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Date: 16 Feb 2009 01:38:40
From: Raja
Subject: Top 10 mysteries of all time
http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html

I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
movies.

I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
Suspects didnt make it.

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10. L.A. Confidential =96 1997

This film feels like the 1950's noir fiction that it represents.
Originally a James Ellroy novel, it's a gritty, seedy story of
corruption, sex, and murder where you can trust no one and the famous
and wealthy of Los Angeles get mixed up in the dirty underbelly of the
city. It starts with a mass murder at a coffee shop and devolves into
an organized crime story involving pornography, heroin and politics.
Office Bud White (Russell Crowe) is a monster of a cop but his
partner, Dick Stensland, was thrown off the force following a police
brutality case. Bud hates the man who testified against Stensland and
they both are involved in the crime investigation where Stensland is
one of the victims. The man: Detective Edmund Exley (Guy Pierce), a
straight-laced and brilliant detective who plays exactly by the book.
Enter the third cop involved in the investigation, Sergeant Jack
Vincennes (Kevin Spacey). He's a celebrity cop who works in
television as an advisor, has ties to Hush-Hush magazine and leaks
details of celebrity arrests to the press, for a fee.
The twists and turns are exquisite and the atmosphere is unbeatable.
PRINCIPAL CAST Kevin Spacey, Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce,
James Cromwell, Kim Basinger, Danny DeVito
DIRECTOR Curtis Hanson
SCREENWRITERS Brian Helgeland, Curtis Hanson

9. The Big Lebowski - 1998

In a case of mistaken identity, two thugs rough up Lebowski (Jeff
Bridges) and piss on his rug. These guys thought Lebowski's wife owed
Jackie Treehorn (Ben Gazzara) some money. Now Lebowski likes to be
known as =93The Dude=94 and he likes walking around in a bathrobe and he
wants to get paid for his ruined rug, so he goes out to find the other
Jeffrey Lebowski and get some recompense.
What he finds is Bunny Lebowski, the Big Lebowski's trophy wife. She
happens to also be a nymphomaniac. He also finds a rug he likes and
he steals it. But Bunny goes missing and the Big Lebowski figures out
that The Dude can identify the men who probably kidnapped her. Enter
The Dude's bowling buddy, Walter Sobchak (John Goodman) who comes up
with the idea of ripping off the kidnappers and the Big Lebowski.
Things just go downhill from there.
This is a quotable movie and a Coen Brother's masterpiece.

PRINCIPAL CAST Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Steve Buscemi, Julianne
Moore, Philip Seymour Hoffman
DIRECTOR Joel Coen
SCREENWRITERS Ethan Coen, Joel Coen

8. Gaslight =96 1944
An amazing psychological mystery that has been made and remade, this
is however, the best version of the film.
Paula (Ingrid Bergman) discovers her aunts dead body in their home and
her aunt's jewels missing. The murder goes unsolved and Paula is then
sent to a music school in Italy where she remains until she marries an
older man and pianist, Gregory (Charles Boyer), who convinces her to
move back into the London house.
Shortly upon arrival in the home, Paula receives a mysterious
letter... and the psychological games begin.
The mystery and suspense in this movie is palpable. Poor Paula is put
through the wringer and the audience is a long for the ride.
Note from Rick: I've heard of this Ingrid Bergman actress before.
I've been told she's pretty good. I guess I ought to watch something
with her in it. This one seems like a reasonable place to start.
PRINCIPAL CAST Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, Joseph Cotten,
Dame May Whitty
DIRECTOR George Cukor
SCREENWRITERS John Van Druten, Walter Reisch, John L. Balderston
7. The Postman Always Rings Twice - 1946

A young drifter named Frank (John Garfield) stops at a diner for a
meal and gets a job working for the beautiful Cora (Lana Turner) and
her much older husband, Nick (Cecil Kellaway). Frank and Cora have an
affair and naturally they plot to murder Nick in order to take the
diner and get him out of the way.
The problem is that Nick isn't easy to kill and the crime isn't easy
to cover up, especially with a talented local prosecutor, Kyle Sackett
(Leon Ames). The investigation and its twists are where the real
mystery is, because both Frank and Cora are trying to save their own
necks which leaves the truth far behind.
It's a classic with one of the best ending twists in film. A true
masterpiece.

PRINCIPAL CAST Lana Turner, John Garfield, Cecil Kellaway
DIRECTOR Tay Garnett
SCREENWRITERS Harry Ruskin, Niven Busch

6. North by Northwest - 1959

This is our first Hitchcock film and it's another case of mistaken
identity. Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant), a New York advertising
executive, is mistaken for a government agent named George Kaplan.
Captured and interrogated by Phillip Vandamm (James Mason), he's
confused and denies any knowledge so Vandamm orders Leonard (Martin
Landau) to kill him.
In order to make the murder look like an accident they stage a drunken
car crash and force Roger to drink a lot of bourbon. Roger escapes,
but is arrested for drunk driving and can't convince anyone that he
was forced to drink until drunk, not even his mother. In order to
prove his story, Roger decides to find the real George Kaplan.
And that's where the story gets complicated, and dangerous, and wild
and more complicated. It's a turn a minute and a story wrapped up in
suspense. Hitchcock really knew what he was doing.
PRINCIPAL CAST Cary Grant, Eva Marie Saint, James Mason
DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
SCREENWRITER Ernest Lehman

5. In the Heat of the Night - 1967

=93They call me Mister Tibbs.=94
That's the quote most remembered from this racially charged breakout
movie. Sidney Poitier plays Virgil Tibbs, a black man from out of
state who is picked up a train station following the murder of a
wealthy man in Sparta, Mississippi. Chief Gillespie (Rod Steiger)
pegs him for guilty right away because he has too much cash in his
wallet for a =93colored man.=94 Mr. Tibbs is a Philadelphia homicide
detective who just wants to leave, but after he clears his name he is
convinced to help out in the case.
This story winds down the deep South's pathways of racism and
discrimination. It was quite the movie to be shown in 1967 and still
remains one of the greatest statement movies of our time as well as
being a fantastic mystery. What starts out as bigotry leads to
respect.
PRINCIPAL CAST Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, Lee Grant
DIRECTOR Norman Jewison
SCREENWRITER Stirling Silliphant

4. Laura - 1944
When a body is found in socialite and beauty Laura Hunt's (Gene
Tierney) apartment, it's a death that rocks everyone. Police
Detective Mark McPherson (Dana Andrews), becomes obsessed and falls a
little in love with the deceased Laura. As he interviews all the usual
suspects including her best friend and mentor (Clifton Webb) and her
boyfriend (Vincent Price) it seems everyone loves Laura.

He returns to her apartment one night only to have her walk through
the door, very much alive.
This is a wonderful and unusual example of a whodunit. All the
characters are obviously in love with Laura and all are against each
other, giving reasons for the other admirers to have tried to murder
her. Twists and turns and suspense, galore!
Note from Rick: I haven't seen this movie. I don't know anything
about it. I run away from movies with single name titles, especially
when the single name is female. It's not that I'm a chauvinist about
it, it's that I'm a scared of romance and kissing and stuff and try to
avoid it if at all possible.
PRINCIPAL CAST Gene Tierney,Dana Andrews, Clifton Webb, Vincent Price,
Judith Anderson, Laura Dern, Dean Stockwell
DIRECTOR Otto Preminger
SCREENWRITERS Jay Dratler, Samuel Hoffenstein, Elizabeth Reinhardt
Novel: Vera Caspary

3. Seven - 1995
Young cop, David Mills (Brad Pitt), teams up with the more seasoned
detective, William Somerset (Morgan Freeman), to catch a serial
killer. The killer is using the seven deadly sins as his MO making
the murders hard to solve, and extremely grotesque. The two cops have
different approaches to the handling of the case and two different
views on the killer. Somerset is trying the more psychological route,
while David dismisses the killers intelligence and considers him just
another nut job.
The film is really dark, moody and complex and very fricken creepy!
Note from Rick: This is suspense done masterfully. It made it to
third on the list because David Fincher really honored Hitchcock with
mood, if not a little overdone on gore.
PRINCIPAL CAST Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Gwyneth Paltrow
DIRECTOR David Fincher
SCREENWRITER Andrew Kevin Walker

2. Vertigo - 1958
San Francisco police Detective John "Scottie" Ferguson (James Stewart)
retires from the force after his acrophobia causes him Vertigo and the
inadvertent death of his partner. He is then approached by an old
college friend to keep an eye on his wife Madeleine (Kim Novak). It
seems Madeleine suffers from trances and an obsession with a dead and
tragic ancestor named Carlotta. Madeleine has no recollection of
these trances and her husband is afraid for her life.
Soon Scottie becomes as obsessed with Madeleine as she seems to be
with Carlotta and when another tragedy strikes, it looks like Scottie
will never be the same.
This has all the elements of a powerful mystery; suspense, love, lust,
tragedy, obsession, a healthy does of psychological games and
betrayal. Perfection.
PRINCIPAL CAST James Stewart, Kim Novak, Barbara Bel Geddes
DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
SCREENWRITERS Alec Coppel, Samuel A. Taylor
1. Rear Window - 1954
When photographer L.B. "Jeff" Jeffries (James Stewart) is injured and
confined to a wheelchair, he begins to pass his long days by people
watching out his apartment window. Late one night he witnesses odd
behavior from his jewelery salesman neighbor (Raymond Burr). Jeff
believes he has missed witnessing the actual murder of his neighbors
invalid wife, but thinks he has just witnessed the "clean-up."
Enlisting the help of his long suffering "girlfriend" Lisa Freemont
(Grace Kelly), they begin watching more closely and investigating
themselves.
Easily Hitchcock's masterpiece, Rear Window is more than a murder
mystery, this movie takes the viewer into the private lives of many of
the apartment building's tenants; proving what is seen isn't always
what it seems. Included in all the mystery, suspense, drama and
murder, is the comic relief in the form of Jeff's nurse, Stella
(Thelma Ritter), all this and the camera never leaves Jeff's
apartment. Amazing.
Note from Rick: The set design, the camera work, the acting - - all
in all this may be one of the best movies ever made.
PRINCIPAL CAST James Stewart, Grace Kelly, Thelma Ritter
DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
SCREENWRITER John Michael Hayes




 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 13:24:07
From: Caffe Mocha
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 4:38=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> movies.
>
> I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
> Suspects didnt make it.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> 10. =A0L.A. Confidential =96 1997
>
> This film feels like the 1950's noir fiction that it represents.
> Originally a James Ellroy novel, it's a gritty, seedy story of
> corruption, sex, and murder where you can trust no one and the famous
> and wealthy of Los Angeles get mixed up in the dirty underbelly of the
> city. =A0It starts with a mass murder at a coffee shop and devolves into
> an organized crime story involving pornography, heroin and politics.
> Office Bud White (Russell Crowe) is a monster of a cop but his
> partner, Dick Stensland, was thrown off the force following a police
> brutality case. =A0Bud hates the man who testified against Stensland and
> they both are involved in the crime investigation where Stensland is
> one of the victims. =A0The man: Detective Edmund Exley (Guy Pierce), a
> straight-laced and brilliant detective who plays exactly by the book.
> Enter the third cop involved in the investigation, Sergeant Jack
> Vincennes (Kevin Spacey). =A0He's a celebrity cop who works in
> television as an advisor, has ties to Hush-Hush magazine and leaks
> details of celebrity arrests to the press, for a fee.
> The twists and turns are exquisite and the atmosphere is unbeatable.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Kevin Spacey, Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce,
> James Cromwell, Kim Basinger, Danny DeVito
> DIRECTOR Curtis Hanson
> SCREENWRITERS Brian Helgeland, Curtis Hanson
>
> 9. The Big Lebowski - 1998
>
> In a case of mistaken identity, two thugs rough up Lebowski (Jeff
> Bridges) and piss on his rug. =A0These guys thought Lebowski's wife owed
> Jackie Treehorn (Ben Gazzara) some money. =A0Now Lebowski likes to be
> known as =93The Dude=94 and he likes walking around in a bathrobe and he
> wants to get paid for his ruined rug, so he goes out to find the other
> Jeffrey Lebowski and get some recompense.
> What he finds is Bunny Lebowski, the Big Lebowski's trophy wife. =A0She
> happens to also be a nymphomaniac. =A0He also finds a rug he likes and
> he steals it. =A0But Bunny goes missing and the Big Lebowski figures out
> that The Dude can identify the men who probably kidnapped her. =A0Enter
> The Dude's bowling buddy, Walter Sobchak (John Goodman) who comes up
> with the idea of ripping off the kidnappers and the Big Lebowski.
> Things just go downhill from there.
> This is a quotable movie and a Coen Brother's masterpiece.
>
> PRINCIPAL CAST Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Steve Buscemi, Julianne
> Moore, Philip Seymour Hoffman
> DIRECTOR Joel Coen
> SCREENWRITERS Ethan Coen, Joel Coen
>
> 8. Gaslight =96 1944
> An amazing psychological mystery that has been made and remade, this
> is however, the best version of the film.
> Paula (Ingrid Bergman) discovers her aunts dead body in their home and
> her aunt's jewels missing. The murder goes unsolved and Paula is then
> sent to a music school in Italy where she remains until she marries an
> older man and pianist, Gregory (Charles Boyer), who convinces her to
> move back into the London house.
> Shortly upon arrival in the home, Paula receives a mysterious
> letter... and the psychological games begin.
> The mystery and suspense in this movie is palpable. =A0Poor Paula is put
> through the wringer and the audience is a long for the ride.
> Note from Rick: =A0I've heard of this Ingrid Bergman actress before.
> I've been told she's pretty good. =A0I guess I ought to watch something
> with her in it. =A0This one seems like a reasonable place to start.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, Joseph Cotten,
> Dame May Whitty
> DIRECTOR George Cukor
> SCREENWRITERS John Van Druten, Walter Reisch, John L. Balderston
> =A07. The Postman Always Rings Twice - 1946
>
> A young drifter named Frank (John Garfield) stops at a diner for a
> meal and gets a job working for the beautiful Cora (Lana Turner) and
> her much older husband, Nick (Cecil Kellaway). =A0Frank and Cora have an
> affair and naturally they plot to murder Nick in order to take the
> diner and get him out of the way.
> The problem is that Nick isn't easy to kill and the crime isn't easy
> to cover up, especially with a talented local prosecutor, Kyle Sackett
> (Leon Ames). =A0 =A0The investigation and its twists are where the real
> mystery is, because both Frank and Cora are trying to save their own
> necks which leaves the truth far behind.
> It's a classic with one of the best ending twists in film. =A0A true
> masterpiece.
>
> PRINCIPAL CAST Lana Turner, John Garfield, Cecil Kellaway
> DIRECTOR Tay Garnett
> SCREENWRITERS Harry Ruskin, Niven Busch
>
> 6. North by Northwest - 1959
>
> This is our first Hitchcock film and it's another case of mistaken
> identity. =A0Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant), a New York advertising
> executive, is mistaken for a government agent named George Kaplan.
> Captured and interrogated by Phillip Vandamm (James Mason), he's
> confused and denies any knowledge so Vandamm orders Leonard (Martin
> Landau) to kill him.
> In order to make the murder look like an accident they stage a drunken
> car crash and force Roger to drink a lot of bourbon. =A0Roger escapes,
> but is arrested for drunk driving and can't convince anyone that he
> was forced to drink until drunk, not even his mother. =A0In order to
> prove his story, Roger decides to find the real George Kaplan.
> And that's where the story gets complicated, and dangerous, and wild
> and more complicated. =A0 It's a turn a minute and a story wrapped up in
> suspense. =A0Hitchcock really knew what he was doing.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Cary Grant, Eva Marie Saint, James Mason
> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
> SCREENWRITER Ernest Lehman
>
> 5. In the Heat of the Night - 1967
>
> =93They call me Mister Tibbs.=94
> That's the quote most remembered from this racially charged breakout
> movie. =A0Sidney Poitier plays Virgil Tibbs, a black man from out of
> state who is picked up a train station following the murder of a
> wealthy man in Sparta, Mississippi. =A0Chief Gillespie (Rod Steiger)
> pegs him for guilty right away because he has too much cash in his
> wallet for a =93colored man.=94 =A0Mr. Tibbs is a Philadelphia homicide
> detective who just wants to leave, but after he clears his name he is
> convinced to help out in the case.
> This story winds down the deep South's pathways of racism and
> discrimination. =A0It was quite the movie to be shown in 1967 and still
> remains one of the greatest statement movies of our time as well as
> being a fantastic mystery. =A0What starts out as bigotry leads to
> respect.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, Lee Grant
> DIRECTOR Norman Jewison
> SCREENWRITER Stirling Silliphant
>
> 4. Laura - 1944
> When a body is found in socialite and beauty Laura Hunt's (Gene
> Tierney) apartment, it's a death that rocks everyone. =A0Police
> Detective Mark McPherson (Dana Andrews), becomes obsessed and falls a
> little in love with the deceased Laura. As he interviews all the usual
> suspects including her best friend and mentor (Clifton Webb) and her
> boyfriend (Vincent Price) it seems everyone loves Laura.
>
> He returns to her apartment one night only to have her walk through
> the door, very much alive.
> This is a wonderful and unusual example of a whodunit. =A0All the
> characters are obviously in love with Laura and all are against each
> other, giving reasons for the other admirers to have tried to murder
> her. =A0Twists and turns and suspense, galore!
> Note from Rick: I haven't seen this movie. =A0I don't know anything
> about it. =A0I run away from movies with single name titles, especially
> when the single name is female. =A0It's not that I'm a chauvinist about
> it, it's that I'm a scared of romance and kissing and stuff and try to
> avoid it if at all possible.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Gene Tierney,Dana Andrews, Clifton Webb, Vincent Price,
> Judith Anderson, Laura Dern, Dean Stockwell
> DIRECTOR Otto Preminger
> SCREENWRITERS Jay Dratler, Samuel Hoffenstein, Elizabeth Reinhardt
> Novel: Vera Caspary
>
> 3. Seven - 1995
> Young cop, David Mills (Brad Pitt), teams up with the more seasoned
> detective, William Somerset (Morgan Freeman), to catch a serial
> killer. =A0The killer is using the seven deadly sins as his MO making
> the murders hard to solve, and extremely grotesque. =A0The two cops have
> different approaches to the handling of the case and two different
> views on the killer. =A0Somerset is trying the more psychological route,
> while David dismisses the killers intelligence and considers him just
> another nut job.
> The film is really dark, moody and complex and very fricken creepy!
> Note from Rick: This is suspense done masterfully. =A0It made it to
> third on the list because David Fincher really honored Hitchcock with
> mood, if not a little overdone on gore.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Gwyneth Paltrow
> DIRECTOR David Fincher
> SCREENWRITER Andrew Kevin Walker
>
> 2. Vertigo - 1958
> San Francisco police Detective John "Scottie" Ferguson (James Stewart)
> retires from the force after his acrophobia causes him Vertigo and the
> inadvertent death of his partner. =A0He is then approached by an old
> college friend to keep an eye on his wife Madeleine (Kim Novak). =A0It
> seems Madeleine suffers from trances and an obsession with a dead and
> tragic ancestor named Carlotta. =A0Madeleine has no recollection of
> these trances and her husband is afraid for her life.
> Soon Scottie becomes as obsessed with Madeleine as she seems to be
> with Carlotta and when another tragedy strikes, it looks like Scottie
> will never be the same.
> This has all the elements of a powerful mystery; suspense, love, lust,
> tragedy, obsession, a healthy does of psychological games and
> betrayal. =A0Perfection.
> PRINCIPAL CAST James Stewart, Kim Novak, Barbara Bel Geddes
> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
> SCREENWRITERS Alec Coppel, Samuel A. Taylor
> 1. Rear Window - 1954
> When photographer L.B. "Jeff" Jeffries (James Stewart) is injured and
> confined to a wheelchair, he begins to pass his long days by people
> watching out his apartment window. =A0Late one night he witnesses odd
> ...
>
> read more =BB

So much for "I won't make any lists in 2009." Liar.


