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Date: 21 Feb 2009 11:33:32
From: *skriptis
Subject: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that. He just
sends a "political" message.

http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html


He should be sanctioned.

For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray got for
his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason. Counting "0" for this
tournament under his "optionals".

Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political agenda. I
am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be severly punished.







 
Date: 21 Feb 2009 17:35:23
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?

On 21-Feb-2009, "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

> He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that. He just
>
> sends a "political" message.
>
> http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>
>
> He should be sanctioned.
>
> For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray got for
> his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason. Counting "0" for this
>
> tournament under his "optionals".
>
> Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political agenda. I
>
> am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be severly punished.

Wait, is Roddick making a political statement? Or is he merely making a
statement that politics and sports shouldn't mix?


  
Date: 21 Feb 2009 10:06:38
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
On Feb 21, 10:35=A0pm, "jdeluise" <jdelu...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> Wait, is Roddick making a political statement? =A0Or is he merely making =
a
> statement that politics and sports shouldn't mix?

Roddick is mixing politics and sports by sporting a political
protest against the mixing of politics and sports.


 
Date: 21 Feb 2009 15:27:01
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:33:32 +0100, "*skriptis"
<skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote:

>He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that. He just
>sends a "political" message.
>
>http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>
>
>He should be sanctioned.
>
>For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray got for
>his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason. Counting "0" for this
>tournament under his "optionals".
>
>Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political agenda. I
>am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be severly punished.
>


How can they sanction Pete's successor and a 12+ slam champion in
waiting ?


 
Date: 21 Feb 2009 03:26:42
From: Alaska Rocks
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
On Feb 21, 11:33=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that. He jus=
t
> sends a "political" message.
>
> http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>
> He should be sanctioned.
>
> For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray got for
> his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason. Counting "0" for thi=
s
> tournament under his "optionals".
>
> Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political agenda. =
I
> am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be severly punished=
.

I agree that he should be sanctioned for late withdrawal but not for
making a political statement.

It is his right to protest one Jewish tennis player missing one
tournament and speak not one word about the hundreds of Palestinian
children slaughtered by Israel. He has every right to that.

I do not respect him for his one sided position but that is his right.





  
Date: 21 Feb 2009 08:41:43
From: Alaska Rocks
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
On Feb 21, 12:26=A0pm, Alaska Rocks <Turnagain...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 21, 11:33=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>
> > He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that. He j=
ust
> > sends a "political" message.
>
> >http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>
> > He should be sanctioned.
>
> > For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray got f=
or
> > his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason. Counting "0" for t=
his
> > tournament under his "optionals".
>
> > Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political agenda=
. I
> > am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be severly punish=
ed.
>
> I agree that he should be sanctioned for late withdrawal but not for
> making a political statement.
>
> It is his right to protest one Jewish tennis player missing one
> tournament and speak not one word about the hundreds of Palestinian
> children slaughtered by Israel. He has every right to that.
>
> I do not respect him for his one sided position but that is his right.

On second thought, why sanction Roddick? Federer punishes him more
than any man deserves to be punished :)))


  
Date: 21 Feb 2009 12:40:12
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
Alaska Rocks wrote:
> On Feb 21, 11:33 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that.
>> He just sends a "political" message.
>>
>> http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>>
>> He should be sanctioned.
>>
>> For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray
>> got for his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason.
>> Counting "0" for this tournament under his "optionals".
>>
>> Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political
>> agenda. I am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be
>> severly punished.
>
> I agree that he should be sanctioned for late withdrawal but not for
> making a political statement.
>
> It is his right to protest one Jewish tennis player missing one
> tournament and speak not one word about the hundreds of Palestinian
> children slaughtered by Israel. He has every right to that.
>
> I do not respect him for his one sided position but that is his right.


OK, fair enough. :)




 
Date: 21 Feb 2009 21:51:52
From: sdf
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?

"*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr > wrote in message
news:gnol9u$i71$1@ss408.t-com.hr...
> He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that. He just
> sends a "political" message.
>
> http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>
>
> He should be sanctioned.
>
> For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray got for
> his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason. Counting "0" for this
> tournament under his "optionals".
>
> Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political agenda. I
> am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be severly punished.
>
>
Roddick should be applauded. You should be repeatedly ass-fucked.




