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Date: 14 Jan 2009 10:17:39
From: BlackJAG
Subject: how quickly we forget
I was just wondering has everyone gaven up on Richard Gasquet?
Everyone had such high hopes for this amazingly talented player. As a
teenager he felt this burden, which manifested it self in him blowing
up big leads and losing way too much.

Now i believe the kid has matured, he's 22 now and has started 2009
really well, playing much more agressive tennis (he finaly got rid of
Deblicker who was holding him back" and the results are already
showing.

He sofar has defeated the likes of Tursunov (who always made things
really tough for Gasquet) / Tsonga and now Simon (who had a brilliant
late 2008). He only lost in a battling effort to Stepanek (at least he
fought hardm which he wasn't able to do much early in his career)

I always touted him to reach big height in tennis and so far it seems
that it's clicking together for him. Which i believe is only good news
for tennis itself!

2009 will finally be Gasquet breakthrough as a top player.




 
Date: 15 Jan 2009 10:28:19
From: Adb
Subject: Re: how quickly we forget

"BlackJAG" <mustafabenali@gmail.com > a écrit dans le message de
news:d75b311e-a0e0-4c18-b3d5-bae883f1980a@f33g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>I was just wondering has everyone gaven up on Richard Gasquet?
> Everyone had such high hopes for this amazingly talented player. As a
> teenager he felt this burden, which manifested it self in him blowing
> up big leads and losing way too much.
>
> Now i believe the kid has matured, he's 22 now and has started 2009
> really well, playing much more agressive tennis (he finaly got rid of
> Deblicker who was holding him back" and the results are already
> showing.
>
> He sofar has defeated the likes of Tursunov (who always made things
> really tough for Gasquet) / Tsonga and now Simon (who had a brilliant
> late 2008). He only lost in a battling effort to Stepanek (at least he
> fought hardm which he wasn't able to do much early in his career)
>
> I always touted him to reach big height in tennis and so far it seems
> that it's clicking together for him. Which i believe is only good news
> for tennis itself!
>
> 2009 will finally be Gasquet breakthrough as a top player.


Interesting...as usual here when you talk about anyone but
the top 4,whatever you want,people come back to talk about them.
It's not about tennis here,it's about tennis top 4.
Look at the answers...

[break]

btw,about Gasquet,he'll certainly did not work that hard
the last 8 months,even by sacrifying some tournaments
and his rankings,for nothing.
His new trainer,Peyre,is a really smart guy,and knows where
he want to go.2009 could be really interesting...wait and see.

More talk about Gasquet when he'll be top5

[end of the break]

let's go back to tennis "rich and famous" and to the predictions...
btw,who is the winner of the AO,I forgot...Murray,isn't he?



 
Date: 14 Jan 2009 15:08:20
From:
Subject: Re: how quickly we forget
On Jan 14, 10:54=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> gregor...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> So there's no evidence for your statement
> >> On the contrary there's no evidence for your rather silly statement.
>
> >> Nadal played fine against him:http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5XQqU-h7=
VPk
>
> > No he didn't - Nadal won the first set and then seemed unable to hit
> > the ball with any pace or spin. He was quite obviously not 100% after
> > that and complained of a shoulder injury afterwards. Did you not watch
> > the match?
>
> >> Federer has lost him TWICE of the couple matches they've played...and
> >> Federer definitely was playing well at TMC...Federer said that Simon i=
s
> >> a strange guy since he plays better the better his opponent plays.
>
> > Federer threw away both matches against Simon when in good positions.
> > At the TMC he was a break up in the third set and finished off playing
> > poorly in my opinion.
>
> >> Djokovic beat simon at tmc 7-5 in third set.
>
> > Yes - Djokovic *beat* him.
>
> >> Are you blind?
>
> >> Simon-Federer: 2-0
> >> Simon Djokovic: 1-1
> >> Simon-Nadal: 1-2 (simon won the last one)
> >> Simon-Murray: 1-3
>
> >> Current atp ranking: 7.
>
> > What's his ranking got to do with anything?
>
> The way I see it it's my opinion against yours on the level of play in
> some matches and then the statistics that tell us that indeed Simon is
> capable of beating top players.
>

Fine - if you think that was Nadal playing well in that match against
Simon, no problem.

That statistics do tell us that Simon is capable of beating top
players. However, you claimed that Simon could beat any player, even
if they are playing well. Not the same thing - in particular there's
no evidence that Simon can currently beat Murray at all as he has lost
both times since Murray's recent improvement.

> Everyone decide themselves. I'm not going to have a 30 message long
> argument about this with an idiot.

Translation - I can't think of a decent argument to support my
position so I better quit this thread.



 
Date: 14 Jan 2009 14:24:39
From:
Subject: Re: how quickly we forget
> > So there's no evidence for your statement
>
> On the contrary there's no evidence for your rather silly statement.
>
> Nadal played fine against him:http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=5XQqU-h7VPk
>

No he didn't - Nadal won the first set and then seemed unable to hit
the ball with any pace or spin. He was quite obviously not 100% after
that and complained of a shoulder injury afterwards. Did you not watch
the match?