 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 02:55:50
From: tension_on_the_wire
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 6:06=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 8:03=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 9:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 5:43=A0pm, tension_on_the_wire <tension_at_h...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 16, 9:34=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertig=
o, the
> > > > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; =
but in
> > > > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in whi=
ch
> > > > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with m=
e on
> > > > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns h=
appen
> > > > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a myster=
y.
> > > > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going =
with
> > > > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I ha=
vent
> > > > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > > > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > > > I would think that the type of movie you describe falls under the
> > > > category of suspense, when you don't know what will happen next. =
=A0But
> > > > a mystery has a plot that requires solving before the end of the
> > > > story. =A0One good candidate for both categories would be "Shallow
> > > > Graves" by Danny Boyle (I think it was Ewan McGregor's first film, =
if
> > > > I'm not mistaken). =A0Excellent film and quite creepy in a way.
>
> > > > --tension
>
> > > You have a point. There is a difference between mystery and suspense.
> > > What about Thriller? Is it closer to mystery or suspense?-
>
> > thriller and suspense are pretty close to each other. =A0mysteries
> > generally are less suspenseful since you're waiting for an answer.
>
> What about the Sherlock Holmes stories? Suspense, Mystery or Thriller?- H=
ide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Mystery for sure. Some of them, like "Hound of the Baskervilles" had
a fairly good dose of suspense as well, but thriller? I think not.

--tension


 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 02:54:25
From: tension_on_the_wire
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 6:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 5:43=A0pm, tension_on_the_wire <tension_at_h...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 9:34=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertigo, t=
he
> > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but =
in
> > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
> > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me on
> > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns happe=
n
> > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
> > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going with
> > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I havent
> > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > I would think that the type of movie you describe falls under the
> > category of suspense, when you don't know what will happen next. =A0But
> > a mystery has a plot that requires solving before the end of the
> > story. =A0One good candidate for both categories would be "Shallow
> > Graves" by Danny Boyle (I think it was Ewan McGregor's first film, if
> > I'm not mistaken). =A0Excellent film and quite creepy in a way.
>
> > --tension
>
> You have a point. There is a difference between mystery and suspense.
> What about Thriller? Is it closer to mystery or suspense?-

A thriller would be very close to suspense, perhaps a sub-type of
suspense which includes a lot of visceral shocks as part of the
suspense, maybe?

But I would think that once you get into the "thriller" or "shock"
category you are farther away from mystery than ever, as the point of
the movie becomes rapid sequences of instant gratification for the
sensations of the audience, as opposed to the longer term goal of a
mystery where you really don't get any satisfaction until the end.
Perhaps the best films of all contain the perfect balance of all these
components.

Also, thrillers are edging towards that fine line between suspense and
slasher, depending on how far they are willing to go for the thrills.
There used to be little difference between suspense films and the
first slasher movies because they were so thick with suspense, but
that is long gone as these days every single person who goes into a
slasher flick knows exactly what they are going to get and there is no
suspense at all, just a mesmeric anticipation of gore. I haven't seen
a slasher film in the last twenty years that compares with the
grotesque feeling of watching "Texas Chain Saw Massacre" when it first
came out, as pointless and cheesy as that movie was.

--tension




 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 21:32:10
From:
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 8:06=A0pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:57:58 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Feb 16, 7:55=A0pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:00:12 -0800 (PST), myriadsmallcreature
>
> >> <myriadsmallcreat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Feb 16, 1:49=A0pm, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> No "Chinatown" invalidates this list.
>
> >> >In a bizarrely coincidental case of life resembling art, the story
> >> >goes that Jack Nicholson, well into his 20's, believed that his mothe=
r
> >> >was his sister.
>
> >> >You could look it up.
>
> >> >I always thought that 'Howard the Duck' was one of the great mysterie=
s
> >> >of cinema.
>
> >> And, 'Whisper the Clown' remains one of the great mysteries of rst.
>
> >The word Great and Whisper cannot be in the same sentence. I assume
> >meant 'travesties'
>
> thanks for pointing that out. it should have been transvestite.

Thats appropriate.



 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 21:20:23
From: Jim Beam
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 9:06=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 8:03=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 9:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 5:43=A0pm, tension_on_the_wire <tension_at_h...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 16, 9:34=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertig=
o, the
> > > > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; =
but in
> > > > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in whi=
ch
> > > > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with m=
e on
> > > > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns h=
appen
> > > > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a myster=
y.
> > > > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going =
with
> > > > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I ha=
vent
> > > > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > > > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > > > I would think that the type of movie you describe falls under the
> > > > category of suspense, when you don't know what will happen next. =
=A0But
> > > > a mystery has a plot that requires solving before the end of the
> > > > story. =A0One good candidate for both categories would be "Shallow
> > > > Graves" by Danny Boyle (I think it was Ewan McGregor's first film, =
if
> > > > I'm not mistaken). =A0Excellent film and quite creepy in a way.
>
> > > > --tension
>
> > > You have a point. There is a difference between mystery and suspense.
> > > What about Thriller? Is it closer to mystery or suspense?-
>
> > thriller and suspense are pretty close to each other. =A0mysteries
> > generally are less suspenseful since you're waiting for an answer.
>
> What about the Sherlock Holmes stories? Suspense, Mystery or Thriller?- H=
ide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well what about them? I'd rather Rod Serling "Night Gallery"


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 18:06:38
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 8:03=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 9:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 5:43=A0pm, tension_on_the_wire <tension_at_h...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 9:34=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertigo,=
the
> > > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; bu=
t in
> > > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
> > > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me =
on
> > > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns hap=
pen
> > > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
> > > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going wi=
th
> > > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I have=
nt
> > > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > > I would think that the type of movie you describe falls under the
> > > category of suspense, when you don't know what will happen next. =A0B=
ut
> > > a mystery has a plot that requires solving before the end of the
> > > story. =A0One good candidate for both categories would be "Shallow
> > > Graves" by Danny Boyle (I think it was Ewan McGregor's first film, if
> > > I'm not mistaken). =A0Excellent film and quite creepy in a way.
>
> > > --tension
>
> > You have a point. There is a difference between mystery and suspense.
> > What about Thriller? Is it closer to mystery or suspense?-
>
> thriller and suspense are pretty close to each other. =A0mysteries
> generally are less suspenseful since you're waiting for an answer.

What about the Sherlock Holmes stories? Suspense, Mystery or Thriller?



 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 18:03:31
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 9:01=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 5:43=A0pm, tension_on_the_wire <tension_at_h...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 9:34=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertigo, t=
he
> > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but =
in
> > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
> > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me on
> > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns happe=
n
> > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
> > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going with
> > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I havent
> > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > I would think that the type of movie you describe falls under the
> > category of suspense, when you don't know what will happen next. =A0But
> > a mystery has a plot that requires solving before the end of the
> > story. =A0One good candidate for both categories would be "Shallow
> > Graves" by Danny Boyle (I think it was Ewan McGregor's first film, if
> > I'm not mistaken). =A0Excellent film and quite creepy in a way.
>
> > --tension
>
> You have a point. There is a difference between mystery and suspense.
> What about Thriller? Is it closer to mystery or suspense?-

thriller and suspense are pretty close to each other. mysteries
generally are less suspenseful since you're waiting for an answer.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 18:01:03
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 5:43=A0pm, tension_on_the_wire <tension_at_h...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> On Feb 16, 9:34=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertigo, the
> > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but in
> > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
> > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me on
> > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns happen
> > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
> > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going with
> > her for most of the movie.
>
> > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I havent
> > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > constitutes a mystery.
>
> I would think that the type of movie you describe falls under the
> category of suspense, when you don't know what will happen next. =A0But
> a mystery has a plot that requires solving before the end of the
> story. =A0One good candidate for both categories would be "Shallow
> Graves" by Danny Boyle (I think it was Ewan McGregor's first film, if
> I'm not mistaken). =A0Excellent film and quite creepy in a way.
>
> --tension

You have a point. There is a difference between mystery and suspense.
What about Thriller? Is it closer to mystery or suspense?



 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 17:59:54
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 7:51=A0pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> >Joseph Cotten was superb in "Shadow of a Doubt".
>
> Joseph Cotten was superb period. Never got the recognition he
> deserved.

He should at least got a best supporting nomination for Gaslight.
Think of all the clowns who get nominated. I still can't believe
Robert Downey Jr got nominated for supporting actor for Tropic
Thunder. What was so great about that performance?


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 17:57:58
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 7:55=A0pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:00:12 -0800 (PST), myriadsmallcreature
>
> <myriadsmallcreat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 16, 1:49=A0pm, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> No "Chinatown" invalidates this list.
>
> >In a bizarrely coincidental case of life resembling art, the story
> >goes that Jack Nicholson, well into his 20's, believed that his mother
> >was his sister.
>
> >You could look it up.
>
> >I always thought that 'Howard the Duck' was one of the great mysteries
> >of cinema.
>
> And, 'Whisper the Clown' remains one of the great mysteries of rst.

The word Great and Whisper cannot be in the same sentence. I assume
meant 'travesties'



  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 02:06:16
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:57:58 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepfloyes@gmail.com >
wrote:

>On Feb 16, 7:55 pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:00:12 -0800 (PST), myriadsmallcreature
>>
>> <myriadsmallcreat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Feb 16, 1:49 pm, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> No "Chinatown" invalidates this list.
>>
>> >In a bizarrely coincidental case of life resembling art, the story
>> >goes that Jack Nicholson, well into his 20's, believed that his mother
>> >was his sister.
>>
>> >You could look it up.
>>
>> >I always thought that 'Howard the Duck' was one of the great mysteries
>> >of cinema.
>>
>> And, 'Whisper the Clown' remains one of the great mysteries of rst.
>
>The word Great and Whisper cannot be in the same sentence. I assume
>meant 'travesties'

thanks for pointing that out. it should have been transvestite.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 17:26:20
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 6:53=A0pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Raja wrote:
> > On Feb 16, 5:13 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 16, 4:54 pm, "JJ \(UK\)" <spammers.r.tw...@nobs.nobs> wrote:
>
> >>> "ahonkan" <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:23712dae-e5ee-4e1e-a895-6fa9e71c6023@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com=
...
> >>> On Feb 16, 2:38 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
> >>>> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window.
> >>>> In fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all
> >>>> great movies.
>
> >>>> I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
> >>>> Suspects didnt make it.
>
> >>> < much stuff deleted>
>
> >>>> You seem to be confusing rst with your personal blog. Those
> >>>> interested in your views on non-tennis things (and that includes
> >>>> lists of rock songs/ bands) will look up your home page.
> >>>> Pl do not post non-tennis stuff on this newsgroup.
> >>>> Thanks for your cooperation.
>
> >>> a perfectly reasonable request, expressed in perfectly reasonable
> >>> terms.
>
> >>> Still I find myself having to say..."Good luck with that."
>
> >>> JJ (UK)
>
> >> Les Diaboliques:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046911/
>
> > I belive they did a horrible remake of this. Sharon Stone was in it.
> > It was very awful just like every other Sharon Stone movie.
>
> She's good in Total Recall. A real bitch.

That was an average dated sci fi movie as well. Although it was found
some cult acceptance. I dont think she has ever acted in a classic
movie. Now compare that to Jodie Foster who was in a classic every
decade (Taxi Driver - 70s, The Accused - 80s, Silence of the Lambs -
90s, Panic Room - 00s).



  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 12:59:26
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
Raja wrote:
> On Feb 16, 6:53 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>> Raja wrote:
>>> On Feb 16, 5:13 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 16, 4:54 pm, "JJ \(UK\)" <spammers.r.tw...@nobs.nobs> wrote:
>>
>>>>> "ahonkan" <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>> news:23712dae-e5ee-4e1e-a895-6fa9e71c6023@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Feb 16, 2:38 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>>
>>>>>> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window.
>>>>>> In fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all
>>>>>> great movies.
>>
>>>>>> I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The
>>>>>> Usual Suspects didnt make it.
>>
>>>>> < much stuff deleted>
>>
>>>>>> You seem to be confusing rst with your personal blog. Those
>>>>>> interested in your views on non-tennis things (and that includes
>>>>>> lists of rock songs/ bands) will look up your home page.
>>>>>> Pl do not post non-tennis stuff on this newsgroup.
>>>>>> Thanks for your cooperation.
>>
>>>>> a perfectly reasonable request, expressed in perfectly reasonable
>>>>> terms.
>>
>>>>> Still I find myself having to say..."Good luck with that."
>>
>>>>> JJ (UK)
>>
>>>> Les Diaboliques:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046911/
>>
>>> I belive they did a horrible remake of this. Sharon Stone was in it.
>>> It was very awful just like every other Sharon Stone movie.
>>
>> She's good in Total Recall. A real bitch.
>
> That was an average dated sci fi movie as well. Although it was found
> some cult acceptance. I dont think she has ever acted in a classic
> movie. Now compare that to Jodie Foster who was in a classic every
> decade (Taxi Driver - 70s, The Accused - 80s, Silence of the Lambs -
> 90s, Panic Room - 00s).

No argument there. Jodie Foster is terrific.




   
Date: 17 Feb 2009 23:54:21
From: gemjack
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:59:26 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>>>>> Les Diaboliques:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046911/
>>>
>>>> I belive they did a horrible remake of this. Sharon Stone was in it.
>>>> It was very awful just like every other Sharon Stone movie.
>>>
>>> She's good in Total Recall. A real bitch.
>>
>> That was an average dated sci fi movie as well. Although it was found
>> some cult acceptance. I dont think she has ever acted in a classic
>> movie. Now compare that to Jodie Foster who was in a classic every
>> decade (Taxi Driver - 70s, The Accused - 80s, Silence of the Lambs -
>> 90s, Panic Room - 00s).
>
>No argument there. Jodie Foster is terrific.
>

I just saw her in Candleshoe. A forgotten classic.
-GJ


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 17:00:12
From: myriadsmallcreature
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 1:49=A0pm, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> No "Chinatown" invalidates this list.

In a bizarrely coincidental case of life resembling art, the story
goes that Jack Nicholson, well into his 20's, believed that his mother
was his sister.

You could look it up.

I always thought that 'Howard the Duck' was one of the great mysteries
of cinema.


  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 01:55:25
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:00:12 -0800 (PST), myriadsmallcreature
<myriadsmallcreature@yahoo.com > wrote:

>On Feb 16, 1:49 pm, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> No "Chinatown" invalidates this list.
>
>In a bizarrely coincidental case of life resembling art, the story
>goes that Jack Nicholson, well into his 20's, believed that his mother
>was his sister.
>
>You could look it up.
>
>I always thought that 'Howard the Duck' was one of the great mysteries
>of cinema.

And, 'Whisper the Clown' remains one of the great mysteries of rst.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 16:49:24
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 5:13=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 4:54=A0pm, "JJ \(UK\)" <spammers.r.tw...@nobs.nobs> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "ahonkan" <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:23712dae-e5ee-4e1e-a895-6fa9e71c6023@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com..=
.
> > On Feb 16, 2:38 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
> > > I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> > > fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> > > movies.
>
> > > I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
> > > Suspects didnt make it.
>
> > < much stuff deleted>
>
> > > =A0 =A0You seem to be confusing rst with your personal blog. Those
> > > =A0 =A0interested in your views on non-tennis things (and that includ=
es
> > > =A0 =A0lists of rock songs/ bands) will look up your home page.
> > > =A0 =A0Pl do not post non-tennis stuff on this newsgroup.
> > > =A0 =A0Thanks for your cooperation.
>
> > a perfectly reasonable request, expressed in perfectly reasonable terms=
.
>
> > Still I find myself having to say..."Good luck with that."
>
> > JJ (UK)
>
> Les Diaboliques:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046911/

I belive they did a horrible remake of this. Sharon Stone was in it.
It was very awful just like every other Sharon Stone movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116095/
>
> this is one of the very best, up there with Gaslight.



  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 11:53:24
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
Raja wrote:
> On Feb 16, 5:13 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 4:54 pm, "JJ \(UK\)" <spammers.r.tw...@nobs.nobs> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "ahonkan" <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> news:23712dae-e5ee-4e1e-a895-6fa9e71c6023@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Feb 16, 2:38 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>>
>>>> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window.
>>>> In fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all
>>>> great movies.
>>
>>>> I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
>>>> Suspects didnt make it.
>>
>>> < much stuff deleted>
>>
>>>> You seem to be confusing rst with your personal blog. Those
>>>> interested in your views on non-tennis things (and that includes
>>>> lists of rock songs/ bands) will look up your home page.
>>>> Pl do not post non-tennis stuff on this newsgroup.
>>>> Thanks for your cooperation.
>>
>>> a perfectly reasonable request, expressed in perfectly reasonable
>>> terms.
>>
>>> Still I find myself having to say..."Good luck with that."
>>
>>> JJ (UK)
>>
>> Les Diaboliques:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046911/
>
> I belive they did a horrible remake of this. Sharon Stone was in it.
> It was very awful just like every other Sharon Stone movie.

She's good in Total Recall. A real bitch.




 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 16:46:20
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 5:13=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 4:54=A0pm, "JJ \(UK\)" <spammers.r.tw...@nobs.nobs> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "ahonkan" <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:23712dae-e5ee-4e1e-a895-6fa9e71c6023@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com..=
.
> > On Feb 16, 2:38 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
> > > I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> > > fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> > > movies.
>
> > > I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
> > > Suspects didnt make it.
>
> > < much stuff deleted>
>
> > > =A0 =A0You seem to be confusing rst with your personal blog. Those
> > > =A0 =A0interested in your views on non-tennis things (and that includ=
es
> > > =A0 =A0lists of rock songs/ bands) will look up your home page.
> > > =A0 =A0Pl do not post non-tennis stuff on this newsgroup.
> > > =A0 =A0Thanks for your cooperation.
>
> > a perfectly reasonable request, expressed in perfectly reasonable terms=
.
>
> > Still I find myself having to say..."Good luck with that."
>
> > JJ (UK)
>
> Les Diaboliques:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046911/
>
> this is one of the very best, up there with Gaslight.

