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Date: 26 Jan 2009 08:08:06
From: stephenj
Subject: another big break for Nadal ...
Murray out.



--
When the facts change,
one's opinion ought to change.

- John Maynard Keynes




 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 01:44:54
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
stephenj wrote:
> Murray out.
>
>
>


Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
hours to get here.


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 18:39:40
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...

On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote:

> stephenj wrote:
> > Murray out.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
> hours to get here.

So even Tier 1 analysts confuse a measure of distance with a measure of
time?


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:23:26
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
jdeluise wrote:
> On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> stephenj wrote:
>>> Murray out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
>> hours to get here.
>
> So even Tier 1 analysts confuse a measure of distance with a measure of
> time?


It's a measure of both.



    
Date: 27 Jan 2009 15:02:56
From: Javier Gonzalez
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote:
> jdeluise wrote:
>> On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> stephenj wrote:
>>>> Murray out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
>>> hours to get here.
>>
>> So even Tier 1 analysts confuse a measure of distance with a measure of
>> time?
>
> It's a measure of both.

ROFLMAO!


     
Date: 27 Jan 2009 21:17:00
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...

On 27-Jan-2009, Javier Gonzalez <ja.gon.zal@gmmmmail.com > wrote:

> Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > jdeluise wrote:
> >> On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>> stephenj wrote:
> >>>> Murray out.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
> >>> hours to get here.
> >>
> >> So even Tier 1 analysts confuse a measure of distance with a measure of
> >> time?
> >
> > It's a measure of both.
>
> ROFLMAO!

If you think that's funny, wait until you hear his explanation. I'm sure he
has something, and I can already imagine what it is.


     
Date: 27 Jan 2009 18:23:05
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
Javier Gonzalez wrote:
> Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> jdeluise wrote:
>>> On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> stephenj wrote:
>>>>> Murray out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
>>>> hours to get here.
>>> So even Tier 1 analysts confuse a measure of distance with a measure of
>>> time?
>> It's a measure of both.
>
> ROFLMAO!

Whisper missed those units in school and doesn't deal well with abstract
concepts.

Also, please don't laugh at lesser mortals so vigorously. You might hurt
yourself.

--
Cheers,

vc


    
Date: 27 Jan 2009 17:24:32
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...

On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote:

> jdeluise wrote:
> > On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> stephenj wrote:
> >>> Murray out.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
> >> hours to get here.
> >
> > So even Tier 1 analysts confuse a measure of distance with a measure of
> > time?
>
>
> It's a measure of both.

I thought that your original post was an attempt at humor, and almost didn't
say anything (I didn't mention, for instance, that Mars isn't even one light
hour away from Earth at maximum), but knowing you are serious is even
better! I suggest you stick to subjective tennis arguments so you don't
follow down the path of Dr. Groundaxe and embarrass yourself any further.


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 19:49:09
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
jdeluise wrote:
> On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> stephenj wrote:
>>> Murray out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
>> hours to get here.
>
> So even Tier 1 analysts confuse a measure of distance with a measure of
> time?

How dare you make fun of someone who thinks he is smarter than Einstein?
:-D

--
Cheers,

vc


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 21:40:02
From: TT
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
jdeluise wrote:
> On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> stephenj wrote:
>>> Murray out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
>> hours to get here.
>
> So even Tier 1 analysts confuse a measure of distance with a measure of
> time?

I bet Whisper can make Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


    
Date: 27 Jan 2009 18:07:13
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...

On 26-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

> jdeluise wrote:
> > On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> stephenj wrote:
> >>> Murray out.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
> >> hours to get here.
> >
> > So even Tier 1 analysts confuse a measure of distance with a measure of
> > time?
>
> I bet Whisper can make Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs.

I'm not much into Star Wars lore, but did they ever describe what that is
exactly? It seems like it could be an accurate statement if it is something
other than a race, right?


     
Date: 27 Jan 2009 22:35:05
From: TT
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
jdeluise wrote:
> On 26-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>> jdeluise wrote:
>>> On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> stephenj wrote:
>>>>> Murray out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
>>>> hours to get here.
>>> So even Tier 1 analysts confuse a measure of distance with a measure of
>>> time?
>> I bet Whisper can make Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs.
>
> I'm not much into Star Wars lore, but did they ever describe what that is
> exactly? It seems like it could be an accurate statement if it is something
> other than a race, right?

