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Date: 28 Oct 2006 12:07:39
From: X L
Subject: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
he loses to Gonzo next
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 11:09:34
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> Care to point to anything in the stats for the match that suggest fatigue?
6-3, 2-6, 7-6? Against Schrichapan? That should be enough for you.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 14:18:39
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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andrew.reys@gmail.com wrote:
> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>
>>Care to point to anything in the stats for the match that suggest fatigue?
>
>
> 6-3, 2-6, 7-6? Against Schrichapan? That should be enough for you.
>
What about Hewitt d Sampras 7-6 6-1 6-1 after Sampras beat Agassi, Safin
& Rafter, & being 30 yrs old?
Vari says it's preposterous to suggest Sampras was tired, so that means
no chance for Fed in this bo3 tune-up v journeymen...
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 18:22:16
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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andrew.reys@gmail.com wrote:
> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>> Care to point to anything in the stats for the match that suggest fatigue?
>
> 6-3, 2-6, 7-6? Against Schrichapan? That should be enough for you.
>
Shittypan played well. Nothing in Federer's performance indicates tiredness.
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 11:08:29
From: Jughead
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> Jughead wrote:
> > Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> >> Jughead wrote:
> >>> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> >>>> X L wrote:
> >>>>> With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
> >>>>> he loses to Gonzo next
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So now we have an excuse all ready should a player manage to beat him
> >>>> there. Paris is a mandatory event.
> >>> Its not an excuse. Its what you can see on court. Irrespective of
> >>> whether he is winning or losing, he looks tired on court. Will be good
> >>> if he can skip Paris and concentrate on YEC.
> >>>
> >>> -Aravind
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > Seeing him on TV was enough.
> >
>
> So that would be a 'no'.
Could also mean that I am not one to use statistics as a tool to check
if a person is tired or not.
-Aravind
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 18:25:40
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Jughead wrote:
> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>
>>Jughead wrote:
>>
>>>Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jughead wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>X L wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
>>>>>>>he loses to Gonzo next
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So now we have an excuse all ready should a player manage to beat him
>>>>>>there. Paris is a mandatory event.
>>>>>
>>>>>Its not an excuse. Its what you can see on court. Irrespective of
>>>>>whether he is winning or losing, he looks tired on court. Will be good
>>>>>if he can skip Paris and concentrate on YEC.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Aravind
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>Seeing him on TV was enough.
>>>
>>
>>So that would be a 'no'.
>
>
> Could also mean that I am not one to use statistics as a tool to check
> if a person is tired or not.
>
> -Aravind
>
Seems silly of Groundie to question visual evidence for a 3 set match
that could be seen in its entirety.
Just in case you don't know, Groundie is a troll.
--
Cheers,
vc
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 14:19:38
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
> Jughead wrote:
>
>> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>>
>>> Jughead wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jughead wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> X L wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be
>>>>>>>> surprised if
>>>>>>>> he loses to Gonzo next
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So now we have an excuse all ready should a player manage to beat
>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>> there. Paris is a mandatory event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its not an excuse. Its what you can see on court. Irrespective of
>>>>>> whether he is winning or losing, he looks tired on court. Will be
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> if he can skip Paris and concentrate on YEC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Aravind
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Seeing him on TV was enough.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So that would be a 'no'.
>>
>>
>>
>> Could also mean that I am not one to use statistics as a tool to check
>> if a person is tired or not.
>>
>> -Aravind
>>
>
> Seems silly of Groundie to question visual evidence for a 3 set match
> that could be seen in its entirety.
>
> Just in case you don't know, Groundie is a troll.
>
Your views on Sampras top any Groundie trolling by a big margin....
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 11:00:45
From: Jughead
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> Jughead wrote:
> > Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> >> X L wrote:
> >>> With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
> >>> he loses to Gonzo next
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> So now we have an excuse all ready should a player manage to beat him
> >> there. Paris is a mandatory event.
> >
> > Its not an excuse. Its what you can see on court. Irrespective of
> > whether he is winning or losing, he looks tired on court. Will be good
> > if he can skip Paris and concentrate on YEC.
> >
> > -Aravind
> >
>
>
Seeing him on TV was enough.
> Care to point to anything in the stats for the match that suggest fatigue?
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 18:02:30
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Jughead wrote:
> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>> Jughead wrote:
>>> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>>>> X L wrote:
>>>>> With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
>>>>> he loses to Gonzo next
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So now we have an excuse all ready should a player manage to beat him
>>>> there. Paris is a mandatory event.