I like these kind of movies very much... with very few characters.
Gaslight, really, had only three main characters. The others (cook,
maid and neighbor) did nice small parts.



 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 16:44:13
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 5:11=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 5:44=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 3:34=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 4:09=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 16, 12:23=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 16, 1:13=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Feb 16, 12:06=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Feb 16, 12:34=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In =
Vertigo, the
> > > > > > > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > > > > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of myste=
ries; but in
> > > > > > > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > > > > > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie =
in which
> > > > > > > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree =
with me on
> > > > > > > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and t=
urns happen
> > > > > > > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a =
mystery.
> > > > > > > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is =
going with
> > > > > > > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > > > > > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense=
. I havent
> > > > > > > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you thi=
nk
> > > > > > > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > > > > > > "suspense, not surprise." =A0Alfred Hitchcock said in his fam=
ous
> > > > > > > interview with Francois Truffaut that what he (Hitchcock) was=
after
> > > > > > > was suspense primarily. =A0So, Hitchcock didn't mind revealin=
g a plot
> > > > > > > twist well before the ending because he wanted people to wond=
er what
> > > > > > > was happening next.
>
> > > > > > Yes, he is right there.
>
> > > > > > > =A0That's the thinking about why he revealed the
> > > > > > > answer in Vertigo well before the end.
>
> > > > > > > however, in a real mystery, you're kind of limited to having =
the
> > > > > > > surprise revealed at the end.
>
> > > > > > So you are drawing a line between suspense (surprise can be rev=
ealed
> > > > > > any time as long there are more twists and turns ahead) and mys=
tery
> > > > > > (the truth comes out only in the end)
>
> > > > > > > =A0(There are also enigmas, like 'Picnic
> > > > > > > at Hanging Rock', with no answer given.)
>
> > > > > > > Gaslight and Laura are the two best mysteries on your list.
>
> > > > > > Thanks, I will see Laura. I am mightily impressed by Gaslight. =
Bergman
> > > > > > was very good, but I think Boyer was just amazing, he should ha=
ve won
> > > > > > the Oscar. Cotten was good too. Its a wonder how he never becam=
e a big
> > > > > > star. Cotten was apparently never nominated for Oscar. Thats a =
shame!-
>
> > > > > Hitchcock's Dial M for Murder, also with Ray Milland, might be
> > > > > Alfred's purist mystery. =A0it's good stuff; and the principal cl=
ue is
> > > > > revealed only at the end.
>
> > > > What do you think of double indemnity? Just watching it on TCM-
>
> > > Double Indemnity is awesome, one of the great noirs. =A0Not really a
> > > mystery to the audience (since we know the answer right away).
>
> > > I've seen it many times. =A0I love it.
>
> > Barbara Stanwyck was amazing. She reminded me of Kathleen Turner in
> > Body Heat. I wasn't very impressed by Fred MacMurray's acting though.
> > He seemed a bit too emotionless for the whole movie.-
>
> Stanwyck's character was very controversial for the time. =A0they never
> had a woman play the baddy quite like that. =A0(also, Stanwyck was close
> to 40. =A0very few women can be that convincing at that age.)

What? She was 40? Damn, she didnt look like that AT ALL.

>
> MacMurray is stiff. =A0however, Edward G. Robinson steals the show.

Yes I agree



 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 15:43:58
From: tension_on_the_wire
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 9:34=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertigo, the
> > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but in
> > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
> you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me on
> this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns happen
> in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
> Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going with
> her for most of the movie.
>
> It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I havent
> seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> constitutes a mystery.

I would think that the type of movie you describe falls under the
category of suspense, when you don't know what will happen next. But
a mystery has a plot that requires solving before the end of the
story. One good candidate for both categories would be "Shallow
Graves" by Danny Boyle (I think it was Ewan McGregor's first film, if
I'm not mistaken). Excellent film and quite creepy in a way.

--tension


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 15:13:13
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 4:54=A0pm, "JJ \(UK\)" <spammers.r.tw...@nobs.nobs > wrote:
> "ahonkan" <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:23712dae-e5ee-4e1e-a895-6fa9e71c6023@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 16, 2:38 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
> > I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> > fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> > movies.
>
> > I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
> > Suspects didnt make it.
>
> < much stuff deleted>
>
> > =A0 =A0You seem to be confusing rst with your personal blog. Those
> > =A0 =A0interested in your views on non-tennis things (and that includes
> > =A0 =A0lists of rock songs/ bands) will look up your home page.
> > =A0 =A0Pl do not post non-tennis stuff on this newsgroup.
> > =A0 =A0Thanks for your cooperation.
>
> a perfectly reasonable request, expressed in perfectly reasonable terms.
>
> Still I find myself having to say..."Good luck with that."
>
> JJ (UK)

Les Diaboliques:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046911/

this is one of the very best, up there with Gaslight.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 15:11:46
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 5:44=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 3:34=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 4:09=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 12:23=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 16, 1:13=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 16, 12:06=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Feb 16, 12:34=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Ve=
rtigo, the
> > > > > > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > > > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteri=
es; but in
> > > > > > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > > > > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in=
which
> > > > > > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree wi=
th me on
> > > > > > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and tur=
ns happen
> > > > > > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a my=
stery.
> > > > > > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is go=
ing with
> > > > > > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > > > > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. =
I havent
> > > > > > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > > > > > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > > > > > "suspense, not surprise." =A0Alfred Hitchcock said in his famou=
s
> > > > > > interview with Francois Truffaut that what he (Hitchcock) was a=
fter
> > > > > > was suspense primarily. =A0So, Hitchcock didn't mind revealing =
a plot
> > > > > > twist well before the ending because he wanted people to wonder=
what
> > > > > > was happening next.
>
> > > > > Yes, he is right there.
>
> > > > > > =A0That's the thinking about why he revealed the
> > > > > > answer in Vertigo well before the end.
>
> > > > > > however, in a real mystery, you're kind of limited to having th=
e
> > > > > > surprise revealed at the end.
>
> > > > > So you are drawing a line between suspense (surprise can be revea=
led
> > > > > any time as long there are more twists and turns ahead) and myste=
ry
> > > > > (the truth comes out only in the end)
>
> > > > > > =A0(There are also enigmas, like 'Picnic
> > > > > > at Hanging Rock', with no answer given.)
>
> > > > > > Gaslight and Laura are the two best mysteries on your list.
>
> > > > > Thanks, I will see Laura. I am mightily impressed by Gaslight. Be=
rgman
> > > > > was very good, but I think Boyer was just amazing, he should have=
won
> > > > > the Oscar. Cotten was good too. Its a wonder how he never became =
a big
> > > > > star. Cotten was apparently never nominated for Oscar. Thats a sh=
ame!-
>
> > > > Hitchcock's Dial M for Murder, also with Ray Milland, might be
> > > > Alfred's purist mystery. =A0it's good stuff; and the principal clue=
is
> > > > revealed only at the end.
>
> > > What do you think of double indemnity? Just watching it on TCM-
>
> > Double Indemnity is awesome, one of the great noirs. =A0Not really a
> > mystery to the audience (since we know the answer right away).
>
> > I've seen it many times. =A0I love it.
>
> Barbara Stanwyck was amazing. She reminded me of Kathleen Turner in
> Body Heat. I wasn't very impressed by Fred MacMurray's acting though.
> He seemed a bit too emotionless for the whole movie.-

Stanwyck's character was very controversial for the time. they never
had a woman play the baddy quite like that. (also, Stanwyck was close
to 40. very few women can be that convincing at that age.)

MacMurray is stiff. however, Edward G. Robinson steals the show.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 14:44:47
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 3:34=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 4:09=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:23=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 1:13=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 16, 12:06=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 16, 12:34=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vert=
igo, the
> > > > > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries=
; but in
> > > > > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > > > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in w=
hich
> > > > > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with=
me on
> > > > > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns=
happen
> > > > > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a myst=
ery.
> > > > > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is goin=
g with
> > > > > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > > > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I =
havent
> > > > > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > > > > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > > > > "suspense, not surprise." =A0Alfred Hitchcock said in his famous
> > > > > interview with Francois Truffaut that what he (Hitchcock) was aft=
er
> > > > > was suspense primarily. =A0So, Hitchcock didn't mind revealing a =
plot
> > > > > twist well before the ending because he wanted people to wonder w=
hat
> > > > > was happening next.
>
> > > > Yes, he is right there.
>
> > > > > =A0That's the thinking about why he revealed the
> > > > > answer in Vertigo well before the end.
>
> > > > > however, in a real mystery, you're kind of limited to having the
> > > > > surprise revealed at the end.
>
> > > > So you are drawing a line between suspense (surprise can be reveale=
d
> > > > any time as long there are more twists and turns ahead) and mystery
> > > > (the truth comes out only in the end)
>
> > > > > =A0(There are also enigmas, like 'Picnic
> > > > > at Hanging Rock', with no answer given.)
>
> > > > > Gaslight and Laura are the two best mysteries on your list.
>
> > > > Thanks, I will see Laura. I am mightily impressed by Gaslight. Berg=
man
> > > > was very good, but I think Boyer was just amazing, he should have w=
on
> > > > the Oscar. Cotten was good too. Its a wonder how he never became a =
big
> > > > star. Cotten was apparently never nominated for Oscar. Thats a sham=
e!-
>
> > > Hitchcock's Dial M for Murder, also with Ray Milland, might be
> > > Alfred's purist mystery. =A0it's good stuff; and the principal clue i=
s
> > > revealed only at the end.
>
> > What do you think of double indemnity? Just watching it on TCM-
>
> Double Indemnity is awesome, one of the great noirs. =A0Not really a
> mystery to the audience (since we know the answer right away).
>
> I've seen it many times. =A0I love it.

Barbara Stanwyck was amazing. She reminded me of Kathleen Turner in
Body Heat. I wasn't very impressed by Fred MacMurray's acting though.
He seemed a bit too emotionless for the whole movie.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 14:43:04
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 4:25=A0pm, number_six <cyberi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 10:13=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:06=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 12:34=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertigo,=
the
> > > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; bu=
t in
> > > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
> > > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me =
on
> > > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns hap=
pen
> > > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
> > > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going wi=
th
> > > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I have=
nt
> > > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > > "suspense, not surprise." =A0Alfred Hitchcock said in his famous
> > > interview with Francois Truffaut that what he (Hitchcock) was after
> > > was suspense primarily. =A0So, Hitchcock didn't mind revealing a plot
> > > twist well before the ending because he wanted people to wonder what
> > > was happening next.
>
> > Yes, he is right there.
>
> > > =A0That's the thinking about why he revealed the
> > > answer in Vertigo well before the end.
>
> > > however, in a real mystery, you're kind of limited to having the
> > > surprise revealed at the end.
>
> > So you are drawing a line between suspense (surprise can be revealed
> > any time as long there are more twists and turns ahead) and mystery
> > (the truth comes out only in the end)
>
> > > =A0(There are also enigmas, like 'Picnic
> > > at Hanging Rock', with no answer given.)
>
> > > Gaslight and Laura are the two best mysteries on your list.
>
> > Thanks, I will see Laura. I am mightily impressed by Gaslight. Bergman
> > was very good, but I think Boyer was just amazing, he should have won
> > the Oscar. Cotten was good too. Its a wonder how he never became a big
> > star. Cotten was apparently never nominated for Oscar. Thats a shame!- =
Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Joseph Cotten was superb in "Shadow of a Doubt".-

I agree. I love 'Shadow'. However, Hitchcock reveals Cotten's true
character early in the film. so, there's little *mystery* (to us).



 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 13:34:05
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 4:09=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 12:23=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 1:13=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 12:06=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 16, 12:34=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertig=
o, the
> > > > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; =
but in
> > > > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in whi=
ch
> > > > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with m=
e on
> > > > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns h=
appen
> > > > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a myster=
y.
> > > > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going =
with
> > > > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I ha=
vent
> > > > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > > > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > > > "suspense, not surprise." =A0Alfred Hitchcock said in his famous
> > > > interview with Francois Truffaut that what he (Hitchcock) was after
> > > > was suspense primarily. =A0So, Hitchcock didn't mind revealing a pl=
ot
> > > > twist well before the ending because he wanted people to wonder wha=
t
> > > > was happening next.
>
> > > Yes, he is right there.
>
> > > > =A0That's the thinking about why he revealed the
> > > > answer in Vertigo well before the end.
>
> > > > however, in a real mystery, you're kind of limited to having the
> > > > surprise revealed at the end.
>
> > > So you are drawing a line between suspense (surprise can be revealed
> > > any time as long there are more twists and turns ahead) and mystery
> > > (the truth comes out only in the end)
>
> > > > =A0(There are also enigmas, like 'Picnic
> > > > at Hanging Rock', with no answer given.)
>
> > > > Gaslight and Laura are the two best mysteries on your list.
>
> > > Thanks, I will see Laura. I am mightily impressed by Gaslight. Bergma=
n
> > > was very good, but I think Boyer was just amazing, he should have won
> > > the Oscar. Cotten was good too. Its a wonder how he never became a bi=
g
> > > star. Cotten was apparently never nominated for Oscar. Thats a shame!=
-
>
> > Hitchcock's Dial M for Murder, also with Ray Milland, might be
> > Alfred's purist mystery. =A0it's good stuff; and the principal clue is
> > revealed only at the end.
>
> What do you think of double indemnity? Just watching it on TCM-

Double Indemnity is awesome, one of the great noirs. Not really a
mystery to the audience (since we know the answer right away).

I've seen it many times. I love it.




 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 13:29:15
From: number_six
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 11:49=A0am, Sao Paulo Swallow <Sao_Paulo_Swal...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> No "Chinatown" invalidates this list.

Unless they drew some unconvincing distinction between mystery and
film noir, I have to agree, it's a puzzling omission. That's a top
tenner for sure.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 13:25:57
From: number_six
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 10:13=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 12:06=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:34=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertigo, t=
he
> > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but =
in
> > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
> > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me on
> > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns happe=
n
> > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
> > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going with
> > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I havent
> > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > "suspense, not surprise." =A0Alfred Hitchcock said in his famous
> > interview with Francois Truffaut that what he (Hitchcock) was after
> > was suspense primarily. =A0So, Hitchcock didn't mind revealing a plot
> > twist well before the ending because he wanted people to wonder what
> > was happening next.
>
> Yes, he is right there.
>
> > =A0That's the thinking about why he revealed the
> > answer in Vertigo well before the end.
>
> > however, in a real mystery, you're kind of limited to having the
> > surprise revealed at the end.
>
> So you are drawing a line between suspense (surprise can be revealed
> any time as long there are more twists and turns ahead) and mystery
> (the truth comes out only in the end)
>
> > =A0(There are also enigmas, like 'Picnic
> > at Hanging Rock', with no answer given.)
>
> > Gaslight and Laura are the two best mysteries on your list.
>
> Thanks, I will see Laura. I am mightily impressed by Gaslight. Bergman
> was very good, but I think Boyer was just amazing, he should have won
> the Oscar. Cotten was good too. Its a wonder how he never became a big
> star. Cotten was apparently never nominated for Oscar. Thats a shame!- Hi=
de quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Joseph Cotten was superb in "Shadow of a Doubt".


  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 01:51:57
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:25:57 -0800 (PST), number_six
<cyberiade@hotmail.com > wrote:

>On Feb 16, 10:13 am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 12:06 pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 16, 12:34 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Feb 16, 11:03 am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries.  (In Vertigo, the
>> > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>>
>> > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but in
>> > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>>
>> > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
>> > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me on
>> > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns happen
>> > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
>> > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going with
>> > > her for most of the movie.
>>
>> > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I havent
>> > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
>> > > constitutes a mystery.
>>
>> > "suspense, not surprise."  Alfred Hitchcock said in his famous
>> > interview with Francois Truffaut that what he (Hitchcock) was after
>> > was suspense primarily.  So, Hitchcock didn't mind revealing a plot
>> > twist well before the ending because he wanted people to wonder what
>> > was happening next.
>>
>> Yes, he is right there.
>>
>> >  That's the thinking about why he revealed the
>> > answer in Vertigo well before the end.
>>
>> > however, in a real mystery, you're kind of limited to having the
>> > surprise revealed at the end.
>>
>> So you are drawing a line between suspense (surprise can be revealed
>> any time as long there are more twists and turns ahead) and mystery
>> (the truth comes out only in the end)
>>
>> >  (There are also enigmas, like 'Picnic
>> > at Hanging Rock', with no answer given.)
>>
>> > Gaslight and Laura are the two best mysteries on your list.
>>
>> Thanks, I will see Laura. I am mightily impressed by Gaslight. Bergman
>> was very good, but I think Boyer was just amazing, he should have won
>> the Oscar. Cotten was good too. Its a wonder how he never became a big
>> star. Cotten was apparently never nominated for Oscar. Thats a shame!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Joseph Cotten was superb in "Shadow of a Doubt".

Joseph Cotten was superb period. Never got the recognition he
deserved.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 13:09:01
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 12:23=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 1:13=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:06=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 12:34=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertigo,=
the
> > > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; bu=
t in
> > > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
> > > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me =
on
> > > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns hap=
pen
> > > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
> > > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going wi=
th
> > > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I have=
nt
> > > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > > "suspense, not surprise." =A0Alfred Hitchcock said in his famous
> > > interview with Francois Truffaut that what he (Hitchcock) was after
> > > was suspense primarily. =A0So, Hitchcock didn't mind revealing a plot
> > > twist well before the ending because he wanted people to wonder what
> > > was happening next.
>
> > Yes, he is right there.
>
> > > =A0That's the thinking about why he revealed the
> > > answer in Vertigo well before the end.
>
> > > however, in a real mystery, you're kind of limited to having the
> > > surprise revealed at the end.
>
> > So you are drawing a line between suspense (surprise can be revealed
> > any time as long there are more twists and turns ahead) and mystery
> > (the truth comes out only in the end)
>
> > > =A0(There are also enigmas, like 'Picnic
> > > at Hanging Rock', with no answer given.)
>
> > > Gaslight and Laura are the two best mysteries on your list.
>
> > Thanks, I will see Laura. I am mightily impressed by Gaslight. Bergman
> > was very good, but I think Boyer was just amazing, he should have won
> > the Oscar. Cotten was good too. Its a wonder how he never became a big
> > star. Cotten was apparently never nominated for Oscar. Thats a shame!-
>
> Hitchcock's Dial M for Murder, also with Ray Milland, might be
> Alfred's purist mystery. =A0it's good stuff; and the principal clue is
> revealed only at the end.

What do you think of double indemnity? Just watching it on TCM


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 11:49:01
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
No "Chinatown" invalidates this list.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 11:43:40
From: progea
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
Watch off, Raja!