> Federer has lost him TWICE of the couple matches they've played...and
> Federer definitely was playing well at TMC...Federer said that Simon is
> a strange guy since he plays better the better his opponent plays.

Federer threw away both matches against Simon when in good positions.
At the TMC he was a break up in the third set and finished off playing
poorly in my opinion.

> Djokovic beat simon at tmc 7-5 in third set.

Yes - Djokovic *beat* him.

> Are you blind?
>
> Simon-Federer: 2-0
> Simon Djokovic: 1-1
> Simon-Nadal: 1-2 (simon won the last one)
> Simon-Murray: 1-3
>
> Current atp ranking: 7.

What's his ranking got to do with anything?


  
Date: 15 Jan 2009 00:54:53
From: TT
Subject: Re: how quickly we forget
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> So there's no evidence for your statement
>> On the contrary there's no evidence for your rather silly statement.
>>
>> Nadal played fine against him:http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=5XQqU-h7VPk
>>
>
> No he didn't - Nadal won the first set and then seemed unable to hit
> the ball with any pace or spin. He was quite obviously not 100% after
> that and complained of a shoulder injury afterwards. Did you not watch
> the match?
>
>> Federer has lost him TWICE of the couple matches they've played...and
>> Federer definitely was playing well at TMC...Federer said that Simon is
>> a strange guy since he plays better the better his opponent plays.
>
> Federer threw away both matches against Simon when in good positions.
> At the TMC he was a break up in the third set and finished off playing
> poorly in my opinion.
>
>> Djokovic beat simon at tmc 7-5 in third set.
>
> Yes - Djokovic *beat* him.
>
>> Are you blind?
>>
>> Simon-Federer: 2-0
>> Simon Djokovic: 1-1
>> Simon-Nadal: 1-2 (simon won the last one)
>> Simon-Murray: 1-3
>>
>> Current atp ranking: 7.
>
> What's his ranking got to do with anything?

The way I see it it's my opinion against yours on the level of play in
some matches and then the statistics that tell us that indeed Simon is
capable of beating top players.

Everyone decide themselves. I'm not going to have a 30 message long
argument about this with an idiot.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


 
Date: 14 Jan 2009 13:27:03
From:
Subject: Re: how quickly we forget
On Jan 14, 8:03=A0pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Hops wrote:
> > On Jan 14, 10:17 am, BlackJAG <mustafaben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I was just wondering has everyone gaven up on Richard Gasquet?
> >> Everyone had such high hopes for this amazingly talented player. As a
> >> teenager he felt this burden, which manifested it self in him blowing
> >> up big leads and losing way too much.
>
> >> Now i believe the kid has matured, he's 22 now and has started 2009
> >> really well, playing much more agressive tennis (he finaly got rid of
> >> Deblicker who was holding him back" and the results are already
> >> showing.
>
> >> He sofar has defeated the likes of Tursunov (who always made things
> >> really tough for Gasquet) / Tsonga and now Simon (who had a brilliant
> >> late 2008). He only lost in a battling effort to Stepanek (at least he
> >> fought hardm which he wasn't able to do much early in his career)
>
> >> I always touted him to reach big height in tennis and so far it seems
> >> that it's clicking together for him. Which i believe is only good news
> >> for tennis itself!
>
> >> 2009 will finally be Gasquet breakthrough as a top player.
>
> > He's still got the shots; the problem is in his head. =A0 Whether that
> > can be solved ...
>
> > By this point I expected him to be where Murray is now, firmly in the
> > top five with at least a slam final. =A0Instead he's at #25 and hasn't
> > won a title in over a year. =A0Simon? =A0eh. =A0When he takes out Fed/N=
adal/
> > Djoker/Murray at a slam and gets to a slam final, (maybe) he's turned
> > the corner. =A0Until then, no.
>
> Don't be such a slammist. Simon can beat anyone on tour, even when
> they're playing well.
>

Murray beat him both times they played recently
Federer didn't play well either time Simon beat him
Nadal didn't play well (and/or was not fully fit) the time Simon beat
him
Djokovic beat him when they played at TMC

