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Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:53:31
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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What more is there to say?
--
Cheers,
vc
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 10:19:34
From: Hops
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> What more is there to say?
>
> --
bastard keeps forcing me to redo the graph heights, enough already
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 17:21:49
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Hops wrote:
> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>
>>What more is there to say?
>>
>>--
>
>
> bastard keeps forcing me to redo the graph heights, enough already
>
I remarked on that just this week. It seems to be the 3rd time that I
noticed the max getting upped.
8500 ought to do it. He may not even play Paris.
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Cheers,
vc
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 10:09:13
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> Adam Thirnis wrote:
>
> > Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> >
> >>What more is there to say?
> >
> >
> > two words: peak goat
> >
>
> Last year I remember thinking that if he could hit a supreme peak and
> hit 7000, that would be a first in the Open Era.
>
> This is a full slam ahead of that! Amazing indeed!
>
> <<A certain club is going to go apoplectic. Brace yourselves for some
> major fireworks from the usual suspects.>>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> vc
Is there any possibility he can reach 9,000 at some point in 2007? Will
retaining all the titles he won this year and winning all the finals he
didn't win this year do it?
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 17:11:20
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>
>>Adam Thirnis wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What more is there to say?
>>>
>>>
>>>two words: peak goat
>>>
>>
>>Last year I remember thinking that if he could hit a supreme peak and
>>hit 7000, that would be a first in the Open Era.
>>
>>This is a full slam ahead of that! Amazing indeed!
>>
>><<A certain club is going to go apoplectic. Brace yourselves for some
>>major fireworks from the usual suspects.>>
>>
>
> Is there any possibility he can reach 9,000 at some point in 2007? Will
> retaining all the titles he won this year and winning all the finals he
> didn't win this year do it?
>
In theory, certainly.
Most points possible = 4000 + 4500 + 750 + 1350 = 10600
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Cheers,
vc
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 09:46:03
From:
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Adam Thirnis wrote:
> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> > What more is there to say?
>
> two words: peak goat
Also roast goat, jerk goat, goat biryiani, goat empanadas, goat tagine,
goat en croute...
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 23:38:58
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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On 28 2006 09:46:03 -0700, pedrodias@snip.net wrote:
>
>Adam Thirnis wrote:
>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>> > What more is there to say?
>>
>> two words: peak goat
>
>Also roast goat, jerk goat, goat biryiani, goat empanadas, goat tagine,
>goat en croute...
and goat well done !
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 14:39:45
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On 28 2006 09:46:03 -0700, pedrodias@snip.net wrote:
>
>
>>Adam Thirnis wrote:
>>
>>>Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>>
>>>>What more is there to say?
>>>
>>>two words: peak goat
>>
>>Also roast goat, jerk goat, goat biryiani, goat empanadas, goat tagine,
>>goat en croute...
>
>
>
> and goat well done !
Schricha had goat on toast but dropped it.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 19:13:10
From: David W
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au > wrote in message
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> >
> > and goat well done !
>
> Schricha had goat on toast but dropped it.
And the goat was Federer?
David
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 06:17:38
From:
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Whisper wrote:
> pedrodias@snip.net wrote:
> >>
> >>So Whisper basically enthrones people who themselves admit that they
> >>don't deserve the crowns :)
> >
> >
> > Two issues there: he *always* knows better than the experts, including
> > the very people he is talking about- or that's his shtick, anyway. And
> > while the arguments themselves have no merit, he uses them to obfuscate
> > any problems with the Sampras legacy. He puts enough of this nonsense
> > up, and he can at some point get to a thirder-order statement upon
> > which he can argue with *apparent* solidity that Sampras has no
> > weaknesses, sampras has a great backhand, Sampras's winning percentages
> > are irrelevant, Federer's accomplishments amount to a bucket of spit,
> > Lendl was barely a journeyman, usw, ad infinitum.
>
> Completely wrong as I rate Fed very highly & Lendl in alltime top 15.
Riiiight...
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 09:14:51
From: Adam Thirnis
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> What more is there to say?
two words: peak goat
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 16:24:23
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Adam Thirnis wrote:
> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>
>>What more is there to say?
>
>
> two words: peak goat
>
Last year I remember thinking that if he could hit a supreme peak and
hit 7000, that would be a first in the Open Era.
This is a full slam ahead of that! Amazing indeed!
<<A certain club is going to go apoplectic. Brace yourselves for some
major fireworks from the usual suspects. >>
--
Cheers,
vc
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 16:21:52
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Adam Thirnis wrote:
> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>> What more is there to say?
>
> two words: peak goat
>
Known to roam on the clownerius mountain range.
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:55:54
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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On Sat, 28 2006 15:53:31 GMT, "Vari L. Cinicke"
<cinicke@netscape.net > wrote:
>What more is there to say?
er ...Sampras has a better bh ? duh ?