  
Date: 21 Feb 2009 03:27:35
From: Bink B
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
sdf wrote:
> "*skriptis" <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote in message
> news:gnol9u$i71$1@ss408.t-com.hr...
>> He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that. He just
>> sends a "political" message.
>>
>> http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>>
>>
>> He should be sanctioned.
>>
>> For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray got for
>> his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason. Counting "0" for this
>> tournament under his "optionals".
>>
>> Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political agenda. I
>> am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be severly punished.
>>
>>
> Roddick should be applauded. You should be repeatedly ass-fucked.
>
>

Yes per the rules Roddick should be punished as would any other player.
He should also be applauded and cheered.


 
Date: 21 Feb 2009 02:47:18
From:
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
On Feb 21, 10:33=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that. He jus=
t
> sends a "political" message.
>
> http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>
> He should be sanctioned.
>
> For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray got for
> his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason. Counting "0" for thi=
s
> tournament under his "optionals".
>

I guess that's what will happen - it certainly should if that's what
the rules are.

> Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political agenda. =
I
> am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be severly punished=
.

Why? Roddick should be punished for pulling out of the tournament
without a valid reason and that's it. You can't suddenly come up with
other punishments because of the reasons why he withdrew.


  
Date: 21 Feb 2009 10:18:30
From: ahonkan
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
On Feb 21, 4:37=A0pm, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 21, 11:07 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Feb 21, 10:50 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Feb 21, 10:33 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >>>>>> He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like
> >>>>>> that. He just sends a "political" message.
>
> >>>>>>http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>
> >>>>>> He should be sanctioned.
>
> >>>>>> For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray
> >>>>>> got for his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason.
> >>>>>> Counting "0" for this tournament under his "optionals".
>
> >>>>> I guess that's what will happen - it certainly should if that's
> >>>>> what the rules are.
>
> >>>>>> Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political
> >>>>>> agenda. I am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should
> >>>>>> be severly punished.
>
> >>>>> Why? Roddick should be punished for pulling out of the tournament
> >>>>> without a valid reason and that's it. You can't suddenly come up
> >>>>> with other punishments because of the reasons why he withdrew.
>
> >>>> Really?
> >>>> Why was then Serbian swimmer punished for wearing a T-shirt with
> >>>> "Kosovo is Serbia" on it?
>
> >>>> No place for politics in the sport, isn't that the rule?
>
> >>> Which rule are you talking about? Please post a link to the
> >>> appropriate rule in the ATP rules which states this.
>
> >> LEN, European swimming governing body sanctioned Cavic. I only
> >> assumed ATP, being also world-class assosiation would have a similar
> >> rule that forbids similar stuff.
>
> >> If it doesn't, fine.
>
> >>>> Roddick's motives are certainly political in this one.
>
> >>> Er, obviously.
>
> >> Well no doubt about that then, it's just a matter whether ATP has
> >> rules for things like this.
>
> > I doubt that Roddick would be sanctioned. The WTA has just fined Dubai
> > $300,000 for the Peer incident and is reviewing their relationship
> > with them. The ATP might have had to do the same thing if Ram had been
> > denied a visa. It would be a bad decision for the ATP to punish
> > Roddick further when the ATP would be under pressure itself to take
> > action against Dubai.
>
> I wasn't much into Peer discussion, don't know all the details. I believe=
,
> technically it was UAE officials who denied Peer a visa, the Dubai
> tournament had nothing to do with it?
> So I don't know under what rules can WTA punish the Dubai tournament, onl=
y
> maybe review their relationship, and don't get me wrong they should
> certainly do something.
> But as I said, tehnically Dubai tournament had nothing to do with it, eve=
n
> though they might have known/participated in that. I think that was their
> explanation.
>
> Anyway, WTA should be dealing with Dubai, that's fine. No further disscus=
ion
> needed on that one.
>
> Back to the topic, Roddick's actions are politically motivated and I just
> have a feeling ATP would have fined Djokovic if he had done the same as
> Cavic, just as LEN fined him.
> And they're letting Roddick to make political statements. Or is yet to be
> seen.

