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Date: 12 Feb 2009 15:48:49
From: Raja
Subject: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis


WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
Wednesday, February 11, 2009




 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 15:37:18
From:
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 17, 4:26=A0pm, Mortimer <ECthaki...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 12, 6:48=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:>http://sports.esp=
n.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&name=3Dtennis
>
> > WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> > Wednesday, February 11, 2009


  
Date: 18 Feb 2009 15:18:10
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:37:18 -0800 (PST), zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Feb 17, 4:26pm, Mortimer <ECthaki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 12, 6:48pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>>
>> > WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
>> > Wednesday, February 11, 2009


 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 14:26:47
From: Mortimer
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 12, 6:48=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&name=3Dtennis
>
> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 12:09:05
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 16, 9:50=A0pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> ghell666 wrote:
>
> > The only reasonGrafkilled her at the WImbledon was bomb threats etc
> > ( even then ) and the fact she was told to tone down /s top her
> > shrieking ( almost joke compared to sharapova / willams etc now )
>
> Grafdidn't shriek/grunt in that match either. Same for both players.


How comes that Seles didn't shriek/grunt in her 0-6 1-6 destruction by
Steffi Graf in Wimbledon 1990 either?


 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 12:07:24
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 14, 3:54=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> Calimero wrote:
> > On Feb 13, 12:01 pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> ...
> >> You know I thinks thats bs personally aboutGraf..
>
> >> I think Monica had her number and everyone - inlucdinggrafknew it..
>
> > When Monica was #1 pre-stabbing she was 2-3 H2H againstGrafin
> > matches, 5-8 in sets played.
> > That's "having one's number" in you book ... ?
>
> You're one nasty troll. Skewing the truth, shame on you. If now Federer
> beats Nadal two times in tune-ups, would you claim that Nadal doesn't hav=
e
> Fed's numbers because h2h would be in Federer's favour vs #1 Nadal, combi=
ned
> that with Fed's =A0wins vs unmatured Nadal like Miami 05?
> Crap.
> Seles' record vsGrafexisted before the period Seles reached #1 and =A0tha=
t
> record, pre-stabbing, since Seles won her first slam, including that slam
> is:
>
> Seles 2-0 at FO, 1-0 at AO and 0-1 at Wimbledon.(!).
>

Wrong as always.
Seles 2-1 at FO, 1-0 at AO and 0-2 at Wimbledons.
That is 3-3 at slams.
With Graf destroying Seles twice (6-0 6-1 and 6-2 6-1) at the most
important slam.
And 3-1 in tune-ups. 2-0 when Seles was #1.

> My truth is also the truth, but it looks different than yours, doesn't it=
?
>
> > Because of a 10-8 in 3rd set on Seles best andGraf'sworst
> > surface ... ?
> > Let me guess - you are an American?
>
> I thhought Seles won 6 HC slams and 3 FO, 28 HC tournaments and 14 clay
> tournaments?

Seles was very good at slow HCs (AO).
Not on fast HC (USO style).
Just have a look how she played at her absolute peak (1991-93) on fast
HC:

11 tournaments, 5 titles.
9 wins against top-10 players, 6 losses.
1-2 vs. Navi, 1-2 vs. JenCap, 0-1 vs.Graf.
2-1 vs. ASV, 3-0 vs. MJF, 1-0 vs. Martinez, 1-0 vs. Sabby.

On fast HC Seles is not among the top 10 of the open era. She was a
top player on clay and on slow HC, though.