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:54:47
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> What more is there to say?
>
Clown era
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 20:57:20
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 2006 03:23:08 GMT, "Vari L. Cinicke"
> > <cinicke@netscape.net> wrote:
> >
> >> gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 28 2006 12:38:00 -0700, pedrodias@snip.net wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> >>>>>> Hops wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What more is there to say?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> bastard keeps forcing me to redo the graph heights, enough already
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I remarked on that just this week. It seems to be the 3rd time that I
> >>>>>> noticed the max getting upped.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 8500 ought to do it. He may not even play Paris.
> >>>>> That's what I thought. What I predicted, for what it's worth. It makes
> >>>>> the most sense: he could spend time in Dubai, still get to Shangai
> >>>>> early, that would give him yet another small edge, not to mention
> >>>>> giving him a headstart on getting fit and rested for next year.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, though... I think he's riding out this wave. He isn't fatigued yet
> >>>>> - or isn't feeling it, at least. My own gut feeling - augmented by the
> >>>>> request for a Wednesday match - is that he'll keep going, just keep
> >>>>> playing and see just what happens.
> >>>> He probably figures he can win 3 out of the 4 (Madrid, Basel, Paris,
> >>>> YEC) so why not.
> >>> Yeah, but the YEC is the big one.
> >>>
> >>> I think it might be advisable to skip Paris and avoid an unnecessary
> >>> loss to someone. OTOH, he has a comfortable draw, and would be tempted
> >>> to play, particularly if he could be fairly sure that Nadal won't make
> >>> the final ...
> >>>
> >> He would almost certainly hope Nadal makes the final. If he can't be
> >> confident of beating Nadal on carpet, he might as well skip Shanghai.
> >>
> >> It is going to be hard to make any headway on the h2h if Nadal stops
> >> showing up in the finals. Federer must be thanking the gods for the
> >> Wimbledon draw that made that final possible.
> >
> >
> > Fed can break 9000 points if he wins Paris and the YEC !
> >
> > WoW
>
> Not really. The 500 points from last year will drop off.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> vc
Shh...don't disturb God. He's building Mount Everest. :-)
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 18:07:40
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> arnab.z@gmail wrote:
>
> > Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> >
> >>Adam Thirnis wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>What more is there to say?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>two words: peak goat
> >>>
> >>
> >>Last year I remember thinking that if he could hit a supreme peak and
> >>hit 7000, that would be a first in the Open Era.
> >>
> >>This is a full slam ahead of that! Amazing indeed!
> >>
> >><<A certain club is going to go apoplectic. Brace yourselves for some
> >>major fireworks from the usual suspects.>>
> >>
> >
> > Is there any possibility he can reach 9,000 at some point in 2007? Will
> > retaining all the titles he won this year and winning all the finals he
> > didn't win this year do it?
> >
>
> In theory, certainly.
>
> Most points possible = 4000 + 4500 + 750 + 1350 = 10600
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> vc
4-minute mile.
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 16:51:18
From:
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On 28 2006 12:38:00 -0700, pedrodias@snip.net wrote:
>
> >
> >Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> >> Hops wrote:
> >>
> >> > Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>What more is there to say?
> >> >>
> >> >>--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > bastard keeps forcing me to redo the graph heights, enough already
> >> >
> >>
> >> I remarked on that just this week. It seems to be the 3rd time that I
> >> noticed the max getting upped.
> >>
> >> 8500 ought to do it. He may not even play Paris.
> >
> >That's what I thought. What I predicted, for what it's worth. It makes
> >the most sense: he could spend time in Dubai, still get to Shangai
> >early, that would give him yet another small edge, not to mention
> >giving him a headstart on getting fit and rested for next year.
> >
> >Now, though... I think he's riding out this wave. He isn't fatigued yet
> >- or isn't feeling it, at least. My own gut feeling - augmented by the
> >request for a Wednesday match - is that he'll keep going, just keep
> >playing and see just what happens.
>
>
> He probably figures he can win 3 out of the 4 (Madrid, Basel, Paris,
> YEC) so why not.
Yeah, but the YEC is the big one.
I think it might be advisable to skip Paris and avoid an unnecessary
loss to someone. OTOH, he has a comfortable draw, and would be tempted
to play, particularly if he could be fairly sure that Nadal won't make
the final ...
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 03:23:08
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>
>> On 28 2006 12:38:00 -0700, pedrodias@snip.net wrote:
>>
>>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>>> Hops wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What more is there to say?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> bastard keeps forcing me to redo the graph heights, enough already
>>>>>
>>>> I remarked on that just this week. It seems to be the 3rd time that I
>>>> noticed the max getting upped.
>>>>
>>>> 8500 ought to do it. He may not even play Paris.