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 10:23:59
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 1:13=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 12:06=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:34=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertigo, t=
he
> > > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but =
in
> > > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
> > > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me on
> > > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns happe=
n
> > > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
> > > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going with
> > > her for most of the movie.
>
> > > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I havent
> > > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > > constitutes a mystery.
>
> > "suspense, not surprise." =A0Alfred Hitchcock said in his famous
> > interview with Francois Truffaut that what he (Hitchcock) was after
> > was suspense primarily. =A0So, Hitchcock didn't mind revealing a plot
> > twist well before the ending because he wanted people to wonder what
> > was happening next.
>
> Yes, he is right there.
>
> > =A0That's the thinking about why he revealed the
> > answer in Vertigo well before the end.
>
> > however, in a real mystery, you're kind of limited to having the
> > surprise revealed at the end.
>
> So you are drawing a line between suspense (surprise can be revealed
> any time as long there are more twists and turns ahead) and mystery
> (the truth comes out only in the end)
>
> > =A0(There are also enigmas, like 'Picnic
> > at Hanging Rock', with no answer given.)
>
> > Gaslight and Laura are the two best mysteries on your list.
>
> Thanks, I will see Laura. I am mightily impressed by Gaslight. Bergman
> was very good, but I think Boyer was just amazing, he should have won
> the Oscar. Cotten was good too. Its a wonder how he never became a big
> star. Cotten was apparently never nominated for Oscar. Thats a shame!-

Hitchcock's Dial M for Murder, also with Ray Milland, might be
Alfred's purist mystery. it's good stuff; and the principal clue is
revealed only at the end.





 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 10:13:20
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 12:06=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 12:34=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertigo, the
> > > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but in
> > > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> > I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
> > you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me on
> > this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns happen
> > in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
> > Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going with
> > her for most of the movie.
>
> > It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I havent
> > seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> > constitutes a mystery.
>
> "suspense, not surprise." =A0Alfred Hitchcock said in his famous
> interview with Francois Truffaut that what he (Hitchcock) was after
> was suspense primarily. =A0So, Hitchcock didn't mind revealing a plot
> twist well before the ending because he wanted people to wonder what
> was happening next.

Yes, he is right there.
> =A0That's the thinking about why he revealed the
> answer in Vertigo well before the end.
>
> however, in a real mystery, you're kind of limited to having the
> surprise revealed at the end.

So you are drawing a line between suspense (surprise can be revealed
any time as long there are more twists and turns ahead) and mystery
(the truth comes out only in the end)

> =A0(There are also enigmas, like 'Picnic
> at Hanging Rock', with no answer given.)
>
> Gaslight and Laura are the two best mysteries on your list.

Thanks, I will see Laura. I am mightily impressed by Gaslight. Bergman
was very good, but I think Boyer was just amazing, he should have won
the Oscar. Cotten was good too. Its a wonder how he never became a big
star. Cotten was apparently never nominated for Oscar. Thats a shame!




 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 10:06:37
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 12:34=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertigo, the
> > surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> > you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but in
> > 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
> I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
> you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me on
> this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns happen
> in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
> Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going with
> her for most of the movie.
>
> It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I havent
> seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
> constitutes a mystery.

"suspense, not surprise." Alfred Hitchcock said in his famous
interview with Francois Truffaut that what he (Hitchcock) was after
was suspense primarily. So, Hitchcock didn't mind revealing a plot
twist well before the ending because he wanted people to wonder what
was happening next. That's the thinking about why he revealed the
answer in Vertigo well before the end.

however, in a real mystery, you're kind of limited to having the
surprise revealed at the end. (There are also enigmas, like 'Picnic
at Hanging Rock', with no answer given.)

Gaslight and Laura are the two best mysteries on your list.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 09:34:53
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 11:03=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. =A0(In Vertigo, the
> surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
> you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but in
> 'Picnic', the answer is never given.

I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me on
this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns happen
in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going with
her for most of the movie.

It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I havent
seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
constitutes a mystery.




  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 01:48:37
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:34:53 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepfloyes@gmail.com >
wrote:

>On Feb 16, 11:03 am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries.  (In Vertigo, the
>> surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>>
>> you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but in
>> 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>
>I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
>you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me on
>this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns happen
>in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
>Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going with
>her for most of the movie.
>
>It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I havent
>seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
>constitutes a mystery.
>


The greatest mystery of all ?


7543


   
Date: 19 Feb 2009 16:32:36
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time

"Superdave" <the.big.rst.kahuna@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:rq5kp4ppafqp82sn6jqmuqds8110es5heb@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:34:53 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepfloyes@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 16, 11:03 am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. (In Vertigo, the
>>> surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>>>
>>> you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but in
>>> 'Picnic', the answer is never given.
>>
>>I think you can call it a mystery if it is a type of movie in which
>>you don't know what will happen next. Not many might agree with me on
>>this. But for me, it is mysterious if a lot of twists and turns happen
>>in the movie. For me, Casablanca is not a love story but a mystery.
>>Ilsa does not reveal (to Rick) much about what the hell is going with
>>her for most of the movie.
>>
>>It does not have to be a whodunnit to be a mystery/suspense. I havent
>>seen those two movies but I would like to know what you think
>>constitutes a mystery.
>>
>
>
> The greatest mystery of all ?
>
>
> 7543

wuf ! a.




 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 09:28:05
From: Me
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 11:41=EF=BF=BDam, "Sean Carroll" <seanc...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "Raja" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> > fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> > movies.
>
> Oh, mystery *movies*!
>
> When I saw this header, I thought it was going to be something like this:
>
> 10 What happened to Amelia Earhart?
>
> 9 Who was Jack the Ripper?
>
> 8 How does George W Bush manage to perform simple manual tasks, despite
> being born without a functional brain stem?
>
> and such forth.
>
> --
> --Seanhttp://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/profile.php?id=3D1062439264&ref=
=3Dprofilehttp://spclsd223.livejournal.com
>
> 'I am extremely disappointed. I send you out for exciting new designer
> drugs, and you come back with tomato sauce.' --Dr Gregory House
>
> [looking at a child's stuffed toy] 'Okay, elephants are not purple. This =
is
> WRONG.' --Dr Temperance Brennan

"Carroll Sean is moron fucktard who makes Beavis and Butthead look
like rocket scientists."- House


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 09:03:22
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 4:38=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> movies.
>
> I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
> Suspects didnt make it.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> 10. =A0L.A. Confidential =96 1997
>
> This film feels like the 1950's noir fiction that it represents.
> Originally a James Ellroy novel, it's a gritty, seedy story of
> corruption, sex, and murder where you can trust no one and the famous
> and wealthy of Los Angeles get mixed up in the dirty underbelly of the
> city. =A0It starts with a mass murder at a coffee shop and devolves into
> an organized crime story involving pornography, heroin and politics.
> Office Bud White (Russell Crowe) is a monster of a cop but his
> partner, Dick Stensland, was thrown off the force following a police
> brutality case. =A0Bud hates the man who testified against Stensland and
> they both are involved in the crime investigation where Stensland is
> one of the victims. =A0The man: Detective Edmund Exley (Guy Pierce), a
> straight-laced and brilliant detective who plays exactly by the book.
> Enter the third cop involved in the investigation, Sergeant Jack
> Vincennes (Kevin Spacey). =A0He's a celebrity cop who works in
> television as an advisor, has ties to Hush-Hush magazine and leaks
> details of celebrity arrests to the press, for a fee.
> The twists and turns are exquisite and the atmosphere is unbeatable.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Kevin Spacey, Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce,
> James Cromwell, Kim Basinger, Danny DeVito
> DIRECTOR Curtis Hanson
> SCREENWRITERS Brian Helgeland, Curtis Hanson
>
> 9. The Big Lebowski - 1998
>
> In a case of mistaken identity, two thugs rough up Lebowski (Jeff
> Bridges) and piss on his rug. =A0These guys thought Lebowski's wife owed
> Jackie Treehorn (Ben Gazzara) some money. =A0Now Lebowski likes to be
> known as =93The Dude=94 and he likes walking around in a bathrobe and he
> wants to get paid for his ruined rug, so he goes out to find the other
> Jeffrey Lebowski and get some recompense.
> What he finds is Bunny Lebowski, the Big Lebowski's trophy wife. =A0She
> happens to also be a nymphomaniac. =A0He also finds a rug he likes and
> he steals it. =A0But Bunny goes missing and the Big Lebowski figures out
> that The Dude can identify the men who probably kidnapped her. =A0Enter
> The Dude's bowling buddy, Walter Sobchak (John Goodman) who comes up
> with the idea of ripping off the kidnappers and the Big Lebowski.
> Things just go downhill from there.
> This is a quotable movie and a Coen Brother's masterpiece.
>
> PRINCIPAL CAST Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Steve Buscemi, Julianne
> Moore, Philip Seymour Hoffman
> DIRECTOR Joel Coen
> SCREENWRITERS Ethan Coen, Joel Coen
>
> 8. Gaslight =96 1944
> An amazing psychological mystery that has been made and remade, this
> is however, the best version of the film.
> Paula (Ingrid Bergman) discovers her aunts dead body in their home and
> her aunt's jewels missing. The murder goes unsolved and Paula is then
> sent to a music school in Italy where she remains until she marries an
> older man and pianist, Gregory (Charles Boyer), who convinces her to
> move back into the London house.
> Shortly upon arrival in the home, Paula receives a mysterious
> letter... and the psychological games begin.
> The mystery and suspense in this movie is palpable. =A0Poor Paula is put
> through the wringer and the audience is a long for the ride.
> Note from Rick: =A0I've heard of this Ingrid Bergman actress before.
> I've been told she's pretty good. =A0I guess I ought to watch something
> with her in it. =A0This one seems like a reasonable place to start.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, Joseph Cotten,
> Dame May Whitty
> DIRECTOR George Cukor
> SCREENWRITERS John Van Druten, Walter Reisch, John L. Balderston
> =A07. The Postman Always Rings Twice - 1946
>
> A young drifter named Frank (John Garfield) stops at a diner for a
> meal and gets a job working for the beautiful Cora (Lana Turner) and
> her much older husband, Nick (Cecil Kellaway). =A0Frank and Cora have an
> affair and naturally they plot to murder Nick in order to take the
> diner and get him out of the way.
> The problem is that Nick isn't easy to kill and the crime isn't easy
> to cover up, especially with a talented local prosecutor, Kyle Sackett
> (Leon Ames). =A0 =A0The investigation and its twists are where the real
> mystery is, because both Frank and Cora are trying to save their own
> necks which leaves the truth far behind.
> It's a classic with one of the best ending twists in film. =A0A true
> masterpiece.
>
> PRINCIPAL CAST Lana Turner, John Garfield, Cecil Kellaway
> DIRECTOR Tay Garnett
> SCREENWRITERS Harry Ruskin, Niven Busch
>
> 6. North by Northwest - 1959
>
> This is our first Hitchcock film and it's another case of mistaken
> identity. =A0Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant), a New York advertising
> executive, is mistaken for a government agent named George Kaplan.
> Captured and interrogated by Phillip Vandamm (James Mason), he's
> confused and denies any knowledge so Vandamm orders Leonard (Martin
> Landau) to kill him.
> In order to make the murder look like an accident they stage a drunken
> car crash and force Roger to drink a lot of bourbon. =A0Roger escapes,
> but is arrested for drunk driving and can't convince anyone that he
> was forced to drink until drunk, not even his mother. =A0In order to
> prove his story, Roger decides to find the real George Kaplan.
> And that's where the story gets complicated, and dangerous, and wild
> and more complicated. =A0 It's a turn a minute and a story wrapped up in
> suspense. =A0Hitchcock really knew what he was doing.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Cary Grant, Eva Marie Saint, James Mason
> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
> SCREENWRITER Ernest Lehman
>
> 5. In the Heat of the Night - 1967
>
> =93They call me Mister Tibbs.=94
> That's the quote most remembered from this racially charged breakout
> movie. =A0Sidney Poitier plays Virgil Tibbs, a black man from out of
> state who is picked up a train station following the murder of a
> wealthy man in Sparta, Mississippi. =A0Chief Gillespie (Rod Steiger)
> pegs him for guilty right away because he has too much cash in his
> wallet for a =93colored man.=94 =A0Mr. Tibbs is a Philadelphia homicide
> detective who just wants to leave, but after he clears his name he is
> convinced to help out in the case.
> This story winds down the deep South's pathways of racism and
> discrimination. =A0It was quite the movie to be shown in 1967 and still
> remains one of the greatest statement movies of our time as well as
> being a fantastic mystery. =A0What starts out as bigotry leads to
> respect.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, Lee Grant
> DIRECTOR Norman Jewison
> SCREENWRITER Stirling Silliphant
>
> 4. Laura - 1944
> When a body is found in socialite and beauty Laura Hunt's (Gene
> Tierney) apartment, it's a death that rocks everyone. =A0Police
> Detective Mark McPherson (Dana Andrews), becomes obsessed and falls a
> little in love with the deceased Laura. As he interviews all the usual
> suspects including her best friend and mentor (Clifton Webb) and her
> boyfriend (Vincent Price) it seems everyone loves Laura.
>
> He returns to her apartment one night only to have her walk through
> the door, very much alive.
> This is a wonderful and unusual example of a whodunit. =A0All the
> characters are obviously in love with Laura and all are against each
> other, giving reasons for the other admirers to have tried to murder
> her. =A0Twists and turns and suspense, galore!
> Note from Rick: I haven't seen this movie. =A0I don't know anything
> about it. =A0I run away from movies with single name titles, especially
> when the single name is female. =A0It's not that I'm a chauvinist about
> it, it's that I'm a scared of romance and kissing and stuff and try to
> avoid it if at all possible.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Gene Tierney,Dana Andrews, Clifton Webb, Vincent Price,
> Judith Anderson, Laura Dern, Dean Stockwell
> DIRECTOR Otto Preminger
> SCREENWRITERS Jay Dratler, Samuel Hoffenstein, Elizabeth Reinhardt
> Novel: Vera Caspary
>
> 3. Seven - 1995
> Young cop, David Mills (Brad Pitt), teams up with the more seasoned
> detective, William Somerset (Morgan Freeman), to catch a serial
> killer. =A0The killer is using the seven deadly sins as his MO making
> the murders hard to solve, and extremely grotesque. =A0The two cops have
> different approaches to the handling of the case and two different
> views on the killer. =A0Somerset is trying the more psychological route,
> while David dismisses the killers intelligence and considers him just
> another nut job.
> The film is really dark, moody and complex and very fricken creepy!
> Note from Rick: This is suspense done masterfully. =A0It made it to
> third on the list because David Fincher really honored Hitchcock with
> mood, if not a little overdone on gore.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Gwyneth Paltrow
> DIRECTOR David Fincher
> SCREENWRITER Andrew Kevin Walker
>
> 2. Vertigo - 1958
> San Francisco police Detective John "Scottie" Ferguson (James Stewart)
> retires from the force after his acrophobia causes him Vertigo and the
> inadvertent death of his partner. =A0He is then approached by an old
> college friend to keep an eye on his wife Madeleine (Kim Novak). =A0It
> seems Madeleine suffers from trances and an obsession with a dead and
> tragic ancestor named Carlotta. =A0Madeleine has no recollection of
> these trances and her husband is afraid for her life.
> Soon Scottie becomes as obsessed with Madeleine as she seems to be
> with Carlotta and when another tragedy strikes, it looks like Scottie
> will never be the same.
> This has all the elements of a powerful mystery; suspense, love, lust,
> tragedy, obsession, a healthy does of psychological games and
> betrayal. =A0Perfection.
> PRINCIPAL CAST James Stewart, Kim Novak, Barbara Bel Geddes
> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
> SCREENWRITERS Alec Coppel, Samuel A. Taylor
> 1. Rear Window - 1954
> When photographer L.B. "Jeff" Jeffries (James Stewart) is injured and
> confined to a wheelchair, he begins to pass his long days by people
> watching out his apartment window. =A0Late one night he witnesses odd
> ...
>
> read more =BB

North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. (In Vertigo, the
surprise is revealed well before the end.)

you could put 'Picnic at Hanging Rock' on a list of mysteries; but in
'Picnic', the answer is never given.