I rarely agree with you on tennis matters, but do on this one.
The Dubai tournaments are advertised as 'Under the patronage of
H.H.
Sheikh Mohammad bin Rashid Al Maktoum, V.P. & P.M. of UAE &
Ruler of Dubai', so there's no place for the event organizers to
hide.

I find this Roddick protest incomprehensible, given that the men's
event
has given in to int'l pressure and given Andy Ram a visa. The WTA
have also
fined Dubai organizers heavily and put them on notice for next
year.


  
Date: 21 Feb 2009 03:23:52
From:
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
On Feb 21, 11:07=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 21, 10:50 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Feb 21, 10:33 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >>>> He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that.
> >>>> He just sends a "political" message.
>
> >>>>http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>
> >>>> He should be sanctioned.
>
> >>>> For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray
> >>>> got for his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason.
> >>>> Counting "0" for this tournament under his "optionals".
>
> >>> I guess that's what will happen - it certainly should if that's what
> >>> the rules are.
>
> >>>> Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political
> >>>> agenda. I am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be
> >>>> severly punished.
>
> >>> Why? Roddick should be punished for pulling out of the tournament
> >>> without a valid reason and that's it. You can't suddenly come up
> >>> with other punishments because of the reasons why he withdrew.
>
> >> Really?
> >> Why was then Serbian swimmer punished for wearing a T-shirt with
> >> "Kosovo is Serbia" on it?
>
> >> No place for politics in the sport, isn't that the rule?
>
> > Which rule are you talking about? Please post a link to the
> > appropriate rule in the ATP rules which states this.
>
> LEN, European swimming governing body sanctioned Cavic. I only assumed AT=
P,
> being also world-class assosiation would have a similar rule that forbids
> similar stuff.
>
> If it doesn't, fine.
>
> >> Roddick's motives are certainly political in this one.
>
> > Er, obviously.
>
> Well no doubt about that then, it's just a matter whether ATP has rules f=
or
> things like this.

I doubt that Roddick would be sanctioned. The WTA has just fined Dubai
$300,000 for the Peer incident and is reviewing their relationship
with them. The ATP might have had to do the same thing if Ram had been
denied a visa. It would be a bad decision for the ATP to punish
Roddick further when the ATP would be under pressure itself to take
action against Dubai.







   
Date: 21 Feb 2009 12:37:57
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 21, 11:07 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Feb 21, 10:50 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 21, 10:33 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>>>> He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like
>>>>>> that. He just sends a "political" message.
>>
>>>>>> http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>>
>>>>>> He should be sanctioned.
>>
>>>>>> For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray
>>>>>> got for his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason.
>>>>>> Counting "0" for this tournament under his "optionals".
>>
>>>>> I guess that's what will happen - it certainly should if that's
>>>>> what the rules are.
>>
>>>>>> Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political
>>>>>> agenda. I am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should
>>>>>> be severly punished.
>>
>>>>> Why? Roddick should be punished for pulling out of the tournament
>>>>> without a valid reason and that's it. You can't suddenly come up
>>>>> with other punishments because of the reasons why he withdrew.
>>
>>>> Really?
>>>> Why was then Serbian swimmer punished for wearing a T-shirt with
>>>> "Kosovo is Serbia" on it?
>>
>>>> No place for politics in the sport, isn't that the rule?
>>
>>> Which rule are you talking about? Please post a link to the
>>> appropriate rule in the ATP rules which states this.
>>
>> LEN, European swimming governing body sanctioned Cavic. I only
>> assumed ATP, being also world-class assosiation would have a similar
>> rule that forbids similar stuff.
>>
>> If it doesn't, fine.
>>
>>>> Roddick's motives are certainly political in this one.
>>
>>> Er, obviously.
>>
>> Well no doubt about that then, it's just a matter whether ATP has
>> rules for things like this.
>
> I doubt that Roddick would be sanctioned. The WTA has just fined Dubai
> $300,000 for the Peer incident and is reviewing their relationship
> with them. The ATP might have had to do the same thing if Ram had been
> denied a visa. It would be a bad decision for the ATP to punish
> Roddick further when the ATP would be under pressure itself to take
> action against Dubai.