>>> That's what I thought. What I predicted, for what it's worth. It makes
>>> the most sense: he could spend time in Dubai, still get to Shangai
>>> early, that would give him yet another small edge, not to mention
>>> giving him a headstart on getting fit and rested for next year.
>>>
>>> Now, though... I think he's riding out this wave. He isn't fatigued yet
>>> - or isn't feeling it, at least. My own gut feeling - augmented by the
>>> request for a Wednesday match - is that he'll keep going, just keep
>>> playing and see just what happens.
>>
>> He probably figures he can win 3 out of the 4 (Madrid, Basel, Paris,
>> YEC) so why not.
>
> Yeah, but the YEC is the big one.
>
> I think it might be advisable to skip Paris and avoid an unnecessary
> loss to someone. OTOH, he has a comfortable draw, and would be tempted
> to play, particularly if he could be fairly sure that Nadal won't make
> the final ...
>
He would almost certainly hope Nadal makes the final. If he can't be
confident of beating Nadal on carpet, he might as well skip Shanghai.
It is going to be hard to make any headway on the h2h if Nadal stops
showing up in the finals. Federer must be thanking the gods for the
Wimbledon draw that made that final possible.
--
Cheers,
vc
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 03:39:36
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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On Sun, 29 2006 03:23:08 GMT, "Vari L. Cinicke"
<cinicke@netscape.net > wrote:
>gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>
>>> On 28 2006 12:38:00 -0700, pedrodias@snip.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>>>> Hops wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What more is there to say?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bastard keeps forcing me to redo the graph heights, enough already
>>>>>>
>>>>> I remarked on that just this week. It seems to be the 3rd time that I
>>>>> noticed the max getting upped.
>>>>>
>>>>> 8500 ought to do it. He may not even play Paris.
>>>> That's what I thought. What I predicted, for what it's worth. It makes
>>>> the most sense: he could spend time in Dubai, still get to Shangai
>>>> early, that would give him yet another small edge, not to mention
>>>> giving him a headstart on getting fit and rested for next year.
>>>>
>>>> Now, though... I think he's riding out this wave. He isn't fatigued yet
>>>> - or isn't feeling it, at least. My own gut feeling - augmented by the
>>>> request for a Wednesday match - is that he'll keep going, just keep
>>>> playing and see just what happens.
>>>
>>> He probably figures he can win 3 out of the 4 (Madrid, Basel, Paris,
>>> YEC) so why not.
>>
>> Yeah, but the YEC is the big one.
>>
>> I think it might be advisable to skip Paris and avoid an unnecessary
>> loss to someone. OTOH, he has a comfortable draw, and would be tempted
>> to play, particularly if he could be fairly sure that Nadal won't make
>> the final ...
>>
>
>He would almost certainly hope Nadal makes the final. If he can't be
>confident of beating Nadal on carpet, he might as well skip Shanghai.
>
>It is going to be hard to make any headway on the h2h if Nadal stops
>showing up in the finals. Federer must be thanking the gods for the
>Wimbledon draw that made that final possible.
Fed can break 9000 points if he wins Paris and the YEC !
WoW
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 03:44:13
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> On Sun, 29 2006 03:23:08 GMT, "Vari L. Cinicke"
> <cinicke@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28 2006 12:38:00 -0700, pedrodias@snip.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>>>>> Hops wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What more is there to say?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> bastard keeps forcing me to redo the graph heights, enough already
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remarked on that just this week. It seems to be the 3rd time that I
>>>>>> noticed the max getting upped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 8500 ought to do it. He may not even play Paris.
>>>>> That's what I thought. What I predicted, for what it's worth. It makes
>>>>> the most sense: he could spend time in Dubai, still get to Shangai
>>>>> early, that would give him yet another small edge, not to mention
>>>>> giving him a headstart on getting fit and rested for next year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, though... I think he's riding out this wave. He isn't fatigued yet
>>>>> - or isn't feeling it, at least. My own gut feeling - augmented by the
>>>>> request for a Wednesday match - is that he'll keep going, just keep
>>>>> playing and see just what happens.
>>>> He probably figures he can win 3 out of the 4 (Madrid, Basel, Paris,
>>>> YEC) so why not.
>>> Yeah, but the YEC is the big one.
>>>
>>> I think it might be advisable to skip Paris and avoid an unnecessary
>>> loss to someone. OTOH, he has a comfortable draw, and would be tempted
>>> to play, particularly if he could be fairly sure that Nadal won't make
>>> the final ...
>>>
>> He would almost certainly hope Nadal makes the final. If he can't be
>> confident of beating Nadal on carpet, he might as well skip Shanghai.
>>
>> It is going to be hard to make any headway on the h2h if Nadal stops
>> showing up in the finals. Federer must be thanking the gods for the
>> Wimbledon draw that made that final possible.
>
>
> Fed can break 9000 points if he wins Paris and the YEC !
>
> WoW
Not really. The 500 points from last year will drop off.
