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Date: 12 Feb 2009 02:36:56
From: ahonkan
Subject: Top players resent ATP draconian drug testing policy
I didn't realize the ATP drug testing policy was so crazy until I read
this:
http://www.rediff.com/sports/2009/feb/12dope-testing-unfair-nadal.htm

I am glad 3 out of top 6 are openly complaining about it - Rafa, Andy
& Gilles.
Setting aside 1 hour a day? That's plain nuts!
Random tests are probably better.




 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 09:32:34
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Top players resent ATP draconian drug testing policy
On Feb 12, 3:21=A0pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:36:56 -0800, ahonkan wrote:
> > I didn't realize the ATP drug testing policy was so crazy until I read
> > this:
> >http://www.rediff.com/sports/2009/feb/12dope-testing-unfair-nadal.htm
>
> > I am glad 3 out of top 6 are openly complaining about it - Rafa, Andy
> > & Gilles.
> > Setting aside 1 hour a day? That's plain nuts!
> > Random tests are probably better.
>
> The word isn't "draconian", anyway; the word is "domineering", as is
> typical in every situation where the population subject to control has no
> say in that control (schools, prisons, mental hospitals, the military,
> totalitarian regimes in general).
>
> All such testing should be circumstance-driven, eg when suspicion
> warrants, not including anonymous tips unless multiple and/or
> circumstantial.
>
> And only for performance-enhancing drugs.
>
> And only for performance-enhancing drugs taken in the appropriate
> time-frame to enhance the performance in question (eg, coke the night
> before shouldn't be held against a player the next day, not least because
> that would probably be performance-degrading anyway-- see the Hingis case=
).
>
> And there's an extra problem, in that some drugs/techniques simply aren't
> laboratory-testable at present: eg, the taking of natural hormones such a=
s
> testosterone and HGH, unless so much is pumped in that the levels can't b=
e
> accounted for naturally, and "blood-loading" or wotever it's called, the
> donation of blood to be held for months until just before a performance
> and then popping the packed red blood cells in to get an oxygen-lift for
> the performance (this has cropped up in bicycling).
>
> Finally, it's worth noting that apparently in at least some sports a
> player's own national drug-testing agency has primary responsibility for
> testing and notification to the world body or bodies involved, which is
> just asking for at least foot-dragging if not more corrupt practices
> (Spain, Fuentes, Nadal) . . . .
>
> --
>
> Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.

Trust me though I have seen people use HGH in real life, and it's not
quite like a normal steroid in that it causes hands/joints/bones/jaw
e.t.c to grow massively. If a Tennis player were on it, YOU WOULD KNOW
without a drugs test.

However, I find it Ironic that blood doping is illegal because it
actually has the same effect as sleeping in an altitude chamber ---
increases the number of red blood cells in your body and thus an
athletes endurance. However one is legal and one is illegal despite
being a means to the same end.


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 10:21:55
From: mimus
Subject: Re: Top players resent ATP draconian drug testing policy
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:36:56 -0800, ahonkan wrote:

> I didn't realize the ATP drug testing policy was so crazy until I read
> this:
> http://www.rediff.com/sports/2009/feb/12dope-testing-unfair-nadal.htm
>
> I am glad 3 out of top 6 are openly complaining about it - Rafa, Andy
> & Gilles.
> Setting aside 1 hour a day? That's plain nuts!
> Random tests are probably better.

The word isn't "draconian", anyway; the word is "domineering", as is
typical in every situation where the population subject to control has no
say in that control (schools, prisons, mental hospitals, the military,
totalitarian regimes in general).

All such testing should be circumstance-driven, eg when suspicion
warrants, not including anonymous tips unless multiple and/or
circumstantial.

And only for performance-enhancing drugs.

And only for performance-enhancing drugs taken in the appropriate
time-frame to enhance the performance in question (eg, coke the night
before shouldn't be held against a player the next day, not least because
that would probably be performance-degrading anyway-- see the Hingis case).