So there's no evidence for your statement






  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 23:57:34
From: TT
Subject: Re: how quickly we forget
gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 14, 8:03 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org> wrote:
>> Hops wrote:
>>> On Jan 14, 10:17 am, BlackJAG <mustafaben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I was just wondering has everyone gaven up on Richard Gasquet?
>>>> Everyone had such high hopes for this amazingly talented player. As a
>>>> teenager he felt this burden, which manifested it self in him blowing
>>>> up big leads and losing way too much.
>>>> Now i believe the kid has matured, he's 22 now and has started 2009
>>>> really well, playing much more agressive tennis (he finaly got rid of
>>>> Deblicker who was holding him back" and the results are already
>>>> showing.
>>>> He sofar has defeated the likes of Tursunov (who always made things
>>>> really tough for Gasquet) / Tsonga and now Simon (who had a brilliant
>>>> late 2008). He only lost in a battling effort to Stepanek (at least he
>>>> fought hardm which he wasn't able to do much early in his career)
>>>> I always touted him to reach big height in tennis and so far it seems
>>>> that it's clicking together for him. Which i believe is only good news
>>>> for tennis itself!
>>>> 2009 will finally be Gasquet breakthrough as a top player.
>>> He's still got the shots; the problem is in his head. Whether that
>>> can be solved ...
>>> By this point I expected him to be where Murray is now, firmly in the
>>> top five with at least a slam final. Instead he's at #25 and hasn't
>>> won a title in over a year. Simon? eh. When he takes out Fed/Nadal/
>>> Djoker/Murray at a slam and gets to a slam final, (maybe) he's turned
>>> the corner. Until then, no.
>> Don't be such a slammist. Simon can beat anyone on tour, even when
>> they're playing well.
>>
>
> Murray beat him both times they played recently
> Federer didn't play well either time Simon beat him
> Nadal didn't play well (and/or was not fully fit) the time Simon beat
> him
> Djokovic beat him when they played at TMC
>
> So there's no evidence for your statement
>

On the contrary there's no evidence for your rather silly statement.

Nadal played fine against him:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=5XQqU-h7VPk

Federer has lost him TWICE of the couple matches they've played...and
Federer definitely was playing well at TMC...Federer said that Simon is
a strange guy since he plays better the better his opponent plays.
Djokovic beat simon at tmc 7-5 in third set.
Are you blind?


Simon-Federer: 2-0
Simon Djokovic: 1-1
Simon-Nadal: 1-2 (simon won the last one)
Simon-Murray: 1-3

Current atp ranking: 7.


 
Date: 14 Jan 2009 10:39:56
From: Hops
Subject: Re: how quickly we forget
On Jan 14, 10:17 am, BlackJAG <mustafaben...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I was just wondering has everyone gaven up on Richard Gasquet?
> Everyone had such high hopes for this amazingly talented player. As a
> teenager he felt this burden, which manifested it self in him blowing
> up big leads and losing way too much.
>
> Now i believe the kid has matured, he's 22 now and has started 2009
> really well, playing much more agressive tennis (he finaly got rid of
> Deblicker who was holding him back" and the results are already
> showing.
>
> He sofar has defeated the likes of Tursunov (who always made things
> really tough for Gasquet) / Tsonga and now Simon (who had a brilliant
> late 2008). He only lost in a battling effort to Stepanek (at least he
> fought hardm which he wasn't able to do much early in his career)
>
> I always touted him to reach big height in tennis and so far it seems
> that it's clicking together for him. Which i believe is only good news
> for tennis itself!
>
> 2009 will finally be Gasquet breakthrough as a top player.


He's still got the shots; the problem is in his head. Whether that
can be solved ...

By this point I expected him to be where Murray is now, firmly in the
top five with at least a slam final. Instead he's at #25 and hasn't
won a title in over a year. Simon? eh. When he takes out Fed/Nadal/
Djoker/Murray at a slam and gets to a slam final, (maybe) he's turned
the corner. Until then, no.








  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 22:03:45
From: TT
Subject: Re: how quickly we forget
Hops wrote:
> On Jan 14, 10:17 am, BlackJAG <mustafaben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I was just wondering has everyone gaven up on Richard Gasquet?
>> Everyone had such high hopes for this amazingly talented player. As a
>> teenager he felt this burden, which manifested it self in him blowing
>> up big leads and losing way too much.
>>
>> Now i believe the kid has matured, he's 22 now and has started 2009
>> really well, playing much more agressive tennis (he finaly got rid of
>> Deblicker who was holding him back" and the results are already
>> showing.
>>
>> He sofar has defeated the likes of Tursunov (who always made things
>> really tough for Gasquet) / Tsonga and now Simon (who had a brilliant
>> late 2008). He only lost in a battling effort to Stepanek (at least he
>> fought hardm which he wasn't able to do much early in his career)
>>
>> I always touted him to reach big height in tennis and so far it seems
>> that it's clicking together for him. Which i believe is only good news
>> for tennis itself!
>>
>> 2009 will finally be Gasquet breakthrough as a top player.
>
>
> He's still got the shots; the problem is in his head. Whether that
> can be solved ...
>
> By this point I expected him to be where Murray is now, firmly in the
> top five with at least a slam final. Instead he's at #25 and hasn't
> won a title in over a year. Simon? eh. When he takes out Fed/Nadal/
> Djoker/Murray at a slam and gets to a slam final, (maybe) he's turned
> the corner. Until then, no.
>


Don't be such a slammist. Simon can beat anyone on tour, even when
they're playing well.


--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"