  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 08:48:24
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
Scott wrote:
> On Feb 16, 4:38 am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>>
>> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
>> fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
>> movies.
>>
>> I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
>> Suspects didnt make it.
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 10. L.A. Confidential - 1997
>>
>> This film feels like the 1950's noir fiction that it represents.
>> Originally a James Ellroy novel, it's a gritty, seedy story of
>> corruption, sex, and murder where you can trust no one and the famous
>> and wealthy of Los Angeles get mixed up in the dirty underbelly of
>> the city. It starts with a mass murder at a coffee shop and devolves
>> into an organized crime story involving pornography, heroin and
>> politics. Office Bud White (Russell Crowe) is a monster of a cop but
>> his partner, Dick Stensland, was thrown off the force following a
>> police brutality case. Bud hates the man who testified against
>> Stensland and they both are involved in the crime investigation
>> where Stensland is one of the victims. The man: Detective Edmund
>> Exley (Guy Pierce), a straight-laced and brilliant detective who
>> plays exactly by the book. Enter the third cop involved in the
>> investigation, Sergeant Jack Vincennes (Kevin Spacey). He's a
>> celebrity cop who works in television as an advisor, has ties to
>> Hush-Hush magazine and leaks details of celebrity arrests to the
>> press, for a fee.
>> The twists and turns are exquisite and the atmosphere is unbeatable.
>> PRINCIPAL CAST Kevin Spacey, Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce,
>> James Cromwell, Kim Basinger, Danny DeVito
>> DIRECTOR Curtis Hanson
>> SCREENWRITERS Brian Helgeland, Curtis Hanson
>>
>> 9. The Big Lebowski - 1998
>>
>> In a case of mistaken identity, two thugs rough up Lebowski (Jeff
>> Bridges) and piss on his rug. These guys thought Lebowski's wife owed
>> Jackie Treehorn (Ben Gazzara) some money. Now Lebowski likes to be
>> known as "The Dude" and he likes walking around in a bathrobe and he
>> wants to get paid for his ruined rug, so he goes out to find the
>> other Jeffrey Lebowski and get some recompense.
>> What he finds is Bunny Lebowski, the Big Lebowski's trophy wife. She
>> happens to also be a nymphomaniac. He also finds a rug he likes and
>> he steals it. But Bunny goes missing and the Big Lebowski figures out
>> that The Dude can identify the men who probably kidnapped her. Enter
>> The Dude's bowling buddy, Walter Sobchak (John Goodman) who comes up
>> with the idea of ripping off the kidnappers and the Big Lebowski.
>> Things just go downhill from there.
>> This is a quotable movie and a Coen Brother's masterpiece.
>>
>> PRINCIPAL CAST Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Steve Buscemi, Julianne
>> Moore, Philip Seymour Hoffman
>> DIRECTOR Joel Coen
>> SCREENWRITERS Ethan Coen, Joel Coen
>>
>> 8. Gaslight - 1944
>> An amazing psychological mystery that has been made and remade, this
>> is however, the best version of the film.
>> Paula (Ingrid Bergman) discovers her aunts dead body in their home
>> and her aunt's jewels missing. The murder goes unsolved and Paula is
>> then sent to a music school in Italy where she remains until she
>> marries an older man and pianist, Gregory (Charles Boyer), who
>> convinces her to move back into the London house.
>> Shortly upon arrival in the home, Paula receives a mysterious
>> letter... and the psychological games begin.
>> The mystery and suspense in this movie is palpable. Poor Paula is put
>> through the wringer and the audience is a long for the ride.
>> Note from Rick: I've heard of this Ingrid Bergman actress before.
>> I've been told she's pretty good. I guess I ought to watch something
>> with her in it. This one seems like a reasonable place to start.
>> PRINCIPAL CAST Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, Joseph Cotten,
>> Dame May Whitty
>> DIRECTOR George Cukor
>> SCREENWRITERS John Van Druten, Walter Reisch, John L. Balderston
>> 7. The Postman Always Rings Twice - 1946
>>
>> A young drifter named Frank (John Garfield) stops at a diner for a
>> meal and gets a job working for the beautiful Cora (Lana Turner) and
>> her much older husband, Nick (Cecil Kellaway). Frank and Cora have an
>> affair and naturally they plot to murder Nick in order to take the
>> diner and get him out of the way.
>> The problem is that Nick isn't easy to kill and the crime isn't easy
>> to cover up, especially with a talented local prosecutor, Kyle
>> Sackett (Leon Ames). The investigation and its twists are where the
>> real mystery is, because both Frank and Cora are trying to save
>> their own necks which leaves the truth far behind.
>> It's a classic with one of the best ending twists in film. A true
>> masterpiece.
>>
>> PRINCIPAL CAST Lana Turner, John Garfield, Cecil Kellaway
>> DIRECTOR Tay Garnett
>> SCREENWRITERS Harry Ruskin, Niven Busch
>>
>> 6. North by Northwest - 1959
>>
>> This is our first Hitchcock film and it's another case of mistaken
>> identity. Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant), a New York advertising
>> executive, is mistaken for a government agent named George Kaplan.
>> Captured and interrogated by Phillip Vandamm (James Mason), he's
>> confused and denies any knowledge so Vandamm orders Leonard (Martin
>> Landau) to kill him.
>> In order to make the murder look like an accident they stage a
>> drunken car crash and force Roger to drink a lot of bourbon. Roger
>> escapes, but is arrested for drunk driving and can't convince anyone
>> that he was forced to drink until drunk, not even his mother. In
>> order to prove his story, Roger decides to find the real George
>> Kaplan.
>> And that's where the story gets complicated, and dangerous, and wild
>> and more complicated. It's a turn a minute and a story wrapped up in
>> suspense. Hitchcock really knew what he was doing.
>> PRINCIPAL CAST Cary Grant, Eva Marie Saint, James Mason
>> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
>> SCREENWRITER Ernest Lehman
>>
>> 5. In the Heat of the Night - 1967
>>
>> "They call me Mister Tibbs."
>> That's the quote most remembered from this racially charged breakout
>> movie. Sidney Poitier plays Virgil Tibbs, a black man from out of
>> state who is picked up a train station following the murder of a
>> wealthy man in Sparta, Mississippi. Chief Gillespie (Rod Steiger)
>> pegs him for guilty right away because he has too much cash in his
>> wallet for a "colored man." Mr. Tibbs is a Philadelphia homicide
>> detective who just wants to leave, but after he clears his name he is
>> convinced to help out in the case.
>> This story winds down the deep South's pathways of racism and
>> discrimination. It was quite the movie to be shown in 1967 and still
>> remains one of the greatest statement movies of our time as well as
>> being a fantastic mystery. What starts out as bigotry leads to
>> respect.
>> PRINCIPAL CAST Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, Lee Grant
>> DIRECTOR Norman Jewison
>> SCREENWRITER Stirling Silliphant
>>
>> 4. Laura - 1944
>> When a body is found in socialite and beauty Laura Hunt's (Gene
>> Tierney) apartment, it's a death that rocks everyone. Police
>> Detective Mark McPherson (Dana Andrews), becomes obsessed and falls a
>> little in love with the deceased Laura. As he interviews all the
>> usual suspects including her best friend and mentor (Clifton Webb)
>> and her boyfriend (Vincent Price) it seems everyone loves Laura.
>>
>> He returns to her apartment one night only to have her walk through
>> the door, very much alive.
>> This is a wonderful and unusual example of a whodunit. All the
>> characters are obviously in love with Laura and all are against each
>> other, giving reasons for the other admirers to have tried to murder
>> her. Twists and turns and suspense, galore!
>> Note from Rick: I haven't seen this movie. I don't know anything
>> about it. I run away from movies with single name titles, especially
>> when the single name is female. It's not that I'm a chauvinist about
>> it, it's that I'm a scared of romance and kissing and stuff and try
>> to avoid it if at all possible.
>> PRINCIPAL CAST Gene Tierney,Dana Andrews, Clifton Webb, Vincent
>> Price, Judith Anderson, Laura Dern, Dean Stockwell
>> DIRECTOR Otto Preminger
>> SCREENWRITERS Jay Dratler, Samuel Hoffenstein, Elizabeth Reinhardt
>> Novel: Vera Caspary
>>
>> 3. Seven - 1995
>> Young cop, David Mills (Brad Pitt), teams up with the more seasoned
>> detective, William Somerset (Morgan Freeman), to catch a serial
>> killer. The killer is using the seven deadly sins as his MO making
>> the murders hard to solve, and extremely grotesque. The two cops have
>> different approaches to the handling of the case and two different
>> views on the killer. Somerset is trying the more psychological route,
>> while David dismisses the killers intelligence and considers him just
>> another nut job.
>> The film is really dark, moody and complex and very fricken creepy!
>> Note from Rick: This is suspense done masterfully. It made it to
>> third on the list because David Fincher really honored Hitchcock with
>> mood, if not a little overdone on gore.
>> PRINCIPAL CAST Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Gwyneth Paltrow
>> DIRECTOR David Fincher
>> SCREENWRITER Andrew Kevin Walker
>>
>> 2. Vertigo - 1958
>> San Francisco police Detective John "Scottie" Ferguson (James
>> Stewart) retires from the force after his acrophobia causes him
>> Vertigo and the inadvertent death of his partner. He is then
>> approached by an old college friend to keep an eye on his wife
>> Madeleine (Kim Novak). It seems Madeleine suffers from trances and
>> an obsession with a dead and tragic ancestor named Carlotta.
>> Madeleine has no recollection of these trances and her husband is
>> afraid for her life.
>> Soon Scottie becomes as obsessed with Madeleine as she seems to be
>> with Carlotta and when another tragedy strikes, it looks like Scottie
>> will never be the same.
>> This has all the elements of a powerful mystery; suspense, love,
>> lust, tragedy, obsession, a healthy does of psychological games and
>> betrayal. Perfection.
>> PRINCIPAL CAST James Stewart, Kim Novak, Barbara Bel Geddes
>> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
>> SCREENWRITERS Alec Coppel, Samuel A. Taylor
>> 1. Rear Window - 1954
>> When photographer L.B. "Jeff" Jeffries (James Stewart) is injured and
>> confined to a wheelchair, he begins to pass his long days by people
>> watching out his apartment window. Late one night he witnesses odd
>> ...
>>
>> read more »
>
> North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. (In Vertigo, the
> surprise is revealed well before the end.)

I haven't seen Vertigo, but I agree about North by Northwest. We know early on
who the bad guys are but we never find out what they are trying to get out of
the country. The disdainful, "Oh, government secrets perhaps" is all we get,
because Hitchcock didn't care and didn't believe the audience cared exactly what
was an the centre of what the bad guys were doing. It was just an excuse for
everything else. I'd call it a chase film with the usual romance thrown in.




   
Date: 17 Feb 2009 01:53:10
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:48:24 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>Scott wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 4:38 am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>>>
>>> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
>>> fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
>>> movies.
>>>
>>> I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
>>> Suspects didnt make it.
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> 10. L.A. Confidential - 1997
>>>
>>> This film feels like the 1950's noir fiction that it represents.
>>> Originally a James Ellroy novel, it's a gritty, seedy story of
>>> corruption, sex, and murder where you can trust no one and the famous
>>> and wealthy of Los Angeles get mixed up in the dirty underbelly of
>>> the city. It starts with a mass murder at a coffee shop and devolves
>>> into an organized crime story involving pornography, heroin and
>>> politics. Office Bud White (Russell Crowe) is a monster of a cop but
>>> his partner, Dick Stensland, was thrown off the force following a
>>> police brutality case. Bud hates the man who testified against
>>> Stensland and they both are involved in the crime investigation
>>> where Stensland is one of the victims. The man: Detective Edmund
>>> Exley (Guy Pierce), a straight-laced and brilliant detective who
>>> plays exactly by the book. Enter the third cop involved in the
>>> investigation, Sergeant Jack Vincennes (Kevin Spacey). He's a
>>> celebrity cop who works in television as an advisor, has ties to
>>> Hush-Hush magazine and leaks details of celebrity arrests to the
>>> press, for a fee.
>>> The twists and turns are exquisite and the atmosphere is unbeatable.
>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Kevin Spacey, Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce,
>>> James Cromwell, Kim Basinger, Danny DeVito
>>> DIRECTOR Curtis Hanson
>>> SCREENWRITERS Brian Helgeland, Curtis Hanson
>>>
>>> 9. The Big Lebowski - 1998
>>>
>>> In a case of mistaken identity, two thugs rough up Lebowski (Jeff
>>> Bridges) and piss on his rug. These guys thought Lebowski's wife owed
>>> Jackie Treehorn (Ben Gazzara) some money. Now Lebowski likes to be
>>> known as "The Dude" and he likes walking around in a bathrobe and he
>>> wants to get paid for his ruined rug, so he goes out to find the
>>> other Jeffrey Lebowski and get some recompense.
>>> What he finds is Bunny Lebowski, the Big Lebowski's trophy wife. She
>>> happens to also be a nymphomaniac. He also finds a rug he likes and
>>> he steals it. But Bunny goes missing and the Big Lebowski figures out
>>> that The Dude can identify the men who probably kidnapped her. Enter
>>> The Dude's bowling buddy, Walter Sobchak (John Goodman) who comes up
>>> with the idea of ripping off the kidnappers and the Big Lebowski.
>>> Things just go downhill from there.
>>> This is a quotable movie and a Coen Brother's masterpiece.
>>>
>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Steve Buscemi, Julianne
>>> Moore, Philip Seymour Hoffman
>>> DIRECTOR Joel Coen
>>> SCREENWRITERS Ethan Coen, Joel Coen
>>>
>>> 8. Gaslight - 1944
>>> An amazing psychological mystery that has been made and remade, this
>>> is however, the best version of the film.
>>> Paula (Ingrid Bergman) discovers her aunts dead body in their home
>>> and her aunt's jewels missing. The murder goes unsolved and Paula is
>>> then sent to a music school in Italy where she remains until she
>>> marries an older man and pianist, Gregory (Charles Boyer), who
>>> convinces her to move back into the London house.
>>> Shortly upon arrival in the home, Paula receives a mysterious
>>> letter... and the psychological games begin.
>>> The mystery and suspense in this movie is palpable. Poor Paula is put
>>> through the wringer and the audience is a long for the ride.
>>> Note from Rick: I've heard of this Ingrid Bergman actress before.
>>> I've been told she's pretty good. I guess I ought to watch something
>>> with her in it. This one seems like a reasonable place to start.
>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, Joseph Cotten,
>>> Dame May Whitty
>>> DIRECTOR George Cukor
>>> SCREENWRITERS John Van Druten, Walter Reisch, John L. Balderston
>>> 7. The Postman Always Rings Twice - 1946
>>>
>>> A young drifter named Frank (John Garfield) stops at a diner for a
>>> meal and gets a job working for the beautiful Cora (Lana Turner) and
>>> her much older husband, Nick (Cecil Kellaway). Frank and Cora have an
>>> affair and naturally they plot to murder Nick in order to take the
>>> diner and get him out of the way.
>>> The problem is that Nick isn't easy to kill and the crime isn't easy
>>> to cover up, especially with a talented local prosecutor, Kyle
>>> Sackett (Leon Ames). The investigation and its twists are where the
>>> real mystery is, because both Frank and Cora are trying to save
>>> their own necks which leaves the truth far behind.
>>> It's a classic with one of the best ending twists in film. A true
>>> masterpiece.
>>>
>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Lana Turner, John Garfield, Cecil Kellaway
>>> DIRECTOR Tay Garnett
>>> SCREENWRITERS Harry Ruskin, Niven Busch
>>>
>>> 6. North by Northwest - 1959
>>>
>>> This is our first Hitchcock film and it's another case of mistaken
>>> identity. Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant), a New York advertising
>>> executive, is mistaken for a government agent named George Kaplan.
>>> Captured and interrogated by Phillip Vandamm (James Mason), he's
>>> confused and denies any knowledge so Vandamm orders Leonard (Martin
>>> Landau) to kill him.
>>> In order to make the murder look like an accident they stage a
>>> drunken car crash and force Roger to drink a lot of bourbon. Roger
>>> escapes, but is arrested for drunk driving and can't convince anyone
>>> that he was forced to drink until drunk, not even his mother. In
>>> order to prove his story, Roger decides to find the real George
>>> Kaplan.
>>> And that's where the story gets complicated, and dangerous, and wild
>>> and more complicated. It's a turn a minute and a story wrapped up in
>>> suspense. Hitchcock really knew what he was doing.
>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Cary Grant, Eva Marie Saint, James Mason
>>> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
>>> SCREENWRITER Ernest Lehman
>>>
>>> 5. In the Heat of the Night - 1967
>>>
>>> "They call me Mister Tibbs."
>>> That's the quote most remembered from this racially charged breakout
>>> movie. Sidney Poitier plays Virgil Tibbs, a black man from out of
>>> state who is picked up a train station following the murder of a
>>> wealthy man in Sparta, Mississippi. Chief Gillespie (Rod Steiger)
>>> pegs him for guilty right away because he has too much cash in his
>>> wallet for a "colored man." Mr. Tibbs is a Philadelphia homicide
>>> detective who just wants to leave, but after he clears his name he is
>>> convinced to help out in the case.
>>> This story winds down the deep South's pathways of racism and
>>> discrimination. It was quite the movie to be shown in 1967 and still
>>> remains one of the greatest statement movies of our time as well as
>>> being a fantastic mystery. What starts out as bigotry leads to
>>> respect.
>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, Lee Grant
>>> DIRECTOR Norman Jewison
>>> SCREENWRITER Stirling Silliphant
>>>
>>> 4. Laura - 1944
>>> When a body is found in socialite and beauty Laura Hunt's (Gene
>>> Tierney) apartment, it's a death that rocks everyone. Police
>>> Detective Mark McPherson (Dana Andrews), becomes obsessed and falls a
>>> little in love with the deceased Laura. As he interviews all the
>>> usual suspects including her best friend and mentor (Clifton Webb)
>>> and her boyfriend (Vincent Price) it seems everyone loves Laura.
>>>
>>> He returns to her apartment one night only to have her walk through
>>> the door, very much alive.
>>> This is a wonderful and unusual example of a whodunit. All the
>>> characters are obviously in love with Laura and all are against each
>>> other, giving reasons for the other admirers to have tried to murder
>>> her. Twists and turns and suspense, galore!
>>> Note from Rick: I haven't seen this movie. I don't know anything
>>> about it. I run away from movies with single name titles, especially
>>> when the single name is female. It's not that I'm a chauvinist about
>>> it, it's that I'm a scared of romance and kissing and stuff and try
>>> to avoid it if at all possible.
>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Gene Tierney,Dana Andrews, Clifton Webb, Vincent
>>> Price, Judith Anderson, Laura Dern, Dean Stockwell
>>> DIRECTOR Otto Preminger
>>> SCREENWRITERS Jay Dratler, Samuel Hoffenstein, Elizabeth Reinhardt
>>> Novel: Vera Caspary
>>>
>>> 3. Seven - 1995
>>> Young cop, David Mills (Brad Pitt), teams up with the more seasoned
>>> detective, William Somerset (Morgan Freeman), to catch a serial
>>> killer. The killer is using the seven deadly sins as his MO making
>>> the murders hard to solve, and extremely grotesque. The two cops have
>>> different approaches to the handling of the case and two different
>>> views on the killer. Somerset is trying the more psychological route,
>>> while David dismisses the killers intelligence and considers him just
>>> another nut job.
>>> The film is really dark, moody and complex and very fricken creepy!
>>> Note from Rick: This is suspense done masterfully. It made it to
>>> third on the list because David Fincher really honored Hitchcock with
>>> mood, if not a little overdone on gore.
>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Gwyneth Paltrow
>>> DIRECTOR David Fincher
>>> SCREENWRITER Andrew Kevin Walker
>>>
>>> 2. Vertigo - 1958
>>> San Francisco police Detective John "Scottie" Ferguson (James
>>> Stewart) retires from the force after his acrophobia causes him
>>> Vertigo and the inadvertent death of his partner. He is then
>>> approached by an old college friend to keep an eye on his wife
>>> Madeleine (Kim Novak). It seems Madeleine suffers from trances and
>>> an obsession with a dead and tragic ancestor named Carlotta.
>>> Madeleine has no recollection of these trances and her husband is
>>> afraid for her life.
>>> Soon Scottie becomes as obsessed with Madeleine as she seems to be
>>> with Carlotta and when another tragedy strikes, it looks like Scottie
>>> will never be the same.
>>> This has all the elements of a powerful mystery; suspense, love,
>>> lust, tragedy, obsession, a healthy does of psychological games and
>>> betrayal. Perfection.
>>> PRINCIPAL CAST James Stewart, Kim Novak, Barbara Bel Geddes
>>> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
>>> SCREENWRITERS Alec Coppel, Samuel A. Taylor
>>> 1. Rear Window - 1954
>>> When photographer L.B. "Jeff" Jeffries (James Stewart) is injured and
>>> confined to a wheelchair, he begins to pass his long days by people
>>> watching out his apartment window. Late one night he witnesses odd
>>> ...
>>>
>>> read more »
>>
>> North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. (In Vertigo, the
>> surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>
>I haven't seen Vertigo, but I agree about North by Northwest. We know early on
>who the bad guys are but we never find out what they are trying to get out of
>the country. The disdainful, "Oh, government secrets perhaps" is all we get,
>because Hitchcock didn't care and didn't believe the audience cared exactly what
>was an the centre of what the bad guys were doing. It was just an excuse for
>everything else. I'd call it a chase film with the usual romance thrown in.
>


you haven't seen vertigo ? omg.