--
Cheers,
vc
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 04:01:31
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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On Sun, 29 2006 03:44:13 GMT, "Vari L. Cinicke"
<cinicke@netscape.net > wrote:
>Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 2006 03:23:08 GMT, "Vari L. Cinicke"
>> <cinicke@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>> gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 28 2006 12:38:00 -0700, pedrodias@snip.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>>>>>> Hops wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What more is there to say?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> bastard keeps forcing me to redo the graph heights, enough already
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remarked on that just this week. It seems to be the 3rd time that I
>>>>>>> noticed the max getting upped.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8500 ought to do it. He may not even play Paris.
>>>>>> That's what I thought. What I predicted, for what it's worth. It makes
>>>>>> the most sense: he could spend time in Dubai, still get to Shangai
>>>>>> early, that would give him yet another small edge, not to mention
>>>>>> giving him a headstart on getting fit and rested for next year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, though... I think he's riding out this wave. He isn't fatigued yet
>>>>>> - or isn't feeling it, at least. My own gut feeling - augmented by the
>>>>>> request for a Wednesday match - is that he'll keep going, just keep
>>>>>> playing and see just what happens.
>>>>> He probably figures he can win 3 out of the 4 (Madrid, Basel, Paris,
>>>>> YEC) so why not.
>>>> Yeah, but the YEC is the big one.
>>>>
>>>> I think it might be advisable to skip Paris and avoid an unnecessary
>>>> loss to someone. OTOH, he has a comfortable draw, and would be tempted
>>>> to play, particularly if he could be fairly sure that Nadal won't make
>>>> the final ...
>>>>
>>> He would almost certainly hope Nadal makes the final. If he can't be
>>> confident of beating Nadal on carpet, he might as well skip Shanghai.
>>>
>>> It is going to be hard to make any headway on the h2h if Nadal stops
>>> showing up in the finals. Federer must be thanking the gods for the
>>> Wimbledon draw that made that final possible.
>>
>>
>> Fed can break 9000 points if he wins Paris and the YEC !
>>
>> WoW
>
>Not really. The 500 points from last year will drop off.
oh yeah so ...
He has 7870 as of 10/23
Add Basel 250
Add Paris 500
Add YEC 250 (750-500)
that's 8870 .... aw shit, too bad he didn't win Cincy or he would
have made it.
Still he will surely break 8500.
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:22:02
From: topspin
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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pedrodias@snip.net wrote:
> Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> > Hops wrote:
> >
> > > Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> > >
> > >>What more is there to say?
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >
> > >
> > > bastard keeps forcing me to redo the graph heights, enough already
> > >
> >
> > I remarked on that just this week. It seems to be the 3rd time that I
> > noticed the max getting upped.
> >
> > 8500 ought to do it. He may not even play Paris.
>
> That's what I thought. What I predicted, for what it's worth. It makes
> the most sense: he could spend time in Dubai, still get to Shangai
> early, that would give him yet another small edge, not to mention
> giving him a headstart on getting fit and rested for next year.
>
> Now, though... I think he's riding out this wave. He isn't fatigued yet
> - or isn't feeling it, at least. My own gut feeling - augmented by the
> request for a Wednesday match - is that he'll keep going, just keep
> playing and see just what happens.
I get that impression too. i wonder too if it isn't some advice from
Old Tony - when you get these waves of form, just ride them until they
ebb.
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 12:38:00
From:
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> Hops wrote:
>
> > Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> >
> >>What more is there to say?
> >>
> >>--
> >
> >
> > bastard keeps forcing me to redo the graph heights, enough already
> >
>
> I remarked on that just this week. It seems to be the 3rd time that I
> noticed the max getting upped.
>
> 8500 ought to do it. He may not even play Paris.
That's what I thought. What I predicted, for what it's worth. It makes
the most sense: he could spend time in Dubai, still get to Shangai
early, that would give him yet another small edge, not to mention
giving him a headstart on getting fit and rested for next year.
Now, though... I think he's riding out this wave. He isn't fatigued yet
- or isn't feeling it, at least. My own gut feeling - augmented by the
request for a Wednesday match - is that he'll keep going, just keep
playing and see just what happens.
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 23:40:50
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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On 28 2006 12:38:00 -0700, pedrodias@snip.net wrote:
>
>Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>> Hops wrote:
>>
>> > Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
>> >
>> >>What more is there to say?
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >
>> >
>> > bastard keeps forcing me to redo the graph heights, enough already
>> >
>>
>> I remarked on that just this week. It seems to be the 3rd time that I
>> noticed the max getting upped.
>>
>> 8500 ought to do it. He may not even play Paris.
>
>That's what I thought. What I predicted, for what it's worth. It makes
>the most sense: he could spend time in Dubai, still get to Shangai
>early, that would give him yet another small edge, not to mention
>giving him a headstart on getting fit and rested for next year.