Max




  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 21:56:26
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
Calimero wrote:
> On Feb 14, 3:54 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> Calimero wrote:
>>> On Feb 13, 12:01 pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> ...
>>>> You know I thinks thats bs personally aboutGraf..
>>
>>>> I think Monica had her number and everyone - inlucdinggrafknew it..
>>
>>> When Monica was #1 pre-stabbing she was 2-3 H2H againstGrafin
>>> matches, 5-8 in sets played.
>>> That's "having one's number" in you book ... ?
>>
>> You're one nasty troll. Skewing the truth, shame on you. If now
>> Federer beats Nadal two times in tune-ups, would you claim that
>> Nadal doesn't have Fed's numbers because h2h would be in Federer's
>> favour vs #1 Nadal, combined that with Fed's wins vs unmatured Nadal
>> like Miami 05?
>> Crap.
>> Seles' record vsGrafexisted before the period Seles reached #1 and
>> that record, pre-stabbing, since Seles won her first slam, including
>> that slam is:
>>
>> Seles 2-0 at FO, 1-0 at AO and 0-1 at Wimbledon.(!).
>>
>
> Wrong as always.
> Seles 2-1 at FO, 1-0 at AO and 0-2 at Wimbledons.
> That is 3-3 at slams.
> With Graf destroying Seles twice (6-0 6-1 and 6-2 6-1) at the most
> important slam.
> And 3-1 in tune-ups. 2-0 when Seles was #1.


Troll.
I said "since Seles won her first slam, includin that slam her record vs
Graf was", as I said:
Seles 2-0 at FO, 1-0 at AO and 0-1 at Wimbledon.(!).

I was not counting loses a 15-year old girl suffered vs peak Graf.
Only those Graf inflicted on Seles after Monica won her first slam, eg when
she hit her prime, not even peak, neccessarily.

This is cherrypicking, but to point was to dismantle your argument of
cherrypicking and saying that Graf 's h2h vs #1 Seles is of any importance.
It's stupid and meaningless, so if you're not trolling, you could skip that
in the future.

Federer has 6-12 record vs non-#1 Rafa and 0-1 vs #1 Rafa.

"Let's ignore Federer's record while he was number 1 and lost 3 FO finals,
got trashed at FO 08, lost Wimbledon etc and let's focus on how he dealt
with #1 Nadal"
He lost in a 5-setter AO final? Against world #1?
Ugh, not so bad...







>> My truth is also the truth, but it looks different than yours,
>> doesn't it?
>>
>>> Because of a 10-8 in 3rd set on Seles best andGraf'sworst
>>> surface ... ?
>>> Let me guess - you are an American?
>>
>> I thhought Seles won 6 HC slams and 3 FO, 28 HC tournaments and 14
>> clay tournaments?
>
> Seles was very good at slow HCs (AO).
> Not on fast HC (USO style).
> Just have a look how she played at her absolute peak (1991-93) on fast
> HC:
>
> 11 tournaments, 5 titles.
> 9 wins against top-10 players, 6 losses.
> 1-2 vs. Navi, 1-2 vs. JenCap, 0-1 vs.Graf.
> 2-1 vs. ASV, 3-0 vs. MJF, 1-0 vs. Martinez, 1-0 vs. Sabby.
>
> On fast HC Seles is not among the top 10 of the open era. She was a
> top player on clay and on slow HC, though.


It could be argued but still you have a double-flaw there, how could clay be
Graf's worst and Seles' best surface when Monica had almost identical
results on HC slams.
3 clay slams + 6 HC slams. And there are twice as many HC slams per year.


otoh Graf won 6 FO, and when you consider there are two HC slams annually
(and she won 4 AO + 5 USO), then she won "only" 4.5 slams per HC compared
to her 6 FO titles on clay.


Imo Graf was very versatile and could have ended up with different numbers,
but these number are the way they are, they say she did have more succes on
clay slam than on HC slams. So clay was not her worst surface. It was her
second best actually. After grass.

And, probably, it was Seles' second best as well, after slow HC.