    
Date: 17 Feb 2009 13:03:02
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
Superdave wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:48:24 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>> On Feb 16, 4:38 am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>>>>
>>>> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window.
>>>> In fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all
>>>> great movies.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
>>>> Suspects didnt make it.
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> 10. L.A. Confidential - 1997
>>>>
>>>> This film feels like the 1950's noir fiction that it represents.
>>>> Originally a James Ellroy novel, it's a gritty, seedy story of
>>>> corruption, sex, and murder where you can trust no one and the
>>>> famous and wealthy of Los Angeles get mixed up in the dirty
>>>> underbelly of the city. It starts with a mass murder at a coffee
>>>> shop and devolves into an organized crime story involving
>>>> pornography, heroin and politics. Office Bud White (Russell Crowe)
>>>> is a monster of a cop but his partner, Dick Stensland, was thrown
>>>> off the force following a police brutality case. Bud hates the man
>>>> who testified against Stensland and they both are involved in the
>>>> crime investigation where Stensland is one of the victims. The
>>>> man: Detective Edmund Exley (Guy Pierce), a straight-laced and
>>>> brilliant detective who plays exactly by the book. Enter the third
>>>> cop involved in the investigation, Sergeant Jack Vincennes (Kevin
>>>> Spacey). He's a celebrity cop who works in television as an
>>>> advisor, has ties to Hush-Hush magazine and leaks details of
>>>> celebrity arrests to the press, for a fee.
>>>> The twists and turns are exquisite and the atmosphere is
>>>> unbeatable. PRINCIPAL CAST Kevin Spacey, Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce,
>>>> James Cromwell, Kim Basinger, Danny DeVito
>>>> DIRECTOR Curtis Hanson
>>>> SCREENWRITERS Brian Helgeland, Curtis Hanson
>>>>
>>>> 9. The Big Lebowski - 1998
>>>>
>>>> In a case of mistaken identity, two thugs rough up Lebowski (Jeff
>>>> Bridges) and piss on his rug. These guys thought Lebowski's wife
>>>> owed Jackie Treehorn (Ben Gazzara) some money. Now Lebowski likes
>>>> to be known as "The Dude" and he likes walking around in a
>>>> bathrobe and he wants to get paid for his ruined rug, so he goes
>>>> out to find the other Jeffrey Lebowski and get some recompense.
>>>> What he finds is Bunny Lebowski, the Big Lebowski's trophy wife.
>>>> She happens to also be a nymphomaniac. He also finds a rug he
>>>> likes and he steals it. But Bunny goes missing and the Big
>>>> Lebowski figures out that The Dude can identify the men who
>>>> probably kidnapped her. Enter The Dude's bowling buddy, Walter
>>>> Sobchak (John Goodman) who comes up with the idea of ripping off
>>>> the kidnappers and the Big Lebowski. Things just go downhill from
>>>> there.
>>>> This is a quotable movie and a Coen Brother's masterpiece.
>>>>
>>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Steve Buscemi, Julianne
>>>> Moore, Philip Seymour Hoffman
>>>> DIRECTOR Joel Coen
>>>> SCREENWRITERS Ethan Coen, Joel Coen
>>>>
>>>> 8. Gaslight - 1944
>>>> An amazing psychological mystery that has been made and remade,
>>>> this is however, the best version of the film.
>>>> Paula (Ingrid Bergman) discovers her aunts dead body in their home
>>>> and her aunt's jewels missing. The murder goes unsolved and Paula
>>>> is then sent to a music school in Italy where she remains until she
>>>> marries an older man and pianist, Gregory (Charles Boyer), who
>>>> convinces her to move back into the London house.
>>>> Shortly upon arrival in the home, Paula receives a mysterious
>>>> letter... and the psychological games begin.
>>>> The mystery and suspense in this movie is palpable. Poor Paula is
>>>> put through the wringer and the audience is a long for the ride.
>>>> Note from Rick: I've heard of this Ingrid Bergman actress before.
>>>> I've been told she's pretty good. I guess I ought to watch
>>>> something with her in it. This one seems like a reasonable place
>>>> to start. PRINCIPAL CAST Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, Joseph
>>>> Cotten,
>>>> Dame May Whitty
>>>> DIRECTOR George Cukor
>>>> SCREENWRITERS John Van Druten, Walter Reisch, John L. Balderston
>>>> 7. The Postman Always Rings Twice - 1946
>>>>
>>>> A young drifter named Frank (John Garfield) stops at a diner for a
>>>> meal and gets a job working for the beautiful Cora (Lana Turner)
>>>> and her much older husband, Nick (Cecil Kellaway). Frank and Cora
>>>> have an affair and naturally they plot to murder Nick in order to
>>>> take the diner and get him out of the way.
>>>> The problem is that Nick isn't easy to kill and the crime isn't
>>>> easy to cover up, especially with a talented local prosecutor, Kyle
>>>> Sackett (Leon Ames). The investigation and its twists are where the
>>>> real mystery is, because both Frank and Cora are trying to save
>>>> their own necks which leaves the truth far behind.
>>>> It's a classic with one of the best ending twists in film. A true
>>>> masterpiece.
>>>>
>>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Lana Turner, John Garfield, Cecil Kellaway
>>>> DIRECTOR Tay Garnett
>>>> SCREENWRITERS Harry Ruskin, Niven Busch
>>>>
>>>> 6. North by Northwest - 1959
>>>>
>>>> This is our first Hitchcock film and it's another case of mistaken
>>>> identity. Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant), a New York advertising
>>>> executive, is mistaken for a government agent named George Kaplan.
>>>> Captured and interrogated by Phillip Vandamm (James Mason), he's
>>>> confused and denies any knowledge so Vandamm orders Leonard (Martin
>>>> Landau) to kill him.
>>>> In order to make the murder look like an accident they stage a
>>>> drunken car crash and force Roger to drink a lot of bourbon. Roger
>>>> escapes, but is arrested for drunk driving and can't convince
>>>> anyone that he was forced to drink until drunk, not even his
>>>> mother. In order to prove his story, Roger decides to find the
>>>> real George Kaplan.
>>>> And that's where the story gets complicated, and dangerous, and
>>>> wild and more complicated. It's a turn a minute and a story
>>>> wrapped up in suspense. Hitchcock really knew what he was doing.
>>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Cary Grant, Eva Marie Saint, James Mason
>>>> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
>>>> SCREENWRITER Ernest Lehman
>>>>
>>>> 5. In the Heat of the Night - 1967
>>>>
>>>> "They call me Mister Tibbs."
>>>> That's the quote most remembered from this racially charged
>>>> breakout movie. Sidney Poitier plays Virgil Tibbs, a black man
>>>> from out of state who is picked up a train station following the
>>>> murder of a wealthy man in Sparta, Mississippi. Chief Gillespie
>>>> (Rod Steiger) pegs him for guilty right away because he has too
>>>> much cash in his wallet for a "colored man." Mr. Tibbs is a
>>>> Philadelphia homicide detective who just wants to leave, but after
>>>> he clears his name he is convinced to help out in the case.
>>>> This story winds down the deep South's pathways of racism and
>>>> discrimination. It was quite the movie to be shown in 1967 and
>>>> still remains one of the greatest statement movies of our time as
>>>> well as being a fantastic mystery. What starts out as bigotry
>>>> leads to respect.
>>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, Lee Grant
>>>> DIRECTOR Norman Jewison
>>>> SCREENWRITER Stirling Silliphant
>>>>
>>>> 4. Laura - 1944
>>>> When a body is found in socialite and beauty Laura Hunt's (Gene
>>>> Tierney) apartment, it's a death that rocks everyone. Police
>>>> Detective Mark McPherson (Dana Andrews), becomes obsessed and
>>>> falls a little in love with the deceased Laura. As he interviews
>>>> all the usual suspects including her best friend and mentor
>>>> (Clifton Webb) and her boyfriend (Vincent Price) it seems everyone
>>>> loves Laura.
>>>>
>>>> He returns to her apartment one night only to have her walk through
>>>> the door, very much alive.
>>>> This is a wonderful and unusual example of a whodunit. All the
>>>> characters are obviously in love with Laura and all are against
>>>> each other, giving reasons for the other admirers to have tried to
>>>> murder her. Twists and turns and suspense, galore!
>>>> Note from Rick: I haven't seen this movie. I don't know anything
>>>> about it. I run away from movies with single name titles,
>>>> especially when the single name is female. It's not that I'm a
>>>> chauvinist about it, it's that I'm a scared of romance and kissing
>>>> and stuff and try to avoid it if at all possible.
>>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Gene Tierney,Dana Andrews, Clifton Webb, Vincent
>>>> Price, Judith Anderson, Laura Dern, Dean Stockwell
>>>> DIRECTOR Otto Preminger
>>>> SCREENWRITERS Jay Dratler, Samuel Hoffenstein, Elizabeth Reinhardt
>>>> Novel: Vera Caspary
>>>>
>>>> 3. Seven - 1995
>>>> Young cop, David Mills (Brad Pitt), teams up with the more seasoned
>>>> detective, William Somerset (Morgan Freeman), to catch a serial
>>>> killer. The killer is using the seven deadly sins as his MO making
>>>> the murders hard to solve, and extremely grotesque. The two cops
>>>> have different approaches to the handling of the case and two
>>>> different views on the killer. Somerset is trying the more
>>>> psychological route, while David dismisses the killers
>>>> intelligence and considers him just another nut job.
>>>> The film is really dark, moody and complex and very fricken creepy!
>>>> Note from Rick: This is suspense done masterfully. It made it to
>>>> third on the list because David Fincher really honored Hitchcock
>>>> with mood, if not a little overdone on gore.
>>>> PRINCIPAL CAST Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Gwyneth Paltrow
>>>> DIRECTOR David Fincher
>>>> SCREENWRITER Andrew Kevin Walker
>>>>
>>>> 2. Vertigo - 1958
>>>> San Francisco police Detective John "Scottie" Ferguson (James
>>>> Stewart) retires from the force after his acrophobia causes him
>>>> Vertigo and the inadvertent death of his partner. He is then
>>>> approached by an old college friend to keep an eye on his wife
>>>> Madeleine (Kim Novak). It seems Madeleine suffers from trances and
>>>> an obsession with a dead and tragic ancestor named Carlotta.
>>>> Madeleine has no recollection of these trances and her husband is
>>>> afraid for her life.
>>>> Soon Scottie becomes as obsessed with Madeleine as she seems to be
>>>> with Carlotta and when another tragedy strikes, it looks like
>>>> Scottie will never be the same.
>>>> This has all the elements of a powerful mystery; suspense, love,
>>>> lust, tragedy, obsession, a healthy does of psychological games and
>>>> betrayal. Perfection.
>>>> PRINCIPAL CAST James Stewart, Kim Novak, Barbara Bel Geddes
>>>> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
>>>> SCREENWRITERS Alec Coppel, Samuel A. Taylor
>>>> 1. Rear Window - 1954
>>>> When photographer L.B. "Jeff" Jeffries (James Stewart) is injured
>>>> and confined to a wheelchair, he begins to pass his long days by
>>>> people watching out his apartment window. Late one night he
>>>> witnesses odd ...
>>>>
>>>> read more »
>>>
>>> North by Northwest and Vertigo are not mysteries. (In Vertigo, the
>>> surprise is revealed well before the end.)
>>
>> I haven't seen Vertigo, but I agree about North by Northwest. We
>> know early on who the bad guys are but we never find out what they
>> are trying to get out of the country. The disdainful, "Oh,
>> government secrets perhaps" is all we get, because Hitchcock didn't
>> care and didn't believe the audience cared exactly what was an the
>> centre

_at_ the centre

> of what the bad guys were doing. It was just an excuse for
>> everything else. I'd call it a chase film with the usual romance
>> thrown in.
>>
>
>
> you haven't seen vertigo ? omg.

I might have seen it a long time ago, or it might have been the Hitchcock film I
started to watch on TV but wasn't enjoying and didn't finish.




 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 11:41:39
From: Sean Carroll
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
"Raja" <zepfloyes@gmail.com > wrote

> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> movies.

Oh, mystery *movies*!

When I saw this header, I thought it was going to be something like this:

10 What happened to Amelia Earhart?

9 Who was Jack the Ripper?

8 How does George W Bush manage to perform simple manual tasks, despite
being born without a functional brain stem?

and such forth.

--
--Sean
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http://spclsd223.livejournal.com

'I am extremely disappointed. I send you out for exciting new designer
drugs, and you come back with tomato sauce.' --Dr Gregory House

[looking at a child's stuffed toy] 'Okay, elephants are not purple. This is
WRONG.' --Dr Temperance Brennan




 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 07:35:33
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 4:49=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I heard that =A0big Lebowski's wife is also whispers wife ? =A0No ?
>
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:38:40 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
> >I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> >fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> >movies.
>
> >I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
> >Suspects didnt make it.
>
> Then check out the IMDB top 50 mysteries !!!
>
> http://www.imdb.com/chart/mystery

Citizen Kane is a mystery? ROFLMAO... It was boring as shit. I dont
know why the hell is it even considered in the league as Casablanca.
Orson Welles is a fuckall overacter. He should have stuck to
directing.

Donny Darko was pretty good, but it should be filed under weirdo
movies, but a mystery. And how is Mystic River a mystery, is it
because it has mystic as its title?

Their classifications are a bit weird.




 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 07:25:36
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 7:49=A0am, "Silence, Fedfucker!"
<thetruetennisg...@hotmail.co.uk > wrote:
> Top mystery of all time: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 why Raja is allowed to live.

Arent you supposed to be my sock puppet? LOL even my sock puppet is
not friends with me in these newsgroups.



 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 05:49:12
From: Silence, Fedfucker!
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
Top mystery of all time: why Raja is allowed to live.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 05:03:39
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On 16 Feb, 09:38, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> movies.
>
> I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
> Suspects didnt make it.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> 10. =A0L.A. Confidential =96 1997
>
> This film feels like the 1950's noir fiction that it represents.
> Originally a James Ellroy novel, it's a gritty, seedy story of
> corruption, sex, and murder where you can trust no one and the famous
> and wealthy of Los Angeles get mixed up in the dirty underbelly of the
> city. =A0It starts with a mass murder at a coffee shop and devolves into
> an organized crime story involving pornography, heroin and politics.
> Office Bud White (Russell Crowe) is a monster of a cop but his
> partner, Dick Stensland, was thrown off the force following a police
> brutality case. =A0Bud hates the man who testified against Stensland and
> they both are involved in the crime investigation where Stensland is
> one of the victims. =A0The man: Detective Edmund Exley (Guy Pierce), a
> straight-laced and brilliant detective who plays exactly by the book.
> Enter the third cop involved in the investigation, Sergeant Jack
> Vincennes (Kevin Spacey). =A0He's a celebrity cop who works in
> television as an advisor, has ties to Hush-Hush magazine and leaks
> details of celebrity arrests to the press, for a fee.
> The twists and turns are exquisite and the atmosphere is unbeatable.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Kevin Spacey, Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce,
> James Cromwell, Kim Basinger, Danny DeVito
> DIRECTOR Curtis Hanson
> SCREENWRITERS Brian Helgeland, Curtis Hanson
>
> 9. The Big Lebowski - 1998
>
> In a case of mistaken identity, two thugs rough up Lebowski (Jeff
> Bridges) and piss on his rug. =A0These guys thought Lebowski's wife owed
> Jackie Treehorn (Ben Gazzara) some money. =A0Now Lebowski likes to be
> known as =93The Dude=94 and he likes walking around in a bathrobe and he
> wants to get paid for his ruined rug, so he goes out to find the other
> Jeffrey Lebowski and get some recompense.
> What he finds is Bunny Lebowski, the Big Lebowski's trophy wife. =A0She
> happens to also be a nymphomaniac. =A0He also finds a rug he likes and
> he steals it. =A0But Bunny goes missing and the Big Lebowski figures out
> that The Dude can identify the men who probably kidnapped her. =A0Enter
> The Dude's bowling buddy, Walter Sobchak (John Goodman) who comes up
> with the idea of ripping off the kidnappers and the Big Lebowski.
> Things just go downhill from there.
> This is a quotable movie and a Coen Brother's masterpiece.
>
> PRINCIPAL CAST Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Steve Buscemi, Julianne
> Moore, Philip Seymour Hoffman
> DIRECTOR Joel Coen
> SCREENWRITERS Ethan Coen, Joel Coen
>
> 8. Gaslight =96 1944
> An amazing psychological mystery that has been made and remade, this
> is however, the best version of the film.
> Paula (Ingrid Bergman) discovers her aunts dead body in their home and
> her aunt's jewels missing. The murder goes unsolved and Paula is then
> sent to a music school in Italy where she remains until she marries an
> older man and pianist, Gregory (Charles Boyer), who convinces her to
> move back into the London house.
> Shortly upon arrival in the home, Paula receives a mysterious
> letter... and the psychological games begin.
> The mystery and suspense in this movie is palpable. =A0Poor Paula is put
> through the wringer and the audience is a long for the ride.
> Note from Rick: =A0I've heard of this Ingrid Bergman actress before.
> I've been told she's pretty good. =A0I guess I ought to watch something
> with her in it. =A0This one seems like a reasonable place to start.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, Joseph Cotten,
> Dame May Whitty
> DIRECTOR George Cukor
> SCREENWRITERS John Van Druten, Walter Reisch, John L. Balderston
> =A07. The Postman Always Rings Twice - 1946
>
> A young drifter named Frank (John Garfield) stops at a diner for a
> meal and gets a job working for the beautiful Cora (Lana Turner) and
> her much older husband, Nick (Cecil Kellaway). =A0Frank and Cora have an
> affair and naturally they plot to murder Nick in order to take the
> diner and get him out of the way.
> The problem is that Nick isn't easy to kill and the crime isn't easy
> to cover up, especially with a talented local prosecutor, Kyle Sackett
> (Leon Ames). =A0 =A0The investigation and its twists are where the real
> mystery is, because both Frank and Cora are trying to save their own
> necks which leaves the truth far behind.
> It's a classic with one of the best ending twists in film. =A0A true
> masterpiece.
>
> PRINCIPAL CAST Lana Turner, John Garfield, Cecil Kellaway
> DIRECTOR Tay Garnett
> SCREENWRITERS Harry Ruskin, Niven Busch
>
> 6. North by Northwest - 1959
>
> This is our first Hitchcock film and it's another case of mistaken
> identity. =A0Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant), a New York advertising
> executive, is mistaken for a government agent named George Kaplan.
> Captured and interrogated by Phillip Vandamm (James Mason), he's
> confused and denies any knowledge so Vandamm orders Leonard (Martin
> Landau) to kill him.
> In order to make the murder look like an accident they stage a drunken
> car crash and force Roger to drink a lot of bourbon. =A0Roger escapes,
> but is arrested for drunk driving and can't convince anyone that he
> was forced to drink until drunk, not even his mother. =A0In order to
> prove his story, Roger decides to find the real George Kaplan.
> And that's where the story gets complicated, and dangerous, and wild
> and more complicated. =A0 It's a turn a minute and a story wrapped up in
> suspense. =A0Hitchcock really knew what he was doing.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Cary Grant, Eva Marie Saint, James Mason
> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
> SCREENWRITER Ernest Lehman
>
> 5. In the Heat of the Night - 1967
>
> =93They call me Mister Tibbs.=94
> That's the quote most remembered from this racially charged breakout
> movie. =A0Sidney Poitier plays Virgil Tibbs, a black man from out of
> state who is picked up a train station following the murder of a
> wealthy man in Sparta, Mississippi. =A0Chief Gillespie (Rod Steiger)
> pegs him for guilty right away because he has too much cash in his
> wallet for a =93colored man.=94 =A0Mr. Tibbs is a Philadelphia homicide
> detective who just wants to leave, but after he clears his name he is
> convinced to help out in the case.
> This story winds down the deep South's pathways of racism and
> discrimination. =A0It was quite the movie to be shown in 1967 and still
> remains one of the greatest statement movies of our time as well as
> being a fantastic mystery. =A0What starts out as bigotry leads to
> respect.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, Lee Grant
> DIRECTOR Norman Jewison
> SCREENWRITER Stirling Silliphant
>
> 4. Laura - 1944
> When a body is found in socialite and beauty Laura Hunt's (Gene
> Tierney) apartment, it's a death that rocks everyone. =A0Police
> Detective Mark McPherson (Dana Andrews), becomes obsessed and falls a
> little in love with the deceased Laura. As he interviews all the usual
> suspects including her best friend and mentor (Clifton Webb) and her
> boyfriend (Vincent Price) it seems everyone loves Laura.
>
> He returns to her apartment one night only to have her walk through
> the door, very much alive.
> This is a wonderful and unusual example of a whodunit. =A0All the
> characters are obviously in love with Laura and all are against each
> other, giving reasons for the other admirers to have tried to murder
> her. =A0Twists and turns and suspense, galore!
> Note from Rick: I haven't seen this movie. =A0I don't know anything
> about it. =A0I run away from movies with single name titles, especially
> when the single name is female. =A0It's not that I'm a chauvinist about
> it, it's that I'm a scared of romance and kissing and stuff and try to
> avoid it if at all possible.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Gene Tierney,Dana Andrews, Clifton Webb, Vincent Price,
> Judith Anderson, Laura Dern, Dean Stockwell
> DIRECTOR Otto Preminger
> SCREENWRITERS Jay Dratler, Samuel Hoffenstein, Elizabeth Reinhardt
> Novel: Vera Caspary
>
> 3. Seven - 1995
> Young cop, David Mills (Brad Pitt), teams up with the more seasoned
> detective, William Somerset (Morgan Freeman), to catch a serial
> killer. =A0The killer is using the seven deadly sins as his MO making
> the murders hard to solve, and extremely grotesque. =A0The two cops have
> different approaches to the handling of the case and two different
> views on the killer. =A0Somerset is trying the more psychological route,
> while David dismisses the killers intelligence and considers him just
> another nut job.
> The film is really dark, moody and complex and very fricken creepy!
> Note from Rick: This is suspense done masterfully. =A0It made it to
> third on the list because David Fincher really honored Hitchcock with
> mood, if not a little overdone on gore.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Gwyneth Paltrow
> DIRECTOR David Fincher
> SCREENWRITER Andrew Kevin Walker
>
> 2. Vertigo - 1958
> San Francisco police Detective John "Scottie" Ferguson (James Stewart)
> retires from the force after his acrophobia causes him Vertigo and the
> inadvertent death of his partner. =A0He is then approached by an old
> college friend to keep an eye on his wife Madeleine (Kim Novak). =A0It
> seems Madeleine suffers from trances and an obsession with a dead and
> tragic ancestor named Carlotta. =A0Madeleine has no recollection of
> these trances and her husband is afraid for her life.
> Soon Scottie becomes as obsessed with Madeleine as she seems to be
> with Carlotta and when another tragedy strikes, it looks like Scottie
> will never be the same.
> This has all the elements of a powerful mystery; suspense, love, lust,
> tragedy, obsession, a healthy does of psychological games and
> betrayal. =A0Perfection.
> PRINCIPAL CAST James Stewart, Kim Novak, Barbara Bel Geddes
> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
> SCREENWRITERS Alec Coppel, Samuel A. Taylor
> 1. Rear Window - 1954
> When photographer L.B. "Jeff" Jeffries (James Stewart) is injured and
> confined to a wheelchair, he begins to pass his long days by people
> watching out his apartment window. =A0Late one night he witnesses odd
> ...
>
> read more =BB