>
>Now, though... I think he's riding out this wave. He isn't fatigued yet
>- or isn't feeling it, at least. My own gut feeling - augmented by the
>request for a Wednesday match - is that he'll keep going, just keep
>playing and see just what happens.
He probably figures he can win 3 out of the 4 (Madrid, Basel, Paris,
YEC) so why not.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 04:03:22
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Whisper wrote:
> arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> > Whisper wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>No, Mac is by far the most talented player ever,
> >
> >
> > Links?
> >
> >
> >>& possibly 2nd best in
> >>absolute terms
> >
> >
> > ???
> >
> > That doesn't even follow....So Mac is 2nd most talented now?
>
>
>
> Mac is most talented by a long way,
Again, links please?
Mac (and everybody else) says Federer is the most talented. Should I
believe Mac or a troll named Whisper?? Hmm... tough choice...
> but Sampras is best player in
> absolute terms - ie his strengths are big enough to make up the talent
> gap & win.
??? I thought you said Sampras was supremely talented in every area of
the game with no weakness?
> Mac is possibly 2nd best in absolute terms (not talking
> talent here - following?)
Er, no. WTF is "absolute terms"? Links?
> but Fed/Hoad may be no.2.
Hoad didn't win a whole lot so this whole "absolute terms" crap makes
even less sense now.
Seriously, you're falling apart here.
Go back and do some homework, will ya?
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 03:12:18
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Whisper wrote:
> arnab.z@gmai
> >>I hope so. If Fed can keep this up, + get some confidence in volleying
> >>he could easily become absolute goat in my book. He's not there yet, of
> >>course - & may never get there.
> >>
> >>But if he does, well, how privileged are we to see Sampras/Fed back to
> >>back...? Could be top 2 goats right before our eyes...
> >
> >
> > Awww...look at how Fed has softened up cute little whispy. He's even
> > made the troll forget about Mac.
> >
> > That's a first I think.
> >
>
>
>
> No, Mac is by far the most talented player ever,
Links?
> & possibly 2nd best in
> absolute terms
???
That doesn't even follow....So Mac is 2nd most talented now?
> (though Fed/Hoad may top him)....
>
Er, what? So Mac is now the "top" talent again, to be eclipsed by Fed?
> No contradictions there.
Wittle Whithpy, you are really confused. Go to the principal and tell
her that you want to be transfered to the "special" section.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 22:46:16
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> Whisper wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>No, Mac is by far the most talented player ever,
>
>
> Links?
>
>
>>& possibly 2nd best in
>>absolute terms
>
>
> ???
>
> That doesn't even follow....So Mac is 2nd most talented now?
Mac is most talented by a long way, but Sampras is best player in
absolute terms - ie his strengths are big enough to make up the talent
gap & win. Mac is possibly 2nd best in absolute terms (not talking
talent here - following?), but Fed/Hoad may be no.2.
Want me to type it again slower?
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 19:40:45
From: David Bonafonte
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Whisper wrote:
> Mac is most talented by a long way, but Sampras is best player in absolute
> terms - ie his strengths are big enough to make up the talent gap & win.
> Mac is possibly 2nd best in absolute terms (not talking talent here -
> following?), but Fed/Hoad may be no.2.
>
> Want me to type it again slower?
Yes.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 18:43:50
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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David Bonafonte wrote:
> Whisper wrote:
>
>> Mac is most talented by a long way, but Sampras is best player in absolute
>> terms - ie his strengths are big enough to make up the talent gap & win.
>> Mac is possibly 2nd best in absolute terms (not talking talent here -
>> following?), but Fed/Hoad may be no.2.
>>
>> Want me to type it again slower?
>
> Yes.
>
>
Preferably at the speed of 1 word per year! ;-)
--
Cheers,
vc
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 11:52:35
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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On Sun, 29 2006 22:46:16 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au >
wrote:
>arnab.z@gmail wrote:
>> Whisper wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>No, Mac is by far the most talented player ever,
>>
>>
>> Links?
>>
>>
>>>& possibly 2nd best in
>>>absolute terms
>>
>>
>> ???
>>
>> That doesn't even follow....So Mac is 2nd most talented now?
>
>
>
>Mac is most talented by a long way, but Sampras is best player in
>absolute terms - ie his strengths are big enough to make up the talent
>gap & win. Mac is possibly 2nd best in absolute terms (not talking
>talent here - following?), but Fed/Hoad may be no.2.
>
>Want me to type it again slower?
yes, and please stop using your dick to type because all we are
getting at this end is piss nonsense.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 02:31:18
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Whisper wrote:
> arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> > David W wrote:
> >
> >>"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>and goat well done !
> >>>
> >>>Schricha had goat on toast but dropped it.
> >>
> >>And the goat was Federer?
