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Date: 05 Jan 2009 06:17:25
From: Scott
Subject: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
http://www.atpworldtour.com/1/en/news/newsarticle_1637.asp

Tomic picked up 6 games against the world # 15. Not a bad result for
a 16 year-old.





 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 07:19:42
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
On Jan 5, 4:00=A0pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> >http://www.atpworldtour.com/1/en/news/newsarticle_1637.asp
>
> > Tomic picked up 6 games against the world # 15. =A0Not a bad result for
> > a 16 year-old.
>
> No, but Lleyton Hewitt won an ATP tournament at 16.

don't forget that Leyton reached his peak in the soft-cock Sampras
era.



 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 15:23:07
From:
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
On Jan 5, 2:17=A0pm, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> http://www.atpworldtour.com/1/en/news/newsarticle_1637.asp
>
> Tomic picked up 6 games against the world # 15. =A0Not a bad result for
> a 16 year-old.

"World No. 15 Verdasco won 31 of 39 points on first serve and
converted four of 13 break point opportunities."

Sounds like the score flattered Tomic somewhat ...



 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 08:00:29
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
Scott wrote:
> http://www.atpworldtour.com/1/en/news/newsarticle_1637.asp
>
> Tomic picked up 6 games against the world # 15. Not a bad result for
> a 16 year-old.

No, but Lleyton Hewitt won an ATP tournament at 16.




  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:55:35
From:
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
In article <dyu8l.3718$Ze3.889@newsfe10.iad >, no@email.provided (DavidW)
wrote:

> Scott wrote:
> > http://www.atpworldtour.com/1/en/news/newsarticle_1637.asp
> >
> > Tomic picked up 6 games against the world # 15. Not a bad result
> > for
> > a 16 year-old.
>
> No, but Lleyton Hewitt won an ATP tournament at 16.
>

But that was exceptionally young.

wg


   
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:53:37
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <dyu8l.3718$Ze3.889@newsfe10.iad>, no@email.provided (DavidW)
> wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>> http://www.atpworldtour.com/1/en/news/newsarticle_1637.asp
>>>
>>> Tomic picked up 6 games against the world # 15. Not a bad result
>>> for
>>> a 16 year-old.
>> No, but Lleyton Hewitt won an ATP tournament at 16.
>>
>
> But that was exceptionally young.
>
> wg


You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact very
young. Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but the greats
do make a big impact in their teens. The exception is clown era.



    
Date: 08 Jan 2009 10:48:56
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
On Jan 8, 1:44=A0pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > On Jan 8, 4:58 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On =A07-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >>>>> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.n=
et.au >,
> >>>>> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
> >>>>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
> >>>>>> very young. =A0Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
> >>>>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. =A0The exception i=
s
> >>>>>> clown era.
> >>>>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hew=
itt,
> >>>>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise al=
l of
> >>>>> those.
> >>>> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great com=
petitor
> >>>> and far superior to Hewitt....
> >>> Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
> >>> Sampras era ...
> >> In case you've forgotten Chang thrashed Agassi in 2 slam semis in
> >> ridiculously easy sets - we know how old Agassi went v peak Fed at
> >> 2004/2005 USOs.-
>
> > it's amazing how often you use that mid-match result in your
> > "arguments". =A0like that set and a half that Agassi played against
> > Roger, with a full stadium rooting him on, is so significant it
> > warrants being brought up forever.
>
> 5 setter in 2004 USO (& Agassi even lost 1 set 5-7), & of course in 2005
> final Agassi led 36 62 42 & point for 5-2.-

meanwhile, Agassi was one of the greatest at the USO in the modern
era. In 2005, the partisan crowd was deafening, a difficult obstacle
for Roger to deal with.




    
Date: 08 Jan 2009 06:39:38
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
On Jan 8, 5:07=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> > On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:57:44 -0800 (PST), gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >> On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On =A07-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> >>>> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.ne=
t.au >,
> >>>> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
> >>>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
> >>>>> very young. =A0Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
> >>>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. =A0The exception is
> >>>>> clown era.
> >>>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewi=
tt,
> >>>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all=
of
> >>>> those.
> >>> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great comp=
etitor
> >>> and far superior to Hewitt....
> >> Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
> >> Sampras era ...
>
> > Chang was a clown and an good example of the Sampras clown era.
> > Compare him to Rafa ! ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
> Chang d Agassi 1996 USO semifinal 63 62 62
> Chang d Agassi 1996 AO semifinal 61 64 76
>
> Nadal d 'old' Agassi 2005 Canadian Open final 75 36 64
>
> Peak Chang was better than Agassi, & old Agassi embarrassed peak Fed &
> Rafa in this era by pushing them to the absolute limit. =A0They really
> shoulda killed him 61 61 type at his age - shameful.-

That's what's great about sports is that the old lions can find a way
to compete with the young guns.
It happens in every era.