does raja get a raji
when he doesnt have his hanky
even though its pretty handy
when he needs to have his spankies ?

discuss


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 03:10:31
From: Jim Beam
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 5:43=A0am, Me <BabaOhRea...@Yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 5:21=A0am, Jim Beam <Tenbeers1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 16, 4:38=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
>

>
>
>

>
> Fuck off Gunga Din or I'll ask Amy to get her little sister after you.
> And we all know how you're afraid of girls.

And of his own shadow.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 10:49:20
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time




I heard that big Lebowski's wife is also whispers wife ? No ?


On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:38:40 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepfloyes@gmail.com >
wrote:

>http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
>I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
>fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
>movies.
>
>I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
>Suspects didnt make it.




Then check out the IMDB top 50 mysteries !!!

http://www.imdb.com/chart/mystery


>
>-------------------------------------------------
>
>
>10. L.A. Confidential – 1997
>
>This film feels like the 1950's noir fiction that it represents.
>Originally a James Ellroy novel, it's a gritty, seedy story of
>corruption, sex, and murder where you can trust no one and the famous
>and wealthy of Los Angeles get mixed up in the dirty underbelly of the
>city. It starts with a mass murder at a coffee shop and devolves into
>an organized crime story involving pornography, heroin and politics.
>Office Bud White (Russell Crowe) is a monster of a cop but his
>partner, Dick Stensland, was thrown off the force following a police
>brutality case. Bud hates the man who testified against Stensland and
>they both are involved in the crime investigation where Stensland is
>one of the victims. The man: Detective Edmund Exley (Guy Pierce), a
>straight-laced and brilliant detective who plays exactly by the book.
>Enter the third cop involved in the investigation, Sergeant Jack
>Vincennes (Kevin Spacey). He's a celebrity cop who works in
>television as an advisor, has ties to Hush-Hush magazine and leaks
>details of celebrity arrests to the press, for a fee.
>The twists and turns are exquisite and the atmosphere is unbeatable.
>PRINCIPAL CAST Kevin Spacey, Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce,
>James Cromwell, Kim Basinger, Danny DeVito
>DIRECTOR Curtis Hanson
>SCREENWRITERS Brian Helgeland, Curtis Hanson
>
>9. The Big Lebowski - 1998
>
>In a case of mistaken identity, two thugs rough up Lebowski (Jeff
>Bridges) and piss on his rug. These guys thought Lebowski's wife owed
>Jackie Treehorn (Ben Gazzara) some money. Now Lebowski likes to be
>known as “The Dude” and he likes walking around in a bathrobe and he
>wants to get paid for his ruined rug, so he goes out to find the other
>Jeffrey Lebowski and get some recompense.
>What he finds is Bunny Lebowski, the Big Lebowski's trophy wife. She
>happens to also be a nymphomaniac. He also finds a rug he likes and
>he steals it. But Bunny goes missing and the Big Lebowski figures out
>that The Dude can identify the men who probably kidnapped her. Enter
>The Dude's bowling buddy, Walter Sobchak (John Goodman) who comes up
>with the idea of ripping off the kidnappers and the Big Lebowski.
>Things just go downhill from there.
>This is a quotable movie and a Coen Brother's masterpiece.
>
>PRINCIPAL CAST Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Steve Buscemi, Julianne
>Moore, Philip Seymour Hoffman
>DIRECTOR Joel Coen
>SCREENWRITERS Ethan Coen, Joel Coen
>
>8. Gaslight – 1944
>An amazing psychological mystery that has been made and remade, this
>is however, the best version of the film.
>Paula (Ingrid Bergman) discovers her aunts dead body in their home and
>her aunt's jewels missing. The murder goes unsolved and Paula is then
>sent to a music school in Italy where she remains until she marries an
>older man and pianist, Gregory (Charles Boyer), who convinces her to
>move back into the London house.
>Shortly upon arrival in the home, Paula receives a mysterious
>letter... and the psychological games begin.
>The mystery and suspense in this movie is palpable. Poor Paula is put
>through the wringer and the audience is a long for the ride.
>Note from Rick: I've heard of this Ingrid Bergman actress before.
>I've been told she's pretty good. I guess I ought to watch something
>with her in it. This one seems like a reasonable place to start.
>PRINCIPAL CAST Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, Joseph Cotten,
>Dame May Whitty
>DIRECTOR George Cukor
>SCREENWRITERS John Van Druten, Walter Reisch, John L. Balderston
> 7. The Postman Always Rings Twice - 1946
>
>A young drifter named Frank (John Garfield) stops at a diner for a
>meal and gets a job working for the beautiful Cora (Lana Turner) and
>her much older husband, Nick (Cecil Kellaway). Frank and Cora have an
>affair and naturally they plot to murder Nick in order to take the
>diner and get him out of the way.
>The problem is that Nick isn't easy to kill and the crime isn't easy
>to cover up, especially with a talented local prosecutor, Kyle Sackett
>(Leon Ames). The investigation and its twists are where the real
>mystery is, because both Frank and Cora are trying to save their own
>necks which leaves the truth far behind.
>It's a classic with one of the best ending twists in film. A true
>masterpiece.
>
>PRINCIPAL CAST Lana Turner, John Garfield, Cecil Kellaway
>DIRECTOR Tay Garnett
>SCREENWRITERS Harry Ruskin, Niven Busch
>
>6. North by Northwest - 1959
>
>This is our first Hitchcock film and it's another case of mistaken
>identity. Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant), a New York advertising
>executive, is mistaken for a government agent named George Kaplan.
>Captured and interrogated by Phillip Vandamm (James Mason), he's
>confused and denies any knowledge so Vandamm orders Leonard (Martin
>Landau) to kill him.
>In order to make the murder look like an accident they stage a drunken
>car crash and force Roger to drink a lot of bourbon. Roger escapes,
>but is arrested for drunk driving and can't convince anyone that he
>was forced to drink until drunk, not even his mother. In order to
>prove his story, Roger decides to find the real George Kaplan.
>And that's where the story gets complicated, and dangerous, and wild
>and more complicated. It's a turn a minute and a story wrapped up in
>suspense. Hitchcock really knew what he was doing.
>PRINCIPAL CAST Cary Grant, Eva Marie Saint, James Mason
>DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
>SCREENWRITER Ernest Lehman
>
>5. In the Heat of the Night - 1967
>
>“They call me Mister Tibbs.”
>That's the quote most remembered from this racially charged breakout
>movie. Sidney Poitier plays Virgil Tibbs, a black man from out of
>state who is picked up a train station following the murder of a
>wealthy man in Sparta, Mississippi. Chief Gillespie (Rod Steiger)
>pegs him for guilty right away because he has too much cash in his
>wallet for a “colored man.” Mr. Tibbs is a Philadelphia homicide
>detective who just wants to leave, but after he clears his name he is
>convinced to help out in the case.
>This story winds down the deep South's pathways of racism and
>discrimination. It was quite the movie to be shown in 1967 and still
>remains one of the greatest statement movies of our time as well as
>being a fantastic mystery. What starts out as bigotry leads to
>respect.
>PRINCIPAL CAST Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, Lee Grant
>DIRECTOR Norman Jewison
>SCREENWRITER Stirling Silliphant
>
>4. Laura - 1944
>When a body is found in socialite and beauty Laura Hunt's (Gene
>Tierney) apartment, it's a death that rocks everyone. Police
>Detective Mark McPherson (Dana Andrews), becomes obsessed and falls a
>little in love with the deceased Laura. As he interviews all the usual
>suspects including her best friend and mentor (Clifton Webb) and her
>boyfriend (Vincent Price) it seems everyone loves Laura.
>
>He returns to her apartment one night only to have her walk through
>the door, very much alive.
>This is a wonderful and unusual example of a whodunit. All the
>characters are obviously in love with Laura and all are against each
>other, giving reasons for the other admirers to have tried to murder
>her. Twists and turns and suspense, galore!
>Note from Rick: I haven't seen this movie. I don't know anything
>about it. I run away from movies with single name titles, especially
>when the single name is female. It's not that I'm a chauvinist about
>it, it's that I'm a scared of romance and kissing and stuff and try to
>avoid it if at all possible.
>PRINCIPAL CAST Gene Tierney,Dana Andrews, Clifton Webb, Vincent Price,
>Judith Anderson, Laura Dern, Dean Stockwell
>DIRECTOR Otto Preminger
>SCREENWRITERS Jay Dratler, Samuel Hoffenstein, Elizabeth Reinhardt
>Novel: Vera Caspary
>
>3. Seven - 1995
>Young cop, David Mills (Brad Pitt), teams up with the more seasoned
>detective, William Somerset (Morgan Freeman), to catch a serial
>killer. The killer is using the seven deadly sins as his MO making
>the murders hard to solve, and extremely grotesque. The two cops have
>different approaches to the handling of the case and two different
>views on the killer. Somerset is trying the more psychological route,
>while David dismisses the killers intelligence and considers him just
>another nut job.
>The film is really dark, moody and complex and very fricken creepy!
>Note from Rick: This is suspense done masterfully. It made it to
>third on the list because David Fincher really honored Hitchcock with
>mood, if not a little overdone on gore.
>PRINCIPAL CAST Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Gwyneth Paltrow
>DIRECTOR David Fincher
>SCREENWRITER Andrew Kevin Walker
>
>2. Vertigo - 1958
>San Francisco police Detective John "Scottie" Ferguson (James Stewart)
>retires from the force after his acrophobia causes him Vertigo and the
>inadvertent death of his partner. He is then approached by an old
>college friend to keep an eye on his wife Madeleine (Kim Novak). It
>seems Madeleine suffers from trances and an obsession with a dead and
>tragic ancestor named Carlotta. Madeleine has no recollection of
>these trances and her husband is afraid for her life.
>Soon Scottie becomes as obsessed with Madeleine as she seems to be
>with Carlotta and when another tragedy strikes, it looks like Scottie
>will never be the same.
>This has all the elements of a powerful mystery; suspense, love, lust,
>tragedy, obsession, a healthy does of psychological games and
>betrayal. Perfection.
>PRINCIPAL CAST James Stewart, Kim Novak, Barbara Bel Geddes
>DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
>SCREENWRITERS Alec Coppel, Samuel A. Taylor
>1. Rear Window - 1954
>When photographer L.B. "Jeff" Jeffries (James Stewart) is injured and
>confined to a wheelchair, he begins to pass his long days by people
>watching out his apartment window. Late one night he witnesses odd
>behavior from his jewelery salesman neighbor (Raymond Burr). Jeff
>believes he has missed witnessing the actual murder of his neighbors
>invalid wife, but thinks he has just witnessed the "clean-up."
>Enlisting the help of his long suffering "girlfriend" Lisa Freemont
>(Grace Kelly), they begin watching more closely and investigating
>themselves.
>Easily Hitchcock's masterpiece, Rear Window is more than a murder
>mystery, this movie takes the viewer into the private lives of many of
>the apartment building's tenants; proving what is seen isn't always
>what it seems. Included in all the mystery, suspense, drama and
>murder, is the comic relief in the form of Jeff's nurse, Stella
>(Thelma Ritter), all this and the camera never leaves Jeff's
>apartment. Amazing.
>Note from Rick: The set design, the camera work, the acting - - all
>in all this may be one of the best movies ever made.
>PRINCIPAL CAST James Stewart, Grace Kelly, Thelma Ritter
>DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
>SCREENWRITER John Michael Hayes