> >>
> >>David
> >
> >
> > Whispy's finally caving in after all the battering, as evidenced by his
> > recent freudian slip:
> >
> > "I am the federer of this group." Notice how he doesn't mention
> > Sampras. :-)
>
>
>
> That's because Fed is winning every 'thread' (ala myself), while Sampras
> won all the most important ones every time.
>
>
Ha ha! I have to give it to you. It takes special talent to pull that
kind of self-depracating absurdist humor.
> >
> > He's still in denial, but give it time.
> >
> > Mark my words: In about two years, he'll become the most rabid
> > "Fed-fucker" (an euphemism coined by Wittle Whithpy; borne out of sheer
> > desparation, really) there is. :-)
> >
>
>
> I hope so. If Fed can keep this up, + get some confidence in volleying
> he could easily become absolute goat in my book. He's not there yet, of
> course - & may never get there.
>
> But if he does, well, how privileged are we to see Sampras/Fed back to
> back...? Could be top 2 goats right before our eyes...
Awww...look at how Fed has softened up cute little whispy. He's even
made the troll forget about Mac.
That's a first I think.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 21:39:42
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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arnab.z@gmai
>>I hope so. If Fed can keep this up, + get some confidence in volleying
>>he could easily become absolute goat in my book. He's not there yet, of
>>course - & may never get there.
>>
>>But if he does, well, how privileged are we to see Sampras/Fed back to
>>back...? Could be top 2 goats right before our eyes...
>
>
> Awww...look at how Fed has softened up cute little whispy. He's even
> made the troll forget about Mac.
>
> That's a first I think.
>
No, Mac is by far the most talented player ever, & possibly 2nd best in
absolute terms (though Fed/Hoad may top him)....
No contradictions there.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 01:28:45
From: arnab.z@gmail
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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David W wrote:
> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> > Dave Hazelwood wrote:
> > >
> > > and goat well done !
> >
> > Schricha had goat on toast but dropped it.
>
> And the goat was Federer?
>
> David
Whispy's finally caving in after all the battering, as evidenced by his
recent freudian slip:
"I am the federer of this group." Notice how he doesn't mention
Sampras. :-)
He's still in denial, but give it time.
Mark my words: In about two years, he'll become the most rabid
"Fed-fucker" (an euphemism coined by Wittle Whithpy; borne out of sheer
desparation, really) there is. :-)
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 20:25:09
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> David W wrote:
>
>>"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>>>Dave Hazelwood wrote:
>>>
>>>>and goat well done !
>>>
>>>Schricha had goat on toast but dropped it.
>>
>>And the goat was Federer?
>>
>>David
>
>
> Whispy's finally caving in after all the battering, as evidenced by his
> recent freudian slip:
>
> "I am the federer of this group." Notice how he doesn't mention
> Sampras. :-)
That's because Fed is winning every 'thread' (ala myself), while Sampras
won all the most important ones every time.
>
> He's still in denial, but give it time.
>
> Mark my words: In about two years, he'll become the most rabid
> "Fed-fucker" (an euphemism coined by Wittle Whithpy; borne out of sheer
> desparation, really) there is. :-)
>
I hope so. If Fed can keep this up, + get some confidence in volleying
he could easily become absolute goat in my book. He's not there yet, of
course - & may never get there.
But if he does, well, how privileged are we to see Sampras/Fed back to
back...? Could be top 2 goats right before our eyes...
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 15:30:39
From:
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Sasidharp wrote:
> arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> > Whisper wrote:
> > > arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> > > > Whisper wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>No, Mac is by far the most talented player ever,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Links?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>& possibly 2nd best in
> > > >>absolute terms
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ???
> > > >
> > > > That doesn't even follow....So Mac is 2nd most talented now?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mac is most talented by a long way,
> >
> > Again, links please?
> >
> > Mac (and everybody else) says Federer is the most talented. Should I
> > believe Mac or a troll named Whisper?? Hmm... tough choice...
> >
> > > but Sampras is best player in
> > > absolute terms - ie his strengths are big enough to make up the talent
> > > gap & win.
> >
> > ??? I thought you said Sampras was supremely talented in every area of
> > the game with no weakness?
> >
> > > Mac is possibly 2nd best in absolute terms (not talking
> > > talent here - following?)
> >
> > Er, no. WTF is "absolute terms"? Links?
> >
> > > but Fed/Hoad may be no.2.
> >
> > Hoad didn't win a whole lot so this whole "absolute terms" crap makes
> > even less sense now.
> >
> > Seriously, you're falling apart here.
> >
> > Go back and do some homework, will ya?