   
Date: 18 Feb 2009 08:39:45
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
*skriptis wrote:
> Calimero wrote:
>> On Feb 14, 3:54 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>> Calimero wrote:
>>>> On Feb 13, 12:01 pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>> You know I thinks thats bs personally aboutGraf..
>>>
>>>>> I think Monica had her number and everyone - inlucdinggrafknew
>>>>> it..
>>>
>>>> When Monica was #1 pre-stabbing she was 2-3 H2H againstGrafin
>>>> matches, 5-8 in sets played.
>>>> That's "having one's number" in you book ... ?
>>>
>>> You're one nasty troll. Skewing the truth, shame on you. If now
>>> Federer beats Nadal two times in tune-ups, would you claim that
>>> Nadal doesn't have Fed's numbers because h2h would be in Federer's
>>> favour vs #1 Nadal, combined that with Fed's wins vs unmatured Nadal
>>> like Miami 05?
>>> Crap.
>>> Seles' record vsGrafexisted before the period Seles reached #1 and
>>> that record, pre-stabbing, since Seles won her first slam, including
>>> that slam is:
>>>
>>> Seles 2-0 at FO, 1-0 at AO and 0-1 at Wimbledon.(!).
>>>
>>
>> Wrong as always.
>> Seles 2-1 at FO, 1-0 at AO and 0-2 at Wimbledons.
>> That is 3-3 at slams.
>> With Graf destroying Seles twice (6-0 6-1 and 6-2 6-1) at the most
>> important slam.
>> And 3-1 in tune-ups. 2-0 when Seles was #1.
>
>
> Troll.
> I said "since Seles won her first slam, includin that slam her record
> vs Graf was", as I said:
> Seles 2-0 at FO, 1-0 at AO and 0-1 at Wimbledon.(!).
>
> I was not counting loses a 15-year old girl suffered vs peak Graf.
> Only those Graf inflicted on Seles after Monica won her first slam,
> eg when she hit her prime, not even peak, neccessarily.
>
> This is cherrypicking, but to point was to dismantle your argument of
> cherrypicking and saying that Graf 's h2h vs #1 Seles is of any
> importance. It's stupid and meaningless, so if you're not trolling,
> you could skip that in the future.
>
> Federer has 6-12 record vs non-#1 Rafa and 0-1 vs #1 Rafa.
>
> "Let's ignore Federer's record while he was number 1 and lost 3 FO
> finals, got trashed at FO 08, lost Wimbledon etc and let's focus on
> how he dealt with #1 Nadal"
> He lost in a 5-setter AO final? Against world #1?
> Ugh, not so bad...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>> My truth is also the truth, but it looks different than yours,
>>> doesn't it?
>>>
>>>> Because of a 10-8 in 3rd set on Seles best andGraf'sworst
>>>> surface ... ?
>>>> Let me guess - you are an American?
>>>
>>> I thhought Seles won 6 HC slams and 3 FO, 28 HC tournaments and 14
>>> clay tournaments?
>>
>> Seles was very good at slow HCs (AO).
>> Not on fast HC (USO style).
>> Just have a look how she played at her absolute peak (1991-93) on
>> fast HC:
>>
>> 11 tournaments, 5 titles.
>> 9 wins against top-10 players, 6 losses.
>> 1-2 vs. Navi, 1-2 vs. JenCap, 0-1 vs.Graf.
>> 2-1 vs. ASV, 3-0 vs. MJF, 1-0 vs. Martinez, 1-0 vs. Sabby.
>>
>> On fast HC Seles is not among the top 10 of the open era. She was a
>> top player on clay and on slow HC, though.
>
>
> It could be argued but still you have a double-flaw there, how could
> clay be Graf's worst and Seles' best surface when Monica had almost
> identical results on HC slams.
> 3 clay slams + 6 HC slams. And there are twice as many HC slams per
> year.
>
> otoh Graf won 6 FO, and when you consider there are two HC slams
> annually (and she won 4 AO + 5 USO), then she won "only" 4.5 slams
> per HC compared to her 6 FO titles on clay.
>
>
> Imo Graf was very versatile and could have ended up with different
> numbers, but these number are the way they are, they say she did have
> more succes on clay slam than on HC slams. So clay was not her worst
> surface. It was her second best actually. After grass.
>
> And, probably, it was Seles' second best as well, after slow HC.

I implore you. For your own good, don't do this.