And there's an extra problem, in that some drugs/techniques simply aren't
laboratory-testable at present: eg, the taking of natural hormones such as
testosterone and HGH, unless so much is pumped in that the levels can't be
accounted for naturally, and "blood-loading" or wotever it's called, the
donation of blood to be held for months until just before a performance
and then popping the packed red blood cells in to get an oxygen-lift for
the performance (this has cropped up in bicycling).

Finally, it's worth noting that apparently in at least some sports a
player's own national drug-testing agency has primary responsibility for
testing and notification to the world body or bodies involved, which is
just asking for at least foot-dragging if not more corrupt practices
(Spain, Fuentes, Nadal) . . . .

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.




 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 05:10:20
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: Top players resent ATP draconian drug testing policy
On Feb 12, 5:36=A0am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I didn't realize the ATP drug testing policy was so crazy until I read
> this:http://www.rediff.com/sports/2009/feb/12dope-testing-unfair-nadal.ht=
m
>
> I am glad 3 out of top 6 are openly complaining about it - Rafa, Andy
> & Gilles.
> Setting aside 1 hour a day? That's plain nuts!
> Random tests are probably better.

Wondering why these three are complaining?! specially they are the top
bumrooters.


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 04:20:34
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Top players resent ATP draconian drug testing policy
On Feb 12, 6:19=A0am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:09:50 +0100, "*skriptis"
>
>
>
> <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
> >"Professor X" <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:cb4aea7d-eb0d-4274-8527-8dd38cc0cabb@w35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com..=
.
> >On Feb 12, 11:21 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:ade957ad-16ce-4e1a-8a69-18c1eb14e2d3@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com.=
..
> >> On Feb 12, 10:36 am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > I didn't realize the ATP drug testing policy was so crazy until I re=
ad
> >> > this:http://www.rediff.com/sports/2009/feb/12dope-testing-unfair-nad=
al.htm
>
> >> > I am glad 3 out of top 6 are openly complaining about it - Rafa, And=
y
> >> > & Gilles.
> >> > Setting aside 1 hour a day? That's plain nuts!
> >> > Random tests are probably better.
> >> >Other sports e.g. athletics already implement the same system.
>
> >> It's not the same.
>
> >>It is, WADA do both now b/c Tennis is an =A0olympic sport. Point is tha=
t
> >>TENNIS should not be treated the same as Athletics.
>
> >No it isn't. Tennis is not the same as athletics. That's the point.
>
> let me throw this in ....
>
> golf is not a sport.
>
> ha ha

Most gay people play and watch Golf. Its a well known fact. Whisper is
a prime example.




  
Date: 12 Feb 2009 12:24:21
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Top players resent ATP draconian drug testing policy
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:20:34 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepfloyes@gmail.com >
wrote:

>On Feb 12, 6:19 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:09:50 +0100, "*skriptis"
>>
>>
>>
>> <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>
>> >"Professor X" <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:cb4aea7d-eb0d-4274-8527-8dd38cc0cabb@w35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> >On Feb 12, 11:21 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> >> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:ade957ad-16ce-4e1a-8a69-18c1eb14e2d3@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Feb 12, 10:36 am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > I didn't realize the ATP drug testing policy was so crazy until I read
>> >> > this:http://www.rediff.com/sports/2009/feb/12dope-testing-unfair-nadal.htm
>>
>> >> > I am glad 3 out of top 6 are openly complaining about it - Rafa, Andy
>> >> > & Gilles.
>> >> > Setting aside 1 hour a day? That's plain nuts!
>> >> > Random tests are probably better.
>> >> >Other sports e.g. athletics already implement the same system.
>>
>> >> It's not the same.
>>
>> >>It is, WADA do both now b/c Tennis is an  olympic sport. Point is that
>> >>TENNIS should not be treated the same as Athletics.
>>
>> >No it isn't. Tennis is not the same as athletics. That's the point.
>>
>> let me throw this in ....
>>
>> golf is not a sport.
>>
>> ha ha
>
>Most gay people play and watch Golf. Its a well known fact. Whisper is
>a prime example.
>


i am not sure technically if whisper is gay because he has no balls. i
think you at least have to have balls to be considered gay.

i therefore suspect he is a dom lesbian.


