12.
Huge difference.




 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 09:59:37
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 11:23=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:17=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 11:10=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 2, 6:06=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 2, 11:03=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 2, 6:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT=
. There
> > > > > > are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.
>
> > > > > > Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong candi=
date
> > > > > > Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong candidate=
as
> > > > > > well
>
> > > > > > Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl, Mc=
Enroe
> > > > > > and may be even Connors.
>
> > > > > I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned Lendl=
in
> > > > > any GOAT discussion.
>
> > > > 270 weeks as #1
> > > > 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> > > > 4 WCT YEC
> > > > 8 slams, 9 finals
> > > > 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> > > > 144 tournaments
>
> > > > I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.
>
> > > He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
> > > against Becker.
>
> > Becker was 9 years younger than him and they met at Wimbledon thrice.
> > Lendl's worst surface and Becker's best surface.
>
> > >That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> > > end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.
>
> > Nice try. You cant use what opponents say. Look at the record for that
> > year. Lendl locked the YE#1 in June. He won 10 tournaments that year
> > and was completely dominated the tour.
>
> Lendl himself stated that all those tune-ups meant little to him and
> Becker's results were far superior.

As it told, what he told is irrelevant. What matters is who dominated
the tour enough to be #1?
Why dont you bitch about McEnroe being #1 in 1982?

>
> > In fact if not for the rain he
> > would have beaten Becker in the semis
>
> So, Becker didn't have to face the rain?
> Let's have a look for *results*:

Thats exactly are you not looking at for that year.

>
> Lendl lost his two MOST important matches 1989 against Becker:
> Wim SF and USO F. These are the facts.- Hide quoted text -
>
Thats a slammist attitude. The whole tour is not just about the slams.
Lendl did win AO and 5 more tournaments than Becker. Becker won Wim/
USO but didnt do much for the rest of the year. Thats his fault. If he
had dominated like Lendl did in 87 winning both slams and tournaments
then he would have been #1


> - Show quoted text -



 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 09:23:33
From: The Truth
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 6:17=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 11:10=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 6:06=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 2, 11:03=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 2, 6:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT. =
There
> > > > > are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.
>
> > > > > Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong candida=
te
> > > > > Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong candidate a=
s
> > > > > well
>
> > > > > Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl, McEn=
roe
> > > > > and may be even Connors.
>
> > > > I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned Lendl i=
n
> > > > any GOAT discussion.
>
> > > 270 weeks as #1
> > > 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> > > 4 WCT YEC
> > > 8 slams, 9 finals
> > > 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> > > 144 tournaments
>
> > > I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.
>
> > He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
> > against Becker.
>
> Becker was 9 years younger than him and they met at Wimbledon thrice.
> Lendl's worst surface and Becker's best surface.
>
> >That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> > end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.
>
> Nice try. You cant use what opponents say. Look at the record for that
> year. Lendl locked the YE#1 in June. He won 10 tournaments that year
> and was completely dominated the tour.

Lendl himself stated that all those tune-ups meant little to him and
Becker's results were far superior.

> In fact if not for the rain he
> would have beaten Becker in the semis

So, Becker didn't have to face the rain?
Let's have a look for *results*:

Lendl lost his two MOST important matches 1989 against Becker:
Wim SF and USO F. These are the facts.


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 09:17:44
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 11:10=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:06=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 11:03=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 2, 6:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT. Th=
ere
> > > > are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.
>
> > > > Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong candidate
> > > > Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong candidate as
> > > > well
>
> > > > Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl, McEnro=
e
> > > > and may be even Connors.
>
> > > I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned Lendl in
> > > any GOAT discussion.
>
> > 270 weeks as #1
> > 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> > 4 WCT YEC
> > 8 slams, 9 finals
> > 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> > 144 tournaments
>
> > I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.
>
> He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
> against Becker.

Becker was 9 years younger than him and they met at Wimbledon thrice.
Lendl's worst surface and Becker's best surface.

>That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
> end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.

Nice try. You cant use what opponents say. Look at the record for that
year. Lendl locked the YE#1 in June. He won 10 tournaments that year
and was completely dominated the tour. In fact if not for the rain he
would have beaten Becker in the semis and then killed Edberg in the
final who was not having a good year.

>- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 09:10:05
From: The Truth
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 6:06=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 11:03=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 2, 6:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT. Ther=
e
> > > are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.
>
> > > Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong candidate
> > > Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong candidate as
> > > well
>
> > > Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl, McEnroe
> > > and may be even Connors.
>
> > I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned Lendl in
> > any GOAT discussion.
>
> 270 weeks as #1
> 5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
> 4 WCT YEC
> 8 slams, 9 finals
> 1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
> 144 tournaments
>
> I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.

He was a good player, but lost on almost every important occasion
against Becker. That was not so good. Furthermore Lendl was #1 at the
end of 1989 and eve he said, Becker was much better that year.


 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 09:06:04
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 11:03=A0am, The Truth <ob...@web.de > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT. There
> > are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.
>
> > Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong candidate
> > Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong candidate as
> > well
>
> > Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl, McEnroe
> > and may be even Connors.
>
> I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned Lendl in
> any GOAT discussion.

270 weeks as #1
5 ATP YEC, 9 finals in a row
4 WCT YEC
8 slams, 9 finals
1000+ matches won with 82% win loss
144 tournaments

I think this a major record. If you dont think it is let me know.



 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 09:03:22
From: The Truth
Subject: Re: Too much hype in that 14 slam record
On Feb 2, 6:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Surpassing that does NOT automatically make you undisputed GOAT. There
> are many who disagree that Sampras is the undisputed GOAT.
>
> Borg who never won AO or USO is still considered a strong candidate
> Laver who won only 5 pro slams is considered a strong candidate as
> well
>
> Then there are proponents of Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Lendl, McEnroe
> and may be even Connors.

I would have cut my own hand if you wouldn't have mentioned Lendl in
any GOAT discussion.