Lendl (age 32) beating 21-year-old Sampras in straight sets
37-year-old Connors taking 19-year-old Agassi to five sets at the open
38-year-old Connors battling 20-year-old Chang tooth and nail at FO
Rosewall winning Slams into his late 30s
Laver winning the fucking Grand Slam at age 31

Yet you use take yet another example (Agassi able to compete with
*young* Rafa and peak Fed) of what has
been a constant in tennis history and use it for more clown era
rubbish.

Now that is *shameful*


     
Date: 09 Jan 2009 01:21:03
From: TT
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
Jason Catlin wrote:
> On Jan 8, 5:07 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:57:44 -0800 (PST), gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 7-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>>>>>> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
>>>>>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
>>>>>>> very young. Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
>>>>>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. The exception is
>>>>>>> clown era.
>>>>>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewitt,
>>>>>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all of
>>>>>> those.
>>>>> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great competitor
>>>>> and far superior to Hewitt....
>>>> Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
>>>> Sampras era ...
>>> Chang was a clown and an good example of the Sampras clown era.
>>> Compare him to Rafa ! ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>> Chang d Agassi 1996 USO semifinal 63 62 62
>> Chang d Agassi 1996 AO semifinal 61 64 76
>>
>> Nadal d 'old' Agassi 2005 Canadian Open final 75 36 64
>>
>> Peak Chang was better than Agassi, & old Agassi embarrassed peak Fed &
>> Rafa in this era by pushing them to the absolute limit. They really
>> shoulda killed him 61 61 type at his age - shameful.-
>
> That's what's great about sports is that the old lions can find a way
> to compete with the young guns.
> It happens in every era.
>
> Lendl (age 32) beating 21-year-old Sampras in straight sets
> 37-year-old Connors taking 19-year-old Agassi to five sets at the open
> 38-year-old Connors battling 20-year-old Chang tooth and nail at FO
> Rosewall winning Slams into his late 30s
> Laver winning the fucking Grand Slam at age 31
>
> Yet you use take yet another example (Agassi able to compete with
> *young* Rafa and peak Fed) of what has
> been a constant in tennis history and use it for more clown era
> rubbish.
>
> Now that is *shameful*

Good post.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


    
Date: 08 Jan 2009 06:15:04
From: Jason Catlin
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
On Jan 8, 5:07=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> > On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:57:44 -0800 (PST), gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >> On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On =A07-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> >>>> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.ne=
t.au >,
> >>>> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
> >>>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
> >>>>> very young. =A0Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
> >>>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. =A0The exception is
> >>>>> clown era.
> >>>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewi=
tt,
> >>>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all=
of
> >>>> those.
> >>> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great comp=
etitor
> >>> and far superior to Hewitt....
> >> Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
> >> Sampras era ...
>
> > Chang was a clown and an good example of the Sampras clown era.
> > Compare him to Rafa ! ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
> Chang d Agassi 1996 USO semifinal 63 62 62
> Chang d Agassi 1996 AO semifinal 61 64 76

>
> Peak Chang was better than Agassi

LOL. You must piss yourself laughing writing this bullshit.



    
Date: 08 Jan 2009 05:50:16
From:
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
On Jan 8, 9:58=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On =A07-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> >>> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net=
.au >,
> >>> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
> >>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
> >>>> very young. =A0Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
> >>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. =A0The exception is
> >>>> clown era.
> >>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewit=
t,
> >>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all =
of
> >>> those.
> >> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great compe=
titor
> >> and far superior to Hewitt....
>
> > Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
> > Sampras era ...
>
> In case you've forgotten Chang thrashed Agassi in 2 slam semis in
> ridiculously easy sets - we know how old Agassi went v peak Fed at
> 2004/2005 USOs

Yes - he lost.

Agassi quote after 1996 USO SF loss to Chang - "I felt like I was 40%
the player that I have been."




     
Date: 09 Jan 2009 05:46:09
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 8, 9:58 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>>>>> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
>>>>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
>>>>>> very young. Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
>>>>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. The exception is
>>>>>> clown era.
>>>>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewitt,
>>>>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all of
>>>>> those.
>>>> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great competitor
>>>> and far superior to Hewitt....
>>> Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
>>> Sampras era ...
>> In case you've forgotten Chang thrashed Agassi in 2 slam semis in
>> ridiculously easy sets - we know how old Agassi went v peak Fed at
>> 2004/2005 USOs
>
> Yes - he lost.
>
> Agassi quote after 1996 USO SF loss to Chang - "I felt like I was 40%
> the player that I have been."
>
>



At least he wasn't at 12% like Serena when she loses.