I wasn't much into Peer discussion, don't know all the details. I believe,
technically it was UAE officials who denied Peer a visa, the Dubai
tournament had nothing to do with it?
So I don't know under what rules can WTA punish the Dubai tournament, only
maybe review their relationship, and don't get me wrong they should
certainly do something.
But as I said, tehnically Dubai tournament had nothing to do with it, even
though they might have known/participated in that. I think that was their
explanation.

Anyway, WTA should be dealing with Dubai, that's fine. No further disscusion
needed on that one.


Back to the topic, Roddick's actions are politically motivated and I just
have a feeling ATP would have fined Djokovic if he had done the same as
Cavic, just as LEN fined him.
And they're letting Roddick to make political statements. Or is yet to be
seen.





  
Date: 21 Feb 2009 02:59:17
From:
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
On Feb 21, 10:50=A0am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 21, 10:33 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
> >> He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that.
> >> He just sends a "political" message.
>
> >>http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>
> >> He should be sanctioned.
>
> >> For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray
> >> got for his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason.
> >> Counting "0" for this tournament under his "optionals".
>
> > I guess that's what will happen - it certainly should if that's what
> > the rules are.
>
> >> Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political
> >> agenda. I am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be
> >> severly punished.
>
> > Why? Roddick should be punished for pulling out of the tournament
> > without a valid reason and that's it. You can't suddenly come up with
> > other punishments because of the reasons why he withdrew.
>
> Really?
> Why was then Serbian swimmer punished for wearing a T-shirt with "Kosovo =
is
> Serbia" on it?
>
> No place for politics in the sport, isn't that the rule?

Which rule are you talking about? Please post a link to the
appropriate rule in the ATP rules which states this.

>
> Roddick's motives are certainly political in this one.

Er, obviously.



   
Date: 21 Feb 2009 12:07:14
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 21, 10:50 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Feb 21, 10:33 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>>>> He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that.
>>>> He just sends a "political" message.
>>
>>>> http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>>
>>>> He should be sanctioned.
>>
>>>> For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray
>>>> got for his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason.
>>>> Counting "0" for this tournament under his "optionals".
>>
>>> I guess that's what will happen - it certainly should if that's what
>>> the rules are.
>>
>>>> Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political
>>>> agenda. I am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be
>>>> severly punished.
>>
>>> Why? Roddick should be punished for pulling out of the tournament
>>> without a valid reason and that's it. You can't suddenly come up
>>> with other punishments because of the reasons why he withdrew.
>>
>> Really?
>> Why was then Serbian swimmer punished for wearing a T-shirt with
>> "Kosovo is Serbia" on it?
>>
>> No place for politics in the sport, isn't that the rule?
>
> Which rule are you talking about? Please post a link to the
> appropriate rule in the ATP rules which states this.


LEN, European swimming governing body sanctioned Cavic. I only assumed ATP,
being also world-class assosiation would have a similar rule that forbids
similar stuff.

If it doesn't, fine.




>> Roddick's motives are certainly political in this one.
>
> Er, obviously.


Well no doubt about that then, it's just a matter whether ATP has rules for
things like this.




  
Date: 21 Feb 2009 11:50:02
From: *skriptis
Subject: Re: Will Roddick be sanctioned by ATP?
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 21, 10:33 am, "*skriptis" <skrip...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
>> He pulls out of Dubai and he's not injured or something like that.
>> He just sends a "political" message.
>>
>> http://cbs2.com/sports/andy.roddick.shahar.2.940302.html
>>
>> He should be sanctioned.
>>
>> For late withdrawal, he should recieve the same punishment Murray
>> got for his late withdrawal from Indianapolis for no reason.
>> Counting "0" for this tournament under his "optionals".
>>
>
> I guess that's what will happen - it certainly should if that's what
> the rules are.
>
>> Other part of the punishment should be for engaging in political
>> agenda. I am not sure how to punish him for that, but it should be
>> severly punished.
>
> Why? Roddick should be punished for pulling out of the tournament
> without a valid reason and that's it. You can't suddenly come up with
> other punishments because of the reasons why he withdrew.


Really?
Why was then Serbian swimmer punished for wearing a T-shirt with "Kosovo is
Serbia" on it?

No place for politics in the sport, isn't that the rule?

Roddick's motives are certainly political in this one.