One gets an impression that indeed "Kesel run" is a race and parsec
would measure time...However parsec is actually a measure of
distance...wait a second while I look it at wiki...3.26 light years.

...So obviously that's a slight error from Lucas. Of course Star Wars
fanatics have some explanations to what it really means but I've never
bothered to read them since it's an obvious and honest mistake as I see it.

Parsec comes from astronomy, PARallax SECond...the distance to a star of
one arcsecond measuring from half of Earth's parallax...or something
like that...This is how distance of far away stars has been measured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stellarparallax_parsec1.svg


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


      
Date: 27 Jan 2009 21:00:16
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...

On 27-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org > wrote:

> jdeluise wrote:
> > On 26-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
> >
> >> jdeluise wrote:
> >>> On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> stephenj wrote:
> >>>>> Murray out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
> >>>> hours to get here.
> >>> So even Tier 1 analysts confuse a measure of distance with a measure
> >>> of
> >>> time?
> >> I bet Whisper can make Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs.
> >
> > I'm not much into Star Wars lore, but did they ever describe what that
> > is
> > exactly? It seems like it could be an accurate statement if it is
> > something
> > other than a race, right?
>
> One gets an impression that indeed "Kesel run" is a race and parsec
> would measure time...However parsec is actually a measure of
> distance...wait a second while I look it at wiki...3.26 light years.
>
> ...So obviously that's a slight error from Lucas. Of course Star Wars
> fanatics have some explanations to what it really means but I've never
> bothered to read them since it's an obvious and honest mistake as I see
> it.
>
> Parsec comes from astronomy, PARallax SECond...the distance to a star of
> one arcsecond measuring from half of Earth's parallax...or something
> like that...This is how distance of far away stars has been measured.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stellarparallax_parsec1.svg

I know that parsec is a unit of distance. What I was getting at is that if
we don't know what exactly the Kessel Run is how can we say he was wrong?
There were far worse screamers in Star Wars, astronomically speaking, than
that flub though. On top of that, since this took place in a galaxy far,
far away how do we know that something wasn't lost in translation? ;)


       
Date: 28 Jan 2009 00:08:21
From: TT
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
jdeluise wrote:
> On 27-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>
>> jdeluise wrote:
>>> On 26-Jan-2009, TT <gold@Olympics.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jdeluise wrote:
>>>>> On 26-Jan-2009, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> stephenj wrote:
>>>>>>> Murray out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
>>>>>> hours to get here.
>>>>> So even Tier 1 analysts confuse a measure of distance with a measure
>>>>> of
>>>>> time?
>>>> I bet Whisper can make Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs.
>>> I'm not much into Star Wars lore, but did they ever describe what that
>>> is
>>> exactly? It seems like it could be an accurate statement if it is
>>> something
>>> other than a race, right?
>> One gets an impression that indeed "Kesel run" is a race and parsec
>> would measure time...However parsec is actually a measure of
>> distance...wait a second while I look it at wiki...3.26 light years.
>>
>> ...So obviously that's a slight error from Lucas. Of course Star Wars
>> fanatics have some explanations to what it really means but I've never
>> bothered to read them since it's an obvious and honest mistake as I see
>> it.
>>
>> Parsec comes from astronomy, PARallax SECond...the distance to a star of
>> one arcsecond measuring from half of Earth's parallax...or something
>> like that...This is how distance of far away stars has been measured.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stellarparallax_parsec1.svg
>
> I know that parsec is a unit of distance. What I was getting at is that if
> we don't know what exactly the Kessel Run is how can we say he was wrong?

Yup, if Kessel run is like Cooper's test Solo's 12 parsecs could be a
significant record even though he downplays it...

But never underestimate power of the Star Wars nerdom...I googled Kessel
run and found this genius explanation: :)

"Han Solo claimed that his Millennium Falcon "made the Kessel Run in
less than twelve parsecs". A parsec is a unit of distance, not time.
Solo was not referring directly to his ship's speed when he made this
claim. Instead, he was referring to the shorter route he was able to
travel by skirting the nearby Maw black hole cluster, thus making the
run in under the standard distance, he may have indirectly referred to
the speed of his ship here because to be able to go closer to black hole
and still be able to get out of its gravitational pull you will need to
be able to go faster. However, parsec relates to time in that a shorter
distance equals a shorter time at the same speed. By moving closer to
the black holes, Solo managed to cut the distance down to about 11.5
parsecs. The smuggler, BoShek, actually beat Solo's record in his ship,
Infinity, but without cargo to weigh him down.