 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 19:20:14
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 13, 5:14=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 13, 4:31=A0pm, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 13, 10:02=A0am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 13, 8:54=A0am, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 13, 2:29=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > DavidW wrote:
> > > > > > Superdave wrote:
> > > > > >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provi=
ded >
> > > > > >> wrote:
>
> > > > > >>> mimus wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
> > > > > >>>>> Raja wrote:
>
> > > > > >>>>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049=
&name=3Dtennis
>
> > > > > >>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> > > > > >>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 15:14:58
From: Raja
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 13, 4:31=A0pm, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 13, 10:02=A0am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 13, 8:54=A0am, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 13, 2:29=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > DavidW wrote:
> > > > > Superdave wrote:
> > > > >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provide=
d >
> > > > >> wrote:
>
> > > > >>> mimus wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>> Raja wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&n=
ame=3Dtennis
>
> > > > >>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> > > > >>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 14:35:17
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 12, 5:48=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&name=3Dtennis
>
> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 14:31:10
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 13, 10:02=A0am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 13, 8:54=A0am, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 13, 2:29=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > DavidW wrote:
> > > > Superdave wrote:
> > > >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> > > >>> mimus wrote:
> > > >>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
> > > >>>>> Raja wrote:
>
> > > >>>>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&nam=
e=3Dtennis
>
> > > >>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> > > >>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 12:26:48
From:
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 13, 11:31=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> ghell666 wrote:
> > I think Monica would of most defintely won Wimbledon at least x 1 or
> > x2 the years all those other clowns like Novotna etc made a showing ,
> > and Id wager she would of kicked Grafs ass at Fo every time - =A0as she
> > did before he stabbing.
>
> > Graf did not have Seles power of either wing - no one did , nor could
> > she return like her
>
> > The only reason Graf killed her at the WImbledon was bomb threats etc
> > ( even then ) and the fact she was told to tone down /s top her
> > shrieking ( almost joke compared to sharapova / willams etc now )
>
> > So no I dont agree - Seles broke her at the FO final before that
> > asshole stabbed her in an epic match ( prob still the best womens
> > match I recall seeing ) and that is why I believe Seles not Graf -
> > would of been greatest.
>
> Too much coulda/woulda. =A0The facts remain - Seles *never* beat Graf at
> Wim/USO (2 biggest tournaments), & they are 2-2 at FO. =A0Seles' only
> advantage is at AO, & the 1993 final Graf took the 1st set. =A0Seems kind=
a
> dumb to suggest Seles was greater when she never won the biggest
> tournament in tennis & only had edge over Graf at AO.
>
> Wimbledon 7 titles v 0 for Seles
> USO 5 v 2
> FO 6 v 3
> AO 4 each
>
> Coulda/woulda can't overcome that kind of chasm. =A0If Seles was remotely
> as great a player as you imply then she easily woulda won another 10
> slams when she came back at age 21.
>
> Personally I'd tip Graf to beat Seles in every match on every surface in
> every tournament. =A0Sure she wouldn't win them all for a variety of
> reasons, but she would start fave imo.

That's good logic - you would tip Graf to beat Seles in every match,
even those where Seles actually beat Graf? Tier 1 analysis ...



  
Date: 14 Feb 2009 14:00:12
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 13, 11:31 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> ghell666 wrote:
>>> I think Monica would of most defintely won Wimbledon at least x 1 or
>>> x2 the years all those other clowns like Novotna etc made a showing ,
>>> and Id wager she would of kicked Grafs ass at Fo every time - as she
>>> did before he stabbing.
>>> Graf did not have Seles power of either wing - no one did , nor could
>>> she return like her
>>> The only reason Graf killed her at the WImbledon was bomb threats etc
>>> ( even then ) and the fact she was told to tone down /s top her
>>> shrieking ( almost joke compared to sharapova / willams etc now )
>>> So no I dont agree - Seles broke her at the FO final before that
>>> asshole stabbed her in an epic match ( prob still the best womens
>>> match I recall seeing ) and that is why I believe Seles not Graf -
>>> would of been greatest.
>> Too much coulda/woulda. The facts remain - Seles *never* beat Graf at
>> Wim/USO (2 biggest tournaments), & they are 2-2 at FO. Seles' only
>> advantage is at AO, & the 1993 final Graf took the 1st set. Seems kinda
>> dumb to suggest Seles was greater when she never won the biggest
>> tournament in tennis & only had edge over Graf at AO.
>>
>> Wimbledon 7 titles v 0 for Seles
>> USO 5 v 2
>> FO 6 v 3
>> AO 4 each
>>
>> Coulda/woulda can't overcome that kind of chasm. If Seles was remotely
>> as great a player as you imply then she easily woulda won another 10
>> slams when she came back at age 21.
>>
>> Personally I'd tip Graf to beat Seles in every match on every surface in
>> every tournament. Sure she wouldn't win them all for a variety of
>> reasons, but she would start fave imo.
>
> That's good logic - you would tip Graf to beat Seles in every match,
> even those where Seles actually beat Graf? Tier 1 analysis ...
>