>>> Its not an excuse. Its what you can see on court. Irrespective of
>>> whether he is winning or losing, he looks tired on court. Will be good
>>> if he can skip Paris and concentrate on YEC.
>>>
>>> -Aravind
>>>
>>
>
> Seeing him on TV was enough.
>
So that would be a 'no'.
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 10:39:21
From: Jughead
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> X L wrote:
> > With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
> > he loses to Gonzo next
> >
>
>
>
> So now we have an excuse all ready should a player manage to beat him
> there. Paris is a mandatory event.
Its not an excuse. Its what you can see on court. Irrespective of
whether he is winning or losing, he looks tired on court. Will be good
if he can skip Paris and concentrate on YEC.
-Aravind
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 17:54:15
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Jughead wrote:
> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>> X L wrote:
>>> With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
>>> he loses to Gonzo next
>>>
>>
>>
>> So now we have an excuse all ready should a player manage to beat him
>> there. Paris is a mandatory event.
>
> Its not an excuse. Its what you can see on court. Irrespective of
> whether he is winning or losing, he looks tired on court. Will be good
> if he can skip Paris and concentrate on YEC.
>
> -Aravind
>
Care to point to anything in the stats for the match that suggest fatigue?
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 14:15:20
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Jughead wrote:
> Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>
>>X L wrote:
>>
>>>With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
>>>he loses to Gonzo next
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>So now we have an excuse all ready should a player manage to beat him
>>there. Paris is a mandatory event.
>
>
> Its not an excuse. Its what you can see on court. Irrespective of
> whether he is winning or losing, he looks tired on court. Will be good
> if he can skip Paris and concentrate on YEC.
>
> -Aravind
>
Nope - Vari said Sampras wasn't tired in '01 USO final, & Fed is 6 yrs
younger & it's only bo3. Vari will back me up here too.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 13:32:40
From: rootbummer
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Whisper wrote:
> Nope - Vari said Sampras wasn't tired in '01 USO final, & Fed is 6 yrs
> younger & it's only bo3. Vari will back me up here too.
Yes, but - tired or not - Federer actually *won* the match. :)
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 10:25:45
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> So now we have an excuse all ready should a player manage to beat him
> there. Paris is a mandatory event.
What? GroundAxe complaining about people setting up excuses pre-match?
Hah.
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 16:25:24
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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X L wrote:
> With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
> he loses to Gonzo next
>
So now we have an excuse all ready should a player manage to beat him
there. Paris is a mandatory event.
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 09:19:35
From:
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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X L wrote:
> With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
> he loses to Gonzo next
I think he should pull out of Paris - he looked tired in the second set
today.
Is the final best of 3 or 5 sets?
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 16:25:40
From: Dr. GroundAxe
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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gregorawe@hotmail.com wrote:
> X L wrote:
>
>> With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
>> he loses to Gonzo next
>
> I think he should pull out of Paris - he looked tired in the second set
> today.
>
> Is the final best of 3 or 5 sets?
>
Best of 5 traditionally
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 09:17:01
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Gonzo should be very empty too and leaking!
X L wrote:
> With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
> he loses to Gonzo next
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 22:46:11
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Whisper wrote:
> What about Hewitt d Sampras 7-6 6-1 6-1 after Sampras beat Agassi, Safin
> & Rafter, & being 30 yrs old?
Wait, wait. I'm sorry. Are you comparing 2-time Slam champion Hewitt to
Schrichapan? And are you also comparing the US Open to a *really*
meaningless tune-up? Gee, that's great - you have about as much
consistency as the Sampras backhand.
I guarantee you that were this the US Open, Federer would have probably
been a hell of a lot more "up" for the match.
> Vari says it's preposterous to suggest Sampras was tired, so that means
> no chance for Fed in this bo3 tune-up v journeymen...
Yeah with the minor exception that..you know...Federer's been having a
match virtually everyday for 2 weeks now and he came up against a
journeyman basically playing the match of his life.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 19:06:02
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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andrew.reys@gmail.com wrote:
> Whisper wrote:
>
>>What about Hewitt d Sampras 7-6 6-1 6-1 after Sampras beat Agassi, Safin
>>& Rafter, & being 30 yrs old?