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 02:43:42
From: Me
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 5:21=A0am, Jim Beam <Tenbeers1...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 4:38=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
> > I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> > fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> > movies.
>
> > I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
> > Suspects didnt make it.
>
> > -------------------------------------------------
>
> > 10. =A0L.A. Confidential =96 1997
>
> > This film feels like the 1950's noir fiction that it represents.
> > Originally a James Ellroy novel, it's a gritty, seedy story of
> > corruption, sex, and murder where you can trust no one and the famous
> > and wealthy of Los Angeles get mixed up in the dirty underbelly of the
> > city. =A0It starts with a mass murder at a coffee shop and devolves int=
o
> > an organized crime story involving pornography, heroin and politics.
> > Office Bud White (Russell Crowe) is a monster of a cop but his
> > partner, Dick Stensland, was thrown off the force following a police
> > brutality case. =A0Bud hates the man who testified against Stensland an=
d
> > they both are involved in the crime investigation where Stensland is
> > one of the victims. =A0The man: Detective Edmund Exley (Guy Pierce), a
> > straight-laced and brilliant detective who plays exactly by the book.
> > Enter the third cop involved in the investigation, Sergeant Jack
> > Vincennes (Kevin Spacey). =A0He's a celebrity cop who works in
> > television as an advisor, has ties to Hush-Hush magazine and leaks
> > details of celebrity arrests to the press, for a fee.
> > The twists and turns are exquisite and the atmosphere is unbeatable.
> > PRINCIPAL CAST Kevin Spacey, Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce,
> > James Cromwell, Kim Basinger, Danny DeVito
> > DIRECTOR Curtis Hanson
> > SCREENWRITERS Brian Helgeland, Curtis Hanson
>
> > 9. The Big Lebowski - 1998
>
> > In a case of mistaken identity, two thugs rough up Lebowski (Jeff
> > Bridges) and piss on his rug. =A0These guys thought Lebowski's wife owe=
d
> > Jackie Treehorn (Ben Gazzara) some money. =A0Now Lebowski likes to be
> > known as =93The Dude=94 and he likes walking around in a bathrobe and h=
e
> > wants to get paid for his ruined rug, so he goes out to find the other
> > Jeffrey Lebowski and get some recompense.
> > What he finds is Bunny Lebowski, the Big Lebowski's trophy wife. =A0She
> > happens to also be a nymphomaniac. =A0He also finds a rug he likes and
> > he steals it. =A0But Bunny goes missing and the Big Lebowski figures ou=
t
> > that The Dude can identify the men who probably kidnapped her. =A0Enter
> > The Dude's bowling buddy, Walter Sobchak (John Goodman) who comes up
> > with the idea of ripping off the kidnappers and the Big Lebowski.
> > Things just go downhill from there.
> > This is a quotable movie and a Coen Brother's masterpiece.
>
> > PRINCIPAL CAST Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Steve Buscemi, Julianne
> > Moore, Philip Seymour Hoffman
> > DIRECTOR Joel Coen
> > SCREENWRITERS Ethan Coen, Joel Coen
>
> > 8. Gaslight =96 1944
> > An amazing psychological mystery that has been made and remade, this
> > is however, the best version of the film.
> > Paula (Ingrid Bergman) discovers her aunts dead body in their home and
> > her aunt's jewels missing. The murder goes unsolved and Paula is then
> > sent to a music school in Italy where she remains until she marries an
> > older man and pianist, Gregory (Charles Boyer), who convinces her to
> > move back into the London house.
> > Shortly upon arrival in the home, Paula receives a mysterious
> > letter... and the psychological games begin.
> > The mystery and suspense in this movie is palpable. =A0Poor Paula is pu=
t
> > through the wringer and the audience is a long for the ride.
> > Note from Rick: =A0I've heard of this Ingrid Bergman actress before.
> > I've been told she's pretty good. =A0I guess I ought to watch something
> > with her in it. =A0This one seems like a reasonable place to start.
> > PRINCIPAL CAST Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, Joseph Cotten,
> > Dame May Whitty
> > DIRECTOR George Cukor
> > SCREENWRITERS John Van Druten, Walter Reisch, John L. Balderston
> > =A07. The Postman Always Rings Twice - 1946
>
> > A young drifter named Frank (John Garfield) stops at a diner for a
> > meal and gets a job working for the beautiful Cora (Lana Turner) and
> > her much older husband, Nick (Cecil Kellaway). =A0Frank and Cora have a=
n
> > affair and naturally they plot to murder Nick in order to take the
> > diner and get him out of the way.
> > The problem is that Nick isn't easy to kill and the crime isn't easy
> > to cover up, especially with a talented local prosecutor, Kyle Sackett
> > (Leon Ames). =A0 =A0The investigation and its twists are where the real
> > mystery is, because both Frank and Cora are trying to save their own
> > necks which leaves the truth far behind.
> > It's a classic with one of the best ending twists in film. =A0A true
> > masterpiece.
>
> > PRINCIPAL CAST Lana Turner, John Garfield, Cecil Kellaway
> > DIRECTOR Tay Garnett
> > SCREENWRITERS Harry Ruskin, Niven Busch
>
> > 6. North by Northwest - 1959
>
> > This is our first Hitchcock film and it's another case of mistaken
> > identity. =A0Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant), a New York advertising
> > executive, is mistaken for a government agent named George Kaplan.
> > Captured and interrogated by Phillip Vandamm (James Mason), he's
> > confused and denies any knowledge so Vandamm orders Leonard (Martin
> > Landau) to kill him.
> > In order to make the murder look like an accident they stage a drunken
> > car crash and force Roger to drink a lot of bourbon. =A0Roger escapes,
> > but is arrested for drunk driving and can't convince anyone that he
> > was forced to drink until drunk, not even his mother. =A0In order to
> > prove his story, Roger decides to find the real George Kaplan.
> > And that's where the story gets complicated, and dangerous, and wild
> > and more complicated. =A0 It's a turn a minute and a story wrapped up i=
n
> > suspense. =A0Hitchcock really knew what he was doing.
> > PRINCIPAL CAST Cary Grant, Eva Marie Saint, James Mason
> > DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
> > SCREENWRITER Ernest Lehman
>
> > 5. In the Heat of the Night - 1967
>
> > =93They call me Mister Tibbs.=94
> > That's the quote most remembered from this racially charged breakout
> > movie. =A0Sidney Poitier plays Virgil Tibbs, a black man from out of
> > state who is picked up a train station following the murder of a
> > wealthy man in Sparta, Mississippi. =A0Chief Gillespie (Rod Steiger)
> > pegs him for guilty right away because he has too much cash in his
> > wallet for a =93colored man.=94 =A0Mr. Tibbs is a Philadelphia homicide
> > detective who just wants to leave, but after he clears his name he is
> > convinced to help out in the case.
> > This story winds down the deep South's pathways of racism and
> > discrimination. =A0It was quite the movie to be shown in 1967 and still
> > remains one of the greatest statement movies of our time as well as
> > being a fantastic mystery. =A0What starts out as bigotry leads to
> > respect.
> > PRINCIPAL CAST Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, Lee Grant
> > DIRECTOR Norman Jewison
> > SCREENWRITER Stirling Silliphant
>
> > 4. Laura - 1944
> > When a body is found in socialite and beauty Laura Hunt's (Gene
> > Tierney) apartment, it's a death that rocks everyone. =A0Police
> > Detective Mark McPherson (Dana Andrews), becomes obsessed and falls a
> > little in love with the deceased Laura. As he interviews all the usual
> > suspects including her best friend and mentor (Clifton Webb) and her
> > boyfriend (Vincent Price) it seems everyone loves Laura.
>
> > He returns to her apartment one night only to have her walk through
> > the door, very much alive.
> > This is a wonderful and unusual example of a whodunit. =A0All the
> > characters are obviously in love with Laura and all are against each
> > other, giving reasons for the other admirers to have tried to murder
> > her. =A0Twists and turns and suspense, galore!
> > Note from Rick: I haven't seen this movie. =A0I don't know anything
> > about it. =A0I run away from movies with single name titles, especially
> > when the single name is female. =A0It's not that I'm a chauvinist about
> > it, it's that I'm a scared of romance and kissing and stuff and try to
> > avoid it if at all possible.
> > PRINCIPAL CAST Gene Tierney,Dana Andrews, Clifton Webb, Vincent Price,
> > Judith Anderson, Laura Dern, Dean Stockwell
> > DIRECTOR Otto Preminger
> > SCREENWRITERS Jay Dratler, Samuel Hoffenstein, Elizabeth Reinhardt
> > Novel: Vera Caspary
>
> > 3. Seven - 1995
> > Young cop, David Mills (Brad Pitt), teams up with the more seasoned
> > detective, William Somerset (Morgan Freeman), to catch a serial
> > killer. =A0The killer is using the seven deadly sins as his MO making
> > the murders hard to solve, and extremely grotesque. =A0The two cops hav=
e
> > different approaches to the handling of the case and two different
> > views on the killer. =A0Somerset is trying the more psychological route=
,
> > while David dismisses the killers intelligence and considers him just
> > another nut job.
> > The film is really dark, moody and complex and very fricken creepy!
> > Note from Rick: This is suspense done masterfully. =A0It made it to
> > third on the list because David Fincher really honored Hitchcock with
> > mood, if not a little overdone on gore.
> > PRINCIPAL CAST Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Gwyneth Paltrow
> > DIRECTOR David Fincher
> > SCREENWRITER Andrew Kevin Walker
>
> > 2. Vertigo - 1958
> > San Francisco police Detective John "Scottie" Ferguson (James Stewart)
> > retires from the force after his acrophobia causes him Vertigo and the
> > inadvertent death of his partner. =A0He is then approached by an old
> > college friend to keep an eye on his wife Madeleine (Kim Novak). =A0It
> > seems Madeleine suffers from trances and an obsession with a dead and
> > tragic ancestor named Carlotta. =A0Madeleine has no recollection of
> > these trances and her husband is afraid for her life.
> > Soon Scottie becomes as obsessed with Madeleine as she seems to be
> > with Carlotta and when another tragedy strikes, it looks like Scottie
> > will never be the same.
> > This has all the elements of a powerful mystery; suspense,
>
> ...
>
> read more =BB- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

#1 mystery- why my country allowed third world scum like you in here.

Fuck off Gunga Din or I'll ask Amy to get her little sister after you.
And we all know how you're afraid of girls.


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 02:21:51
From: Jim Beam
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 4:38=A0am, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> movies.
>
> I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
> Suspects didnt make it.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> 10. =A0L.A. Confidential =96 1997
>
> This film feels like the 1950's noir fiction that it represents.
> Originally a James Ellroy novel, it's a gritty, seedy story of
> corruption, sex, and murder where you can trust no one and the famous
> and wealthy of Los Angeles get mixed up in the dirty underbelly of the
> city. =A0It starts with a mass murder at a coffee shop and devolves into
> an organized crime story involving pornography, heroin and politics.
> Office Bud White (Russell Crowe) is a monster of a cop but his
> partner, Dick Stensland, was thrown off the force following a police
> brutality case. =A0Bud hates the man who testified against Stensland and
> they both are involved in the crime investigation where Stensland is
> one of the victims. =A0The man: Detective Edmund Exley (Guy Pierce), a
> straight-laced and brilliant detective who plays exactly by the book.
> Enter the third cop involved in the investigation, Sergeant Jack
> Vincennes (Kevin Spacey). =A0He's a celebrity cop who works in
> television as an advisor, has ties to Hush-Hush magazine and leaks
> details of celebrity arrests to the press, for a fee.
> The twists and turns are exquisite and the atmosphere is unbeatable.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Kevin Spacey, Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce,
> James Cromwell, Kim Basinger, Danny DeVito
> DIRECTOR Curtis Hanson
> SCREENWRITERS Brian Helgeland, Curtis Hanson
>
> 9. The Big Lebowski - 1998
>
> In a case of mistaken identity, two thugs rough up Lebowski (Jeff
> Bridges) and piss on his rug. =A0These guys thought Lebowski's wife owed
> Jackie Treehorn (Ben Gazzara) some money. =A0Now Lebowski likes to be
> known as =93The Dude=94 and he likes walking around in a bathrobe and he
> wants to get paid for his ruined rug, so he goes out to find the other
> Jeffrey Lebowski and get some recompense.
> What he finds is Bunny Lebowski, the Big Lebowski's trophy wife. =A0She
> happens to also be a nymphomaniac. =A0He also finds a rug he likes and
> he steals it. =A0But Bunny goes missing and the Big Lebowski figures out
> that The Dude can identify the men who probably kidnapped her. =A0Enter
> The Dude's bowling buddy, Walter Sobchak (John Goodman) who comes up
> with the idea of ripping off the kidnappers and the Big Lebowski.
> Things just go downhill from there.
> This is a quotable movie and a Coen Brother's masterpiece.
>
> PRINCIPAL CAST Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Steve Buscemi, Julianne
> Moore, Philip Seymour Hoffman
> DIRECTOR Joel Coen
> SCREENWRITERS Ethan Coen, Joel Coen
>
> 8. Gaslight =96 1944
> An amazing psychological mystery that has been made and remade, this
> is however, the best version of the film.
> Paula (Ingrid Bergman) discovers her aunts dead body in their home and
> her aunt's jewels missing. The murder goes unsolved and Paula is then
> sent to a music school in Italy where she remains until she marries an
> older man and pianist, Gregory (Charles Boyer), who convinces her to
> move back into the London house.
> Shortly upon arrival in the home, Paula receives a mysterious
> letter... and the psychological games begin.
> The mystery and suspense in this movie is palpable. =A0Poor Paula is put
> through the wringer and the audience is a long for the ride.
> Note from Rick: =A0I've heard of this Ingrid Bergman actress before.
> I've been told she's pretty good. =A0I guess I ought to watch something
> with her in it. =A0This one seems like a reasonable place to start.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, Joseph Cotten,
> Dame May Whitty
> DIRECTOR George Cukor
> SCREENWRITERS John Van Druten, Walter Reisch, John L. Balderston
> =A07. The Postman Always Rings Twice - 1946
>
> A young drifter named Frank (John Garfield) stops at a diner for a
> meal and gets a job working for the beautiful Cora (Lana Turner) and
> her much older husband, Nick (Cecil Kellaway). =A0Frank and Cora have an
> affair and naturally they plot to murder Nick in order to take the
> diner and get him out of the way.
> The problem is that Nick isn't easy to kill and the crime isn't easy
> to cover up, especially with a talented local prosecutor, Kyle Sackett
> (Leon Ames). =A0 =A0The investigation and its twists are where the real
> mystery is, because both Frank and Cora are trying to save their own
> necks which leaves the truth far behind.
> It's a classic with one of the best ending twists in film. =A0A true
> masterpiece.
>
> PRINCIPAL CAST Lana Turner, John Garfield, Cecil Kellaway
> DIRECTOR Tay Garnett
> SCREENWRITERS Harry Ruskin, Niven Busch
>
> 6. North by Northwest - 1959
>
> This is our first Hitchcock film and it's another case of mistaken
> identity. =A0Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant), a New York advertising
> executive, is mistaken for a government agent named George Kaplan.
> Captured and interrogated by Phillip Vandamm (James Mason), he's
> confused and denies any knowledge so Vandamm orders Leonard (Martin
> Landau) to kill him.
> In order to make the murder look like an accident they stage a drunken
> car crash and force Roger to drink a lot of bourbon. =A0Roger escapes,
> but is arrested for drunk driving and can't convince anyone that he
> was forced to drink until drunk, not even his mother. =A0In order to
> prove his story, Roger decides to find the real George Kaplan.
> And that's where the story gets complicated, and dangerous, and wild
> and more complicated. =A0 It's a turn a minute and a story wrapped up in
> suspense. =A0Hitchcock really knew what he was doing.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Cary Grant, Eva Marie Saint, James Mason
> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
> SCREENWRITER Ernest Lehman
>
> 5. In the Heat of the Night - 1967
>
> =93They call me Mister Tibbs.=94
> That's the quote most remembered from this racially charged breakout
> movie. =A0Sidney Poitier plays Virgil Tibbs, a black man from out of
> state who is picked up a train station following the murder of a
> wealthy man in Sparta, Mississippi. =A0Chief Gillespie (Rod Steiger)
> pegs him for guilty right away because he has too much cash in his
> wallet for a =93colored man.=94 =A0Mr. Tibbs is a Philadelphia homicide
> detective who just wants to leave, but after he clears his name he is
> convinced to help out in the case.
> This story winds down the deep South's pathways of racism and
> discrimination. =A0It was quite the movie to be shown in 1967 and still
> remains one of the greatest statement movies of our time as well as
> being a fantastic mystery. =A0What starts out as bigotry leads to
> respect.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, Lee Grant
> DIRECTOR Norman Jewison
> SCREENWRITER Stirling Silliphant
>
> 4. Laura - 1944
> When a body is found in socialite and beauty Laura Hunt's (Gene
> Tierney) apartment, it's a death that rocks everyone. =A0Police
> Detective Mark McPherson (Dana Andrews), becomes obsessed and falls a
> little in love with the deceased Laura. As he interviews all the usual
> suspects including her best friend and mentor (Clifton Webb) and her
> boyfriend (Vincent Price) it seems everyone loves Laura.
>
> He returns to her apartment one night only to have her walk through
> the door, very much alive.
> This is a wonderful and unusual example of a whodunit. =A0All the
> characters are obviously in love with Laura and all are against each
> other, giving reasons for the other admirers to have tried to murder
> her. =A0Twists and turns and suspense, galore!
> Note from Rick: I haven't seen this movie. =A0I don't know anything
> about it. =A0I run away from movies with single name titles, especially
> when the single name is female. =A0It's not that I'm a chauvinist about
> it, it's that I'm a scared of romance and kissing and stuff and try to
> avoid it if at all possible.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Gene Tierney,Dana Andrews, Clifton Webb, Vincent Price,
> Judith Anderson, Laura Dern, Dean Stockwell
> DIRECTOR Otto Preminger
> SCREENWRITERS Jay Dratler, Samuel Hoffenstein, Elizabeth Reinhardt
> Novel: Vera Caspary
>
> 3. Seven - 1995
> Young cop, David Mills (Brad Pitt), teams up with the more seasoned
> detective, William Somerset (Morgan Freeman), to catch a serial
> killer. =A0The killer is using the seven deadly sins as his MO making
> the murders hard to solve, and extremely grotesque. =A0The two cops have
> different approaches to the handling of the case and two different
> views on the killer. =A0Somerset is trying the more psychological route,
> while David dismisses the killers intelligence and considers him just
> another nut job.
> The film is really dark, moody and complex and very fricken creepy!
> Note from Rick: This is suspense done masterfully. =A0It made it to
> third on the list because David Fincher really honored Hitchcock with
> mood, if not a little overdone on gore.
> PRINCIPAL CAST Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Gwyneth Paltrow
> DIRECTOR David Fincher
> SCREENWRITER Andrew Kevin Walker
>
> 2. Vertigo - 1958
> San Francisco police Detective John "Scottie" Ferguson (James Stewart)
> retires from the force after his acrophobia causes him Vertigo and the
> inadvertent death of his partner. =A0He is then approached by an old
> college friend to keep an eye on his wife Madeleine (Kim Novak). =A0It
> seems Madeleine suffers from trances and an obsession with a dead and
> tragic ancestor named Carlotta. =A0Madeleine has no recollection of
> these trances and her husband is afraid for her life.
> Soon Scottie becomes as obsessed with Madeleine as she seems to be
> with Carlotta and when another tragedy strikes, it looks like Scottie
> will never be the same.
> This has all the elements of a powerful mystery; suspense, love, lust,
> tragedy, obsession, a healthy does of psychological games and
> betrayal. =A0Perfection.
> PRINCIPAL CAST James Stewart, Kim Novak, Barbara Bel Geddes
> DIRECTOR Alfred Hitchcock
> SCREENWRITERS Alec Coppel, Samuel A. Taylor
> 1. Rear Window - 1954
> When photographer L.B. "Jeff" Jeffries (James Stewart) is injured and
> confined to a wheelchair, he begins to pass his long days by people
> watching out his apartment window. =A0Late one night he witnesses odd
>
> read more =BB...

Yo, asshole what does this got to do with music? Do you do the
crosspost and non-topic posts for the attention?


 
Date: 16 Feb 2009 02:03:56
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
On Feb 16, 2:38=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> movies.
>
> I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
> Suspects didnt make it.

< much stuff deleted >

You seem to be confusing rst with your personal blog. Those
interested in your views on non-tennis things (and that includes
lists of rock songs/ bands) will look up your home page.
Pl do not post non-tennis stuff on this newsgroup.
Thanks for your cooperation.


  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 21:54:47
From: JJ \(UK\)
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
"ahonkan" <ahonkan@gmail.com > wrote in message
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On Feb 16, 2:38 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.cvrick.com/cv_rick/2008/03/top-ten-mystery.html
>
> I have watched LA Confindential, Gaslight, Seven and Rear Window. In
> fact just finished watching Gaslight on youtube. Theu are all great
> movies.
>
> I haven't watched any of the rest. But I am shocked that The Usual
> Suspects didnt make it.

< much stuff deleted >

> You seem to be confusing rst with your personal blog. Those
> interested in your views on non-tennis things (and that includes
> lists of rock songs/ bands) will look up your home page.
> Pl do not post non-tennis stuff on this newsgroup.
> Thanks for your cooperation.

a perfectly reasonable request, expressed in perfectly reasonable terms.

Still I find myself having to say..."Good luck with that."

JJ (UK)



  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 11:53:11
From: Sean Carroll
Subject: Re: Top 10 mysteries of all time
"ahonkan" <ahonkan@gmail.com > wrote

> Pl do not post non-tennis stuff on this newsgroup.

Pl do not post 'Pl do not post non-tennis stuff on this newsgroup' in this
non-tennis newsgroup.



It amuses me that so many people seem to think that folks will stop
crossposting just because someone asks them to.

Also, how the hell is replying to an off-topic post with another off-topic
*and useless* post, just to complain, supposed to accomplish anything but
wasting even more bandwidth?

And the best part is that they always *crosspost* their requests that people
not crosspost.

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