While I admired Seles' ability to dig in & put up a good fight, it's
clear the result always depended on how Graf executed.


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 12:25:19
From:
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 13, 8:49=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Superdave wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:14:34 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Superdave wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> mimus wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Raja wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&name=
=3Dtennis
>
> >>>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> >>>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


  
Date: 14 Feb 2009 13:58:49
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 13, 8:49 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> Superdave wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:14:34 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Superdave wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> mimus wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>>>>>>> Raja wrote:
>>>>>>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>>>>>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
>>>>>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 12:13:08
From:
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 13, 10:40=A0am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 12, 10:32=A0pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Superdave wrote:
> > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:14:34 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >> Superdave wrote:
> > >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > >>> wrote:
>
> > >>>> mimus wrote:
> > >>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> Raja wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&name=
=3Dtennis
>
> > >>>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> > >>>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 10:13:08
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 13, 3:54=A0pm, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2:29=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > DavidW wrote:
> > > Superdave wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >>> mimus wrote:
> > >>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
> > >>>>> Raja wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&name=
=3Dtennis
>
> > >>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> > >>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 10:11:30
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 13, 12:01=A0pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com > wrote:

> ...
> You know I thinks thats bs personally aboutGraf..
>
> I think Monica had her number and everyone - inlucdinggrafknew it..


When Monica was #1 pre-stabbing she was 2-3 H2H against Graf in
matches, 5-8 in sets played.
That's "having one's number" in you book ... ?


> I think Monica would of most defintely won Wimbledon at least x 1 or
> x2 the years all those other clowns like Novotna etc made a showing ,
> and Id wager she would of kicked Grafs ass at Fo every time - =A0as she
> did before he stabbing.


Yes, 10-8 in the third set is really "kicking ass" ...
BTW, as #1 Seles played Graf twice pre-stabbing on clay. Lost the
other one in 3 sets (Hamburg 1991).

> Grafdid not have Seles power of either wing - no one did , nor could
> she return like her

Funny that Graf usually hit far more winners than Seles.
In her losing FO 92 final exactly 24 more.

> The only reasonGrafkilled her at the WImbledon was bomb threats etc
> ( even then ) and the fact she was told to tone down /s top her
> shrieking ( almost joke compared to sharapova / willams etc now )

Seles didn't shriek either when she was killed 0-6 1-6 by Graf in 1990
at Wimbledon.

>
> So no I dont agree - Seles broke her at the FO final before that
> asshole stabbed her in an epic match ( prob still the best womens
> match I recall seeing ) and that is why I believe Seles notGraf-
> would of been greatest.

Because of a 10-8 in 3rd set on Seles best and Graf's worst
surface ... ?
Let me guess - you are an American?

"Max


  
Date: 14 Feb 2009 03:54:32
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
Calimero wrote:
> On Feb 13, 12:01 pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ...
>> You know I thinks thats bs personally aboutGraf..
>>
>> I think Monica had her number and everyone - inlucdinggrafknew it..
>
>
> When Monica was #1 pre-stabbing she was 2-3 H2H against Graf in
> matches, 5-8 in sets played.
> That's "having one's number" in you book ... ?