>
>
> Wait, wait. I'm sorry. Are you comparing 2-time Slam champion Hewitt to
> Schrichapan? And are you also comparing the US Open to a *really*
> meaningless tune-up? Gee, that's great - you have about as much
> consistency as the Sampras backhand.
>
> I guarantee you that were this the US Open, Federer would have probably
> been a hell of a lot more "up" for the match.
>
>
>>Vari says it's preposterous to suggest Sampras was tired, so that means
>>no chance for Fed in this bo3 tune-up v journeymen...
>
>
> Yeah with the minor exception that..you know...Federer's been having a
> match virtually everyday for 2 weeks now and he came up against a
> journeyman basically playing the match of his life.
>
Lame. Where was sampras in his career at age 30...?
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 12:00:04
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> Shittypan played well. Nothing in Federer's performance indicates tiredness.
Wow you admitted that an opponent of Federer's played well. That is
definite progress, even though just a little while ago you were
complaining about him choking in the tie-break or some such shit. Not
to mention that, while fatigue can affect stats, stats do not
necessarily reflect fatigue. And had you actually watched the match,
you would have noticed signs of tiredness.
How many matches did Sampras play in which it was obvious that he was
barely standing on his feet, but where he kept serving up ace after ace
and blasting winner after winner? Quite a few.
You should go out and actually play the game at some point, you know?
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 11:26:38
From:
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> andrew.reys@gmail.com wrote:
> > Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
> >> Care to point to anything in the stats for the match that suggest fatigue?
> >
> > 6-3, 2-6, 7-6? Against Schrichapan? That should be enough for you.
> >
>
>
> Shittypan played well. Nothing in Federer's performance indicates tiredness.
Yes, Schrichapan played very well. However, Federer looked tired (by
looking at his face).
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 07:42:19
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Whisper wrote:
> Lame. Where was sampras in his career at age 30...?
Still winning slams, interestingly enough. Not to mention that his
playing style - and average length of points - lead to far less
physical exhertion than Federer's.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 13:46:43
From: Luke Croll
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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On Sat, 28 2006 12:07:39 -0400, Xzanado@webtv.net (X L) wrote:
>With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
>he loses to Gonzo next
I think he will beat Gonzo and depending on how tough a match it is,
he may well withdraw from Paris. He's got two days to recover, and
he'll probably play late on Weds, but I don't think he'll sacrifice a
good run at the YEC for the sake of Paris.
Earlier in the week, his draw didn't look tough at all, but I was
surprised yesterday by how jaded he appeared against Srichaphan.
Perhaps he's been doing a Safin and partying with his pals in Basle?
--
Luke Croll
Conference interpreter and translator
http://lukecroll.translatorscafe.com
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 13:05:51
From: Vari L. Cinicke
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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Luke Croll wrote:
> On Sat, 28 2006 12:07:39 -0400, Xzanado@webtv.net (X L) wrote:
>> With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
>> he loses to Gonzo next
>
> I think he will beat Gonzo and depending on how tough a match it is,
> he may well withdraw from Paris. He's got two days to recover, and
> he'll probably play late on Weds, but I don't think he'll sacrifice a
> good run at the YEC for the sake of Paris.
>
> Earlier in the week, his draw didn't look tough at all, but I was
> surprised yesterday by how jaded he appeared against Srichaphan.
> Perhaps he's been doing a Safin and partying with his pals in Basle?
He apparently mentioned in his SF interview that he had better get to
bed early to rest up for the final. So you may be on the right track.
--
Cheers,
vc
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 12:48:15
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: How is Federer going to play in the Paris open?
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On Sun, 29 2006 13:46:43 +0100, Luke Croll <Lukecroll@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>On Sat, 28 2006 12:07:39 -0400, Xzanado@webtv.net (X L) wrote:
>>With a empty tank? he looks totally spent. nobody should be surprised if
>>he loses to Gonzo next
>
>I think he will beat Gonzo and depending on how tough a match it is,
>he may well withdraw from Paris. He's got two days to recover, and
>he'll probably play late on Weds, but I don't think he'll sacrifice a
>good run at the YEC for the sake of Paris.
>
>Earlier in the week, his draw didn't look tough at all, but I was
>surprised yesterday by how jaded he appeared against Srichaphan.
>Perhaps he's been doing a Safin and partying with his pals in Basle?
I think that could be it. Visiting a lot of friends and family and not
getting enough sleep !
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