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 04:00:04
From: Professor X
Subject: Re: Top players resent ATP draconian drug testing policy
On Feb 12, 11:21=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ade957ad-16ce-4e1a-8a69-18c1eb14e2d3@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 12, 10:36 am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I didn't realize the ATP drug testing policy was so crazy until I read
> > this:http://www.rediff.com/sports/2009/feb/12dope-testing-unfair-nadal.=
htm
>
> > I am glad 3 out of top 6 are openly complaining about it - Rafa, Andy
> > & Gilles.
> > Setting aside 1 hour a day? That's plain nuts!
> > Random tests are probably better.
> >Other sports e.g. athletics already implement the same system.
>
> It's not the same.

It is, WADA do both now b/c Tennis is an olympic sport. Point is that
TENNIS should not be treated the same as Athletics.


  
Date: 12 Feb 2009 13:09:50
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Top players resent ATP draconian drug testing policy

"Professor X" <suebokaian@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:cb4aea7d-eb0d-4274-8527-8dd38cc0cabb@w35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 12, 11:21 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ade957ad-16ce-4e1a-8a69-18c1eb14e2d3@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 12, 10:36 am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I didn't realize the ATP drug testing policy was so crazy until I read
> > this:http://www.rediff.com/sports/2009/feb/12dope-testing-unfair-nadal.htm
>
> > I am glad 3 out of top 6 are openly complaining about it - Rafa, Andy
> > & Gilles.
> > Setting aside 1 hour a day? That's plain nuts!
> > Random tests are probably better.
> >Other sports e.g. athletics already implement the same system.
>
> It's not the same.

>It is, WADA do both now b/c Tennis is an olympic sport. Point is that
>TENNIS should not be treated the same as Athletics.



No it isn't. Tennis is not the same as athletics. That's the point.





   
Date: 12 Feb 2009 12:19:08
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Top players resent ATP draconian drug testing policy
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:09:50 +0100, "*skriptis"
<skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

>
>"Professor X" <suebokaian@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:cb4aea7d-eb0d-4274-8527-8dd38cc0cabb@w35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>On Feb 12, 11:21 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> <gregor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:ade957ad-16ce-4e1a-8a69-18c1eb14e2d3@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 12, 10:36 am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I didn't realize the ATP drug testing policy was so crazy until I read
>> > this:http://www.rediff.com/sports/2009/feb/12dope-testing-unfair-nadal.htm
>>
>> > I am glad 3 out of top 6 are openly complaining about it - Rafa, Andy
>> > & Gilles.
>> > Setting aside 1 hour a day? That's plain nuts!
>> > Random tests are probably better.
>> >Other sports e.g. athletics already implement the same system.
>>
>> It's not the same.
>
>>It is, WADA do both now b/c Tennis is an olympic sport. Point is that
>>TENNIS should not be treated the same as Athletics.
>
>
>
>No it isn't. Tennis is not the same as athletics. That's the point.
>

let me throw this in ....

golf is not a sport.

ha ha


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 03:08:25
From:
Subject: Re: Top players resent ATP draconian drug testing policy
On Feb 12, 10:36=A0am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I didn't realize the ATP drug testing policy was so crazy until I read
> this:http://www.rediff.com/sports/2009/feb/12dope-testing-unfair-nadal.ht=
m
>
> I am glad 3 out of top 6 are openly complaining about it - Rafa, Andy
> & Gilles.
> Setting aside 1 hour a day? That's plain nuts!
> Random tests are probably better.

Other sports e.g. athletics already implement the same system.



  
Date: 12 Feb 2009 12:21:01
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Top players resent ATP draconian drug testing policy

<gregorawe@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:ade957ad-16ce-4e1a-8a69-18c1eb14e2d3@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 12, 10:36 am, ahonkan <ahon...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I didn't realize the ATP drug testing policy was so crazy until I read
> this:http://www.rediff.com/sports/2009/feb/12dope-testing-unfair-nadal.htm
>
> I am glad 3 out of top 6 are openly complaining about it - Rafa, Andy
> & Gilles.
> Setting aside 1 hour a day? That's plain nuts!
> Random tests are probably better.

>Other sports e.g. athletics already implement the same system.


It's not the same.