You're one nasty troll. Skewing the truth, shame on you. If now Federer
beats Nadal two times in tune-ups, would you claim that Nadal doesn't have
Fed's numbers because h2h would be in Federer's favour vs #1 Nadal, combined
that with Fed's wins vs unmatured Nadal like Miami 05?
Crap.
Seles' record vs Graf existed before the period Seles reached #1 and that
record, pre-stabbing, since Seles won her first slam, including that slam
is:

Seles 2-0 at FO, 1-0 at AO and 0-1 at Wimbledon.(!).


My truth is also the truth, but it looks different than yours, doesn't it?





> Because of a 10-8 in 3rd set on Seles best and Graf's worst
> surface ... ?
> Let me guess - you are an American?


I thhought Seles won 6 HC slams and 3 FO, 28 HC tournaments and 14 clay
tournaments?
Since there were up to twice as many HC tournaments, at best you could say
she was equally good on clay as she was on HC.




   
Date: 18 Feb 2009 07:45:48
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
*skriptis wrote:
> Calimero wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 12:01 pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> You know I thinks thats bs personally aboutGraf..
>>>
>>> I think Monica had her number and everyone - inlucdinggrafknew it..
>>
>>
>> When Monica was #1 pre-stabbing she was 2-3 H2H against Graf in
>> matches, 5-8 in sets played.
>> That's "having one's number" in you book ... ?
>
> You're one nasty troll. Skewing the truth, shame on you. If now
> Federer beats Nadal two times in tune-ups, would you claim that Nadal
> doesn't have Fed's numbers because h2h would be in Federer's favour
> vs #1 Nadal, combined that with Fed's wins vs unmatured Nadal like
> Miami 05? Crap.
> Seles' record vs Graf existed before the period Seles reached #1 and that
> record, pre-stabbing, since Seles won her first slam, including
> that slam is:
>
> Seles 2-0 at FO, 1-0 at AO and 0-1 at Wimbledon.(!).
>
>
> My truth is also the truth, but it looks different than yours,
> doesn't it?
>
>
>
>
>> Because of a 10-8 in 3rd set on Seles best and Graf's worst
>> surface ... ?
>> Let me guess - you are an American?
>
>
> I thhought Seles won 6 HC slams and 3 FO, 28 HC tournaments and 14
> clay tournaments?
> Since there were up to twice as many HC tournaments, at best you
> could say she was equally good on clay as she was on HC.

Don't tackle Max on this stuff. Everyone who does always ends up looking
foolish.




    
Date: 17 Feb 2009 22:02:34
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
DavidW wrote:
> *skriptis wrote:
>> Calimero wrote:
>>> On Feb 13, 12:01 pm, ghell666 <matt.tip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> You know I thinks thats bs personally aboutGraf..
>>>>
>>>> I think Monica had her number and everyone - inlucdinggrafknew it..
>>>
>>>
>>> When Monica was #1 pre-stabbing she was 2-3 H2H against Graf in
>>> matches, 5-8 in sets played.
>>> That's "having one's number" in you book ... ?
>>
>> You're one nasty troll. Skewing the truth, shame on you. If now
>> Federer beats Nadal two times in tune-ups, would you claim that Nadal
>> doesn't have Fed's numbers because h2h would be in Federer's favour
>> vs #1 Nadal, combined that with Fed's wins vs unmatured Nadal like
>> Miami 05? Crap.
>> Seles' record vs Graf existed before the period Seles reached #1 and
>> that record, pre-stabbing, since Seles won her first slam, including
>> that slam is:
>>
>> Seles 2-0 at FO, 1-0 at AO and 0-1 at Wimbledon.(!).
>>
>>
>> My truth is also the truth, but it looks different than yours,
>> doesn't it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Because of a 10-8 in 3rd set on Seles best and Graf's worst
>>> surface ... ?
>>> Let me guess - you are an American?
>>
>>
>> I thhought Seles won 6 HC slams and 3 FO, 28 HC tournaments and 14
>> clay tournaments?
>> Since there were up to twice as many HC tournaments, at best you
>> could say she was equally good on clay as she was on HC.
>
> Don't tackle Max on this stuff. Everyone who does always ends up
> looking foolish.