    
Date: 08 Jan 2009 05:25:16
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
On Jan 8, 4:58=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On =A07-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> >>> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net=
.au >,
> >>> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
> >>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
> >>>> very young. =A0Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
> >>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. =A0The exception is
> >>>> clown era.
> >>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewit=
t,
> >>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all =
of
> >>> those.
> >> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great compe=
titor
> >> and far superior to Hewitt....
>
> > Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
> > Sampras era ...
>
> In case you've forgotten Chang thrashed Agassi in 2 slam semis in
> ridiculously easy sets - we know how old Agassi went v peak Fed at
> 2004/2005 USOs.-

it's amazing how often you use that mid-match result in your
"arguments". like that set and a half that Agassi played against
Roger, with a full stadium rooting him on, is so significant it
warrants being brought up forever.


     
Date: 09 Jan 2009 05:44:05
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
Scott wrote:
> On Jan 8, 4:58 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>>>>> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
>>>>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
>>>>>> very young. Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
>>>>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. The exception is
>>>>>> clown era.
>>>>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewitt,
>>>>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all of
>>>>> those.
>>>> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great competitor
>>>> and far superior to Hewitt....
>>> Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
>>> Sampras era ...
>> In case you've forgotten Chang thrashed Agassi in 2 slam semis in
>> ridiculously easy sets - we know how old Agassi went v peak Fed at
>> 2004/2005 USOs.-
>
> it's amazing how often you use that mid-match result in your
> "arguments". like that set and a half that Agassi played against
> Roger, with a full stadium rooting him on, is so significant it
> warrants being brought up forever.


5 setter in 2004 USO (& Agassi even lost 1 set 5-7), & of course in 2005
final Agassi led 36 62 42 & point for 5-2.



      
Date: 08 Jan 2009 18:46:32
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2

On 8-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote:

> Scott wrote:
> > On Jan 8, 4:58 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 7-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> >>>>> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
> >>>>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
> >>>>>> very young. Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
> >>>>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. The exception is
> >>>>>> clown era.
> >>>>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare.
> >>>>> Hewitt,
> >>>>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> those.
> >>>> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great
> >>>> competitor
> >>>> and far superior to Hewitt....
> >>> Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
> >>> Sampras era ...
> >> In case you've forgotten Chang thrashed Agassi in 2 slam semis in
> >> ridiculously easy sets - we know how old Agassi went v peak Fed at
> >> 2004/2005 USOs.-
> >
> > it's amazing how often you use that mid-match result in your
> > "arguments". like that set and a half that Agassi played against
> > Roger, with a full stadium rooting him on, is so significant it
> > warrants being brought up forever.
>
>
> 5 setter in 2004 USO (& Agassi even lost 1 set 5-7), & of course in 2005
> final Agassi led 36 62 42 & point for 5-2.

Don't want to see the math on what makes that significant...


       
Date: 09 Jan 2009 06:25:08
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
jdeluise wrote:
> On 8-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>> On Jan 8, 4:58 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>>>>>>> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
>>>>>>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
>>>>>>>> very young. Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
>>>>>>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. The exception is
>>>>>>>> clown era.
>>>>>>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare.
>>>>>>> Hewitt,
>>>>>>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> those.
>>>>>> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great
>>>>>> competitor
>>>>>> and far superior to Hewitt....
>>>>> Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
>>>>> Sampras era ...
>>>> In case you've forgotten Chang thrashed Agassi in 2 slam semis in
>>>> ridiculously easy sets - we know how old Agassi went v peak Fed at
>>>> 2004/2005 USOs.-
>>> it's amazing how often you use that mid-match result in your
>>> "arguments". like that set and a half that Agassi played against
>>> Roger, with a full stadium rooting him on, is so significant it
>>> warrants being brought up forever.
>>
>> 5 setter in 2004 USO (& Agassi even lost 1 set 5-7), & of course in 2005
>> final Agassi led 36 62 42 & point for 5-2.
>
> Don't want to see the math on what makes that significant...


Apparently the standard of current players is so high former greats
would be skinned alive.



    
Date: 07 Jan 2009 11:57:44
From:
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
On Jan 7, 7:52=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On =A07-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> > In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.a=
u >,
>
> > beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
>
> > > You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
> > > very young. =A0Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
> > > the greats do make a big impact in their teens. =A0The exception is
> > > clown era.
>
> > In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewitt,
> > Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all of
> > those.
>
> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great competit=
or
> and far superior to Hewitt....

Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
Sampras era ...



     
Date: 08 Jan 2009 20:58:22
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>>> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
>>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
>>>> very young. Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
>>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. The exception is
>>>> clown era.
>>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewitt,
>>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all of
>>> those.
>> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great competitor
>> and far superior to Hewitt....
>
> Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
> Sampras era ...
>



In case you've forgotten Chang thrashed Agassi in 2 slam semis in
ridiculously easy sets - we know how old Agassi went v peak Fed at
2004/2005 USOs.



     
Date: 08 Jan 2009 00:04:15
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:57:44 -0800 (PST), gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On  7-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> > In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>>
>> > beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
>>
>> > > You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
>> > > very young.  Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
>> > > the greats do make a big impact in their teens.  The exception is
>> > > clown era.
>>
>> > In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewitt,
>> > Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all of
>> > those.
>>
>> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great competitor
>> and far superior to Hewitt....
>
>Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
>Sampras era ...


Chang was a clown and an good example of the Sampras clown era.
Compare him to Rafa ! ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


      
Date: 08 Jan 2009 21:07:27
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:57:44 -0800 (PST), gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Jan 7, 7:52 pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 7-Jan-2009, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>>>> beaver...@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
>>>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
>>>>> very young. Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
>>>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. The exception is
>>>>> clown era.
>>>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewitt,
>>>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all of
>>>> those.
>>> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great competitor
>>> and far superior to Hewitt....
>> Whisper has to talk Chang up as he was #2 for a good while during the
>> Sampras era ...
>
>
> Chang was a clown and an good example of the Sampras clown era.
> Compare him to Rafa ! ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


Chang d Agassi 1996 USO semifinal 63 62 62
Chang d Agassi 1996 AO semifinal 61 64 76


Nadal d 'old' Agassi 2005 Canadian Open final 75 36 64


Peak Chang was better than Agassi, & old Agassi embarrassed peak Fed &
Rafa in this era by pushing them to the absolute limit. They really
shoulda killed him 61 61 type at his age - shameful.










    
Date: 07 Jan 2009 13:05:35
From:
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au >,
beaver999@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:

>
> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
> very young. Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. The exception is
> clown era.
>

In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewitt,
Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all of
those.

Sampras didn't make much noise before he was 18/19.

wg


     
Date: 08 Jan 2009 20:41:23
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> beaver999@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
>
>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
>> very young. Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. The exception is
>> clown era.
>>
>
> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewitt,
> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all of
> those.
>
> Sampras didn't make much noise before he was 18/19.
>
> wg



He just turned 18 when he knocked out defending USO champ at 1989 USO -
he was 17 a couple weeks before that so I call that a pretty big
statement. And then of course went all the way the following yr
torching 4 No.1's & becoming youngest ever men's USO champ.





     
Date: 07 Jan 2009 19:52:08
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2

On 7-Jan-2009, wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:

> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>
> beaver999@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
>
> >
> > You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
> > very young. Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
> > the greats do make a big impact in their teens. The exception is
> > clown era.
> >
>
> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewitt,
> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all of
> those.
>

You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great competitor
and far superior to Hewitt....


      
Date: 08 Jan 2009 20:57:07
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
jdeluise wrote:
> On 7-Jan-2009, wendyg@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
>> In article <496489b2$0$28513$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>>
>> beaver999@ozemail.com.au (Whisper) wrote:
>>
>>> You'll find the great players generally have to make a big impact
>>> very young. Doesn't mean every young achiever will win big, but
>>> the greats do make a big impact in their teens. The exception is
>>> clown era.
>>>
>> In their teens, yes, but on the men's side 16 is extreely rare. Hewitt,
>> Agassi, and Chang only ones who spring to mine - and you despise all of
>> those.
>>
>
> You might have missed it, but Whisper now touts Chang as a great competitor
> and far superior to Hewitt....


Peak Chang would beat peak Hewitt imo.


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 23:10:46
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Verdasco defeats Tomic, 6-4, 6-2
DavidW wrote:
> Scott wrote:
>> http://www.atpworldtour.com/1/en/news/newsarticle_1637.asp
>>
>> Tomic picked up 6 games against the world # 15. Not a bad result for
>> a 16 year-old.
>
> No, but Lleyton Hewitt won an ATP tournament at 16.
>
>


Yeah, but still 16 is pretty young. If Tomic doesn't beat Verdasco
types in a yr's time then we should be questioning his potential.