>
> Its funny how stupid his arguments are -- Mac calls Federer the most
> talented player ever, so Whisper calls Mac most talented. Sampras
> calls the new era tougher, so Whisper calls it weaker. Hoad says that
> Gonzales can beat him even when he is at his best, so what does Whisper
> do? He places Hoad as 2nd in absolute terms. :)
>
> So Whisper basically enthrones people who themselves admit that they
> don't deserve the crowns :)
Two issues there: he *always* knows better than the experts, including
the very people he is talking about- or that's his shtick, anyway. And
while the arguments themselves have no merit, he uses them to obfuscate
any problems with the Sampras legacy. He puts enough of this nonsense
up, and he can at some point get to a thirder-order statement upon
which he can argue with *apparent* solidity that Sampras has no
weaknesses, sampras has a great backhand, Sampras's winning percentages
are irrelevant, Federer's accomplishments amount to a bucket of spit,
Lendl was barely a journeyman, usw, ad infinitum.
None of these arguments make sense if you base them on the real world.
So before he launches into them, he has to construct a set of premises
from which his idiocies *do* follow. He relies on the fact that most
readers only scrutinize the last few steps of a logical progression.
Unfortunately, he's correct in that assumption, which is how he keeps
his head above the flood of facts that is quickly overrunning his
crumbling sandcastle.
Of course, there are also plenty of us who know precisely what he's up
to, but he just flings some more nonsense at us and moves right along.
That, together with the fact that he *never* responds to the posts that
*really* take him apart, lets him behave *as if* he were carrying the
day. And as the last two US elections have shown us, that's enough for
most people.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 17:34:41
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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pedrodias@snip.net wrote:
>>
>>So Whisper basically enthrones people who themselves admit that they
>>don't deserve the crowns :)
>
>
> Two issues there: he *always* knows better than the experts, including
> the very people he is talking about- or that's his shtick, anyway. And
> while the arguments themselves have no merit, he uses them to obfuscate
> any problems with the Sampras legacy. He puts enough of this nonsense
> up, and he can at some point get to a thirder-order statement upon
> which he can argue with *apparent* solidity that Sampras has no
> weaknesses, sampras has a great backhand, Sampras's winning percentages
> are irrelevant, Federer's accomplishments amount to a bucket of spit,
> Lendl was barely a journeyman, usw, ad infinitum.
Completely wrong as I rate Fed very highly & Lendl in alltime top 15.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 15:17:38
From:
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Whisper wrote
> arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> > Whisper wrote:
> >
> >>No, Mac is by far the most talented player ever,
> >
> > Links?
> >
> >>& possibly 2nd best in
> >>absolute terms
> >
> > ???
> >
> > That doesn't even follow....So Mac is 2nd most talented now?
>
> Mac is most talented by a long way, but Sampras is best player in
> absolute terms - ie his strengths are big enough to make up the talent
> gap & win. Mac is possibly 2nd best in absolute terms (not talking
> talent here - following?), but Fed/Hoad may be no.2.
>
> Want me to type it again slower?
Is there something about reduced speed that will raise the content of
your posts to anything even remotely resembling coherence?
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 12:34:48
From: Sasidharp
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> Whisper wrote:
> > arnab.z@gmail wrote:
> > > Whisper wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>No, Mac is by far the most talented player ever,
> > >
> > >
> > > Links?
> > >
> > >
> > >>& possibly 2nd best in
> > >>absolute terms
> > >
> > >
> > > ???
> > >
> > > That doesn't even follow....So Mac is 2nd most talented now?
> >
> >
> >
> > Mac is most talented by a long way,
>
> Again, links please?
>
> Mac (and everybody else) says Federer is the most talented. Should I
> believe Mac or a troll named Whisper?? Hmm... tough choice...
>
> > but Sampras is best player in
> > absolute terms - ie his strengths are big enough to make up the talent
> > gap & win.
>
> ??? I thought you said Sampras was supremely talented in every area of
> the game with no weakness?
>
> > Mac is possibly 2nd best in absolute terms (not talking
> > talent here - following?)
>
> Er, no. WTF is "absolute terms"? Links?
>
> > but Fed/Hoad may be no.2.
>
> Hoad didn't win a whole lot so this whole "absolute terms" crap makes
> even less sense now.
>
> Seriously, you're falling apart here.
>
> Go back and do some homework, will ya?
Its funny how stupid his arguments are -- Mac calls Federer the most
talented player ever, so Whisper calls Mac most talented. Sampras
calls the new era tougher, so Whisper calls it weaker. Hoad says that
Gonzales can beat him even when he is at his best, so what does Whisper
do? He places Hoad as 2nd in absolute terms. :)
So Whisper basically enthrones people who themselves admit that they
don't deserve the crowns :)
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 17:20:53
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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Sasidharp wrote:
>>
>>Hoad didn't win a whole lot so this whole "absolute terms" crap makes
>>even less sense now.
>>
>>Seriously, you're falling apart here.
>>
>>Go back and do some homework, will ya?