I didn't know, I am sorry I made a fool out of him.




 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 08:02:27
From:
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 13, 8:54=A0am, "Rodjk #613" <rjka...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2:29=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > DavidW wrote:
> > > Superdave wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >>> mimus wrote:
> > >>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
> > >>>>> Raja wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&name=
=3Dtennis
>
> > >>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> > >>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 07:41:18
From:
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 13, 2:49=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Superdave wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:14:34 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Superdave wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> mimus wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Raja wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&name=
=3Dtennis
>
> >>>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> >>>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 07:40:45
From:
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 12, 10:32=A0pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided > wrote:
> Superdave wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:14:34 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Superdave wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> mimus wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Raja wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&name=
=3Dtennis
>
> >>>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> >>>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 06:54:13
From: Rodjk #613
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 13, 2:29=A0am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> DavidW wrote:
> > Superdave wrote:
> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> mimus wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
> >>>>> Raja wrote:
>
> >>>>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&name=3D=
tennis
>
> >>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> >>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 07:53:50
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
Rodjk #613 wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2:29 am, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> DavidW wrote:
>>> Superdave wrote:
>>>> steffi was the greatest tennis player ever. male or female.
>>
>>> Wow. Is that really you, Hazel?
>>
>> He's probably right. She's the only player who was always a legit
>> shot at calendar slam every yr & won big number of slams on all
>> surfaces. She also has the biggest 7543 score of all time.
>>
>> If she had Henin's bh & MN's net game she woulda been perfection.
>
> She had a decent topspin backhand, she just would not use it.

She used it quite a lot. She hit countless TSBH passing shots. She just didn't
use it as an ordinary rallying shot much.




 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 06:22:26
From:
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova

>
> steffi was the greatest tennis player ever. male or female.


True.


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 05:59:39
From:
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Feb 12, 6:48=A0pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3D3900049&name=3Dtennis
>
> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


  
Date: 13 Feb 2009 17:50:28
From: mimus
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:59:39 -0800, Arancione wrote:

> On Feb 12, 6:48 pm, Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>>
>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009
>> Posted by Tom Perrotta, TENNIS.com
>>
>> Perhaps you're not the biggest fan of Maria Sharapova. Her game lacks
>> variety, you say, and she isn't exactly graceful. You think she plays
>> too slowly, that she has no touch, no subtlety and, worst of all, no
>> regard for your eardrums. These are all fair criticisms, yet I'm
>> guessing that even you would admit -- painful as it might be -- that
>> tennis is not the same without Maria.
>>
>> You thought those shrieks were loud? Well, now it's too quiet, even
>> dull. You didn't like the icy stare? Well, it beats the scared looks
>> you see these days. You thought Sharapova's bash, bash, bash approach
>> was boring? Without her, the whole sport is boring, because no woman
>> not named Williams believes she can win.
>>
>> I've never enjoyed Sharapova's tennis. If I want to watch power ball,
>> I much prefer the Williams sisters, who play it with more conviction
>> and verve. If I want artistry, well, no one tops the (sadly) retired
>> Justine Henin.
>>
>> While in Melbourne for the Australian Open, though, I quickly came to
>> realize that I badly missed Sharapova's spirit, her toughness and her
>> tenacity. Of all the talented women tennis players who hail from
>> Russia -- and the list is too long to publish here -- Sharapova is the
>> only one who can be called a champion. The rest of the Russians, and
>> perhaps the rest of the women's field (save for the Williams sisters),
>> are merely very good, and that's not good enough for a sport to
>> succeed in the long term. Sharapova might not unseat Serena from the
>> No. 1 ranking, either, but at least she'll die trying.
>>
>> We won't see Sharapova on a tennis court again until next month at the
>> earliest, and perhaps later, as she continues to recover from shoulder
>> surgery. (On her Web site, she says she is "aiming" for a return in
>> Palm Springs or Miami, two of the largest tournaments outside the four
>> majors.) Shoulder injuries have ended many a tennis career; let's hope
>> that's not the case here.
>>
>> As it is, Sharapova will have a difficult time regaining the form that
>> won her the Australian Open in 2008. Back then, she looked truly ready
>> -- after years of false impressions -- to dominate the sport, to set
>> the standard for the rest of the field. It might be a year or more
>> before Sharapova regains the strength and power of concentration to
>> play like that again. The sooner she does, the better off the women's
>> game will be.
>
> Agree.