A few months later, Han Solo beat both his own and BoShek's records in a
run he made with Luke Skywalker."

...same article, interesting background info:

""Kessel" means "kettle" or "cauldron" in German, and is used to
describe a "pocket of encircled military units". The Kessel Run most
likely gets its name from the real "Kessel runs" that took place in
World War II, during the Soviet counter-offensive in the Battle of
Stalingrad. During Operation Uranus, the Soviet army managed to encircle
about 250 000 soldiers, primarily Germans and Romanians. To aid the
units trapped inside this pocket, the Luftwaffe tried to create an
"air-bridge" to supply the besieged army. However, the relief effort met
with disaster, as a lack of available aircraft, heavy Soviet
anti-aircraft fire and Soviet interceptors made the "Kessel runs"
unsuccessful."


> There were far worse screamers in Star Wars, astronomically speaking, than
> that flub though.

Such as?



  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 09:04:44
From:
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
On Jan 26, 2:47=A0pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com > wrote:
> Whisper wrote:
> > stephenj wrote:
> >> Murray out.
>
> > Are you posting from Mars? =A0Seems your posts are taking a few light
> > hours to get here.
>
> yes, actually. :)

On Mars is Agassi the GOAT?

:-)





  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 15:03:46
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:44:54 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:

>stephenj wrote:
>> Murray out.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
>hours to get here.


why do you live on nanu nanu with mork ? oh yeah it's whisper !


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 08:47:02
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
Whisper wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>> Murray out.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Are you posting from Mars? Seems your posts are taking a few light
> hours to get here.

yes, actually. :)



--
The Constitution does not prohibit legislatures from
enacting stupid laws.

- Thurgood Marshall


 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 06:11:29
From: Scott
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
On Jan 26, 9:08=A0am, stephenj <s...@cox.com > wrote:
> Murray out.
>

Nadal has to beat Simon and probably Tsonga, though. this might be
tougher than Roger having to beat Del Potro and the Djoko/Roddick
winner.



  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 06:42:32
From: PeteWasLucky
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
On Jan 26, 9:36=A0am, "grif" <griffin_...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "PeteWasLucky" <Waleed.Kh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1771a716-ff54-44ef-b980-a0bf35194312@v18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 26, 9:23 am, "grif" <griffin_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In his match against Sela, Tsonga was leaving craters on the court from
> > his
> > forehand bombs. But I heard him say, last week or so, that he had to
> > modify
> > his serve, because of his injured back.
>
> "Is it a weak serve now?"
>
> Well he didn't get that many aces against Sela and it probably affects hi=
s
> 2nd serve more if he's still injured.

His serve seems to be descent. Did you see this:
http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/scores/stats/day13/1404dss.html

Very cool


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 14:46:21
From: grif
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...

"PeteWasLucky" <Waleed.Khedr@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:c808fe41-5c4d-4f5d-ae9e-6b66a314b667@p2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 26, 9:36 am, "grif" <griffin_...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "PeteWasLucky" <Waleed.Kh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1771a716-ff54-44ef-b980-a0bf35194312@v18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 26, 9:23 am, "grif" <griffin_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In his match against Sela, Tsonga was leaving craters on the court from
> > his
> > forehand bombs. But I heard him say, last week or so, that he had to
> > modify
> > his serve, because of his injured back.
>
> "Is it a weak serve now?"
>
> Well he didn't get that many aces against Sela and it probably affects his
> 2nd serve more if he's still injured.

"His serve seems to be descent. Did you see this:
http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/scores/stats/day13/1404dss.html

Very cool"

That looks promising. I hope his back is getting better. It would be a real
shame otherwise.



  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 06:27:26
From: PeteWasLucky
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
On Jan 26, 9:23=A0am, "grif" <griffin_...@hotmail.com > wrote:

> In his match against Sela, Tsonga was leaving craters on the court from h=
is
> forehand bombs. But I heard him say, last week or so, that he had to modi=
fy
> his serve, because of his injured back.