>
>
> Its funny how stupid his arguments are -- Mac calls Federer the most
> talented player ever,
It doesn't matter what Mac says - hell he's been proven to go back on
just about every view he's held. Anyone who knows tennis agrees Mac is
by far the best tennis genius in history - Fed is very good from the
baseline, but he's a long way behind Mac.
> so Whisper calls Mac most talented. Sampras
> calls the new era tougher, so Whisper calls it weaker. Hoad says that
> Gonzales can beat him even when he is at his best, so what does Whisper
> do? He places Hoad as 2nd in absolute terms. :)
Pancho said Hoad was better.
>
> So Whisper basically enthrones people who themselves admit that they
> don't deserve the crowns :)
>
If Bill Gates said he was poor you'd agree? You're dumb.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 01:42:06
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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On 29 2006 12:34:48 -0800, "Sasidharp" <sasidharpv@gmail.com >
wrote:
>arnab.z@gmail wrote:
>> Whisper wrote:
>> > arnab.z@gmail wrote:
>> > > Whisper wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>No, Mac is by far the most talented player ever,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Links?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>& possibly 2nd best in
>> > >>absolute terms
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ???
>> > >
>> > > That doesn't even follow....So Mac is 2nd most talented now?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mac is most talented by a long way,
>>
>> Again, links please?
>>
>> Mac (and everybody else) says Federer is the most talented. Should I
>> believe Mac or a troll named Whisper?? Hmm... tough choice...
>>
>> > but Sampras is best player in
>> > absolute terms - ie his strengths are big enough to make up the talent
>> > gap & win.
>>
>> ??? I thought you said Sampras was supremely talented in every area of
>> the game with no weakness?
>>
>> > Mac is possibly 2nd best in absolute terms (not talking
>> > talent here - following?)
>>
>> Er, no. WTF is "absolute terms"? Links?
>>
>> > but Fed/Hoad may be no.2.
>>
>> Hoad didn't win a whole lot so this whole "absolute terms" crap makes
>> even less sense now.
>>
>> Seriously, you're falling apart here.
>>
>> Go back and do some homework, will ya?
>
>Its funny how stupid his arguments are -- Mac calls Federer the most
>talented player ever, so Whisper calls Mac most talented. Sampras
>calls the new era tougher, so Whisper calls it weaker. Hoad says that
>Gonzales can beat him even when he is at his best, so what does Whisper
>do? He places Hoad as 2nd in absolute terms. :)
>
>So Whisper basically enthrones people who themselves admit that they
>don't deserve the crowns :)
That's what toads do. And, whisper is a toad.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 04:58:20
From: Sasidharp
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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>
> It doesn't matter what Mac says - hell he's been proven to go back on
> just about every view he's held. Anyone who knows tennis agrees Mac is
> by far the best tennis genius in history
>
Oh really? :) Links?
>
>
> > so Whisper calls Mac most talented. Sampras
> > calls the new era tougher, so Whisper calls it weaker. Hoad says that
> > Gonzales can beat him even when he is at his best, so what does Whisper
> > do? He places Hoad as 2nd in absolute terms. :)
>
>
> Pancho said Hoad was better.
>
links?
>
> >
> > So Whisper basically enthrones people who themselves admit that they
> > don't deserve the crowns :)
> >
>
>
> If Bill Gates said he was poor you'd agree? You're dumb.
But DID Bill Gates say that he was poor? And did he mean it? Mac says
that Federer is the most talented player and he BELIEVES it. So do a
lot of others.
In fact, I bet if you did a poll among all of the tennis analysts as to
who the most talented player of all time was then I will bet you $100
that Federer will win the poll.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 12:59:24
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: 8000 points -- Unbelievable! Federer is King!
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On 30 2006 04:58:20 -0800, "Sasidharp" <sasidharpv@gmail.com >
wrote:
>
>>
>> It doesn't matter what Mac says - hell he's been proven to go back on
>> just about every view he's held. Anyone who knows tennis agrees Mac is
>> by far the best tennis genius in history
>>
>
>Oh really? :) Links?
>>
>>
>> > so Whisper calls Mac most talented. Sampras
>> > calls the new era tougher, so Whisper calls it weaker. Hoad says that
>> > Gonzales can beat him even when he is at his best, so what does Whisper
>> > do? He places Hoad as 2nd in absolute terms. :)
>>
>>
>> Pancho said Hoad was better.
>>
>links?
>>
>> >
>> > So Whisper basically enthrones people who themselves admit that they
>> > don't deserve the crowns :)
>> >
>>
>>
>> If Bill Gates said he was poor you'd agree? You're dumb.
>But DID Bill Gates say that he was poor? And did he mean it? Mac says
>that Federer is the most talented player and he BELIEVES it. So do a
>lot of others.
>
>In fact, I bet if you did a poll among all of the tennis analysts as to
>who the most talented player of all time was then I will bet you $100
>that Federer will win the poll.
I'd bet $10,000
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