Disagree to some extent. I like her game. And the shrieks. As well as
the competition with and for Serena (about the only such out there,
indeed). And, BTW, and IIRC, she's the Endorsement Queen hands-down . . . .

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.



 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 03:01:24
From: ghell666
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On 13 Feb, 08:49, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> Superdave wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:14:34 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Superdave wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> mimus wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Raja wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>
> >>>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> >>>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 07:50:56
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
ghell666 wrote:
>
> The only reason Graf killed her at the WImbledon was bomb threats etc
> ( even then ) and the fact she was told to tone down /s top her
> shrieking ( almost joke compared to sharapova / willams etc now )

Graf didn't shriek/grunt in that match either. Same for both players.




  
Date: 13 Feb 2009 22:31:24
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
ghell666 wrote:
> I think Monica would of most defintely won Wimbledon at least x 1 or
> x2 the years all those other clowns like Novotna etc made a showing ,
> and Id wager she would of kicked Grafs ass at Fo every time - as she
> did before he stabbing.
>
> Graf did not have Seles power of either wing - no one did , nor could
> she return like her
>
> The only reason Graf killed her at the WImbledon was bomb threats etc
> ( even then ) and the fact she was told to tone down /s top her
> shrieking ( almost joke compared to sharapova / willams etc now )
>
> So no I dont agree - Seles broke her at the FO final before that
> asshole stabbed her in an epic match ( prob still the best womens
> match I recall seeing ) and that is why I believe Seles not Graf -
> would of been greatest.
>
>
>


Too much coulda/woulda. The facts remain - Seles *never* beat Graf at
Wim/USO (2 biggest tournaments), & they are 2-2 at FO. Seles' only
advantage is at AO, & the 1993 final Graf took the 1st set. Seems kinda
dumb to suggest Seles was greater when she never won the biggest
tournament in tennis & only had edge over Graf at AO.

Wimbledon 7 titles v 0 for Seles
USO 5 v 2
FO 6 v 3
AO 4 each

Coulda/woulda can't overcome that kind of chasm. If Seles was remotely
as great a player as you imply then she easily woulda won another 10
slams when she came back at age 21.

Personally I'd tip Graf to beat Seles in every match on every surface in
every tournament. Sure she wouldn't win them all for a variety of
reasons, but she would start fave imo.









 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
Raja wrote:
> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>
>
> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


  
Date: 12 Feb 2009 20:27:49
From: mimus
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:

> Raja wrote:
>
>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>>
>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


   
Date: 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
mimus wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>
>> Raja wrote:
>>
>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>>>
>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


    
Date: 13 Feb 2009 02:09:49
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>mimus wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>
>>> Raja wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>>>>
>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


     
Date: 13 Feb 2009 13:14:34
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
Superdave wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> mimus wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>>
>>>> Raja wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>>>>>
>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


      
Date: 13 Feb 2009 19:29:02
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
DavidW wrote:
> Superdave wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> mimus wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Raja wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
>>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


      
Date: 13 Feb 2009 03:59:21
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:14:34 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>Superdave wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> mimus wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Raja wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
>>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


       
Date: 13 Feb 2009 19:49:35
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
Superdave wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:14:34 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> Superdave wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> mimus wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Raja wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
>>>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


       
Date: 13 Feb 2009 15:32:46
From: DavidW
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
Superdave wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:14:34 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
> wrote:
>
>> Superdave wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> mimus wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Raja wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
>>>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009


        
Date: 13 Feb 2009 14:29:14
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:32:46 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided >
wrote:

>Superdave wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:14:34 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Superdave wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:04:06 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> mimus wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:18 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Raja wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3900049&name=tennis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WTA not the same without the shrieking Sharapova
>>>>>>>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009