Is it a weak serve now?


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 14:36:58
From: grif
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...

"PeteWasLucky" <Waleed.Khedr@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1771a716-ff54-44ef-b980-a0bf35194312@v18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 26, 9:23 am, "grif" <griffin_...@hotmail.com > wrote:

> In his match against Sela, Tsonga was leaving craters on the court from
> his
> forehand bombs. But I heard him say, last week or so, that he had to
> modify
> his serve, because of his injured back.

"Is it a weak serve now?"

Well he didn't get that many aces against Sela and it probably affects his
2nd serve more if he's still injured.



  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 06:13:16
From: PeteWasLucky
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
On Jan 26, 9:11=A0am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jan 26, 9:08=A0am, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote:
>
> > Murray out.
>
> Nadal has to beat Simon and probably Tsonga, though. =A0this might be
> tougher than Roger having to beat Del Potro and the Djoko/Roddick
> winner.

How is Tsonga playing so far? I have not seen any of his matches
because of what he said before the tournament about his back pain/
injury, etc.
I'm not sure how he's still in the tournament.


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 10:42:57
From: topspin
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
On 26 Jan, 16:00, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article
> <ccabe205-3038-48de-a1ff-9882fff67...@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Waleed.Kh...@gmail.com (PeteWasLucky) wrote:
>
> > How is Tsonga playing so far? I have not seen any of his matches
> > because of what he said before the tournament about his back pain/
> > injury, etc.
> > I'm not sure how he's still in the tournament.
>
> I thought he looked awfully good last night against Blake. As long as he
> doesn't pick up an injury or this virus that's going around, he's got good
> chances. And before the tournament he was pretty insistent that he's
> serious about challenging for the top ranks and about repeating last
> year's success here.
>
> wg

The first two sets were the most athletic, from both of them, that
I've seen for a long time. The break for the firework display seemed
to take Tsonga off the boil, but overall he was outstanding - bold,
aggressive, serving big when it mattered.


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 18:20:39
From: Sakari Lund
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:13:16 -0800 (PST), PeteWasLucky
<Waleed.Khedr@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 26, 9:11 am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 26, 9:08 am, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Murray out.
>>
>> Nadal has to beat Simon and probably Tsonga, though.  this might be
>> tougher than Roger having to beat Del Potro and the Djoko/Roddick
>> winner.
>
>How is Tsonga playing so far? I have not seen any of his matches
>because of what he said before the tournament about his back pain/
>injury, etc.
>I'm not sure how he's still in the tournament.

I saw a lot of his match against Ljubicic. He didn't play badly, but
he could very well have lost that. I am a little surprised he has won
his matches pretty easily after that.


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 10:00:12
From:
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...
In article
<ccabe205-3038-48de-a1ff-9882fff67900@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
Waleed.Khedr@gmail.com (PeteWasLucky) wrote:

>
> How is Tsonga playing so far? I have not seen any of his matches
> because of what he said before the tournament about his back pain/
> injury, etc.
> I'm not sure how he's still in the tournament.

I thought he looked awfully good last night against Blake. As long as he
doesn't pick up an injury or this virus that's going around, he's got good
chances. And before the tournament he was pretty insistent that he's
serious about challenging for the top ranks and about repeating last
year's success here.

wg


   
Date: 26 Jan 2009 14:23:44
From: grif
Subject: Re: another big break for Nadal ...

"PeteWasLucky" <Waleed.Khedr@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:ccabe205-3038-48de-a1ff-9882fff67900@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 26, 9:11 am, Scott <scott...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jan 26, 9:08 am, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote:
>
> > Murray out.
>
> Nadal has to beat Simon and probably Tsonga, though. this might be
> tougher than Roger having to beat Del Potro and the Djoko/Roddick
> winner.

"How is Tsonga playing so far? I have not seen any of his matches
because of what he said before the tournament about his back pain/
injury, etc.
I'm not sure how he's still in the tournament."

In his match against Sela, Tsonga was leaving craters on the court from his
forehand bombs. But I heard him say, last week or so, that he had to modify
his serve, because of his injured back.