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stands wearing a Stars and Stripes pullover and punches his fists in the air when Roddick was close to winning aginst Safin. The director is supposed to direct the tournament, not be one of the fans, and is supposed to be impartial. This tournament stinks of trying to do everything to get Roddick to win it. It was the same with Agassi last year and is frankly embarrassing. I really hope Fed waxes Roddick in the final just to see the look on his face. I'm surprised Roddick moves so well around the court considering that he has McIngvale's tongue stuck so far up his ass. |
> The director is supposed to direct the tournament, not be one of the > fans Why? > and is supposed to be impartial. This tournament stinks of trying > to do everything to get Roddick to win it. It was the same with Agassi > last year and is frankly embarrassing. McIngvale is a clown, but he does put a lot of money into tennis. What do you do for the sport? > I really hope Fed waxes Roddick in the final just to see the look on his > face. Do you seriously think McIngvale cheering for Roddick can possibly impact the outcome of the match? -- Congratulations to George W Bush ! |
>>The director is supposed to direct the tournament, not be one of the >>fans > > > Why? > Because that's what a tournament director does, funnily enough. If the wants to support Roddick, hand over the running of the event to someone else and jump into the stands. It's disrectful to the other players if the director is seen to be favouring one player over another. If there's a difficult decision to be made, e.g. involving Roddick, he has to be seen to be impartial. > >>and is supposed to be impartial. This tournament stinks of trying >>to do everything to get Roddick to win it. It was the same with Agassi >>last year and is frankly embarrassing. > > > McIngvale is a clown, but he does put a lot of money into tennis. What do > you do for the sport? > So you agree he is a clown - that was my point. Thanks. What's the money got to do with it? Just because he has put a lot of cash into tennis doesn't give him the right to behave badly. His millions of dollars don't seem to have bought him some basic good manners. I do a lot for tennis in my local club actually, but that's also irrelevant. > >>I really hope Fed waxes Roddick in the final just to see the look on his >>face. > > > Do you seriously think McIngvale cheering for Roddick can possibly impact > the outcome of the match? > > Irrelevant. I can't imagine it would affect the result of a match, no, but that doesn't make it right. Look, his behaviour last year after the final was appalling and totally disrespectful to the guy who had just won the event. It looks like nothing much has changed this year. McIngvale seems to think that just because he has bought his way to running the tournament that this should be some sort of US championships with unfortunately a few of those strange-looking foreigners with funny names allowed to play. I'm suprised he didn't pay off Coria to withdraw so that his other idol Agassi could make the field. |
> I'm suprised he didn't pay off Coria to withdraw so that his other idol > Agassi could make the field. Because his idol Agassi already had withdrawn, so, in the event of Coria withdrawing, Ca?as takes his place ;) -- Javier Gonzalez Nicolini Ingeniero Civil en Computacion - Universidad de Chile |
> > The director is supposed to direct the tournament, not be one of the > > fans > > Why? > > > and is supposed to be impartial. This tournament stinks of trying > > to do everything to get Roddick to win it. It was the same with Agassi > > last year and is frankly embarrassing. > > McIngvale is a clown, but he does put a lot of money into tennis. What do > you do for the sport? That's it exactly. The guy spends millions on millions for the front row seat. He could sit there naked with his pecker painted red and his balls blue if he wanted. That's all there is to it. |
> "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com> wrote in message news:<z0lnd.1323$3I.472@okepread01>... > >>>The director is supposed to direct the tournament, not be one of the >>>fans >> >>Why? >> >> >>>and is supposed to be impartial. This tournament stinks of trying >>>to do everything to get Roddick to win it. It was the same with Agassi >>>last year and is frankly embarrassing. >> >>McIngvale is a clown, but he does put a lot of money into tennis. What do >>you do for the sport? > > > That's it exactly. The guy spends millions on millions for the front > row seat. He could sit there naked with his pecker painted red and > his balls blue if he wanted. That's all there is to it. McIngvale is very generous with his money. He has also sponsored bridge tournaments in Houston. Disclaimer - I have benefited from those sponsorships. |
> stands wearing a Stars and Stripes pullover and punches his fists in the > air when Roddick was close to winning aginst Safin. > > The director is supposed to direct the tournament, not be one of the > fans, and is supposed to be impartial. This tournament stinks of trying > to do everything to get Roddick to win it. It was the same with Agassi > last year and is frankly embarrassing. > > I really hope Fed waxes Roddick in the final just to see the look on his > face. > > I'm surprised Roddick moves so well around the court considering that he > has McIngvale's tongue stuck so far up his ass. I can't stand McInvale - or Roddick for that matter - but I can't see his behaviour having any kind of real effect, other than maybe annoying a few players, but why shouldn't a promoter be allowed to be a fan and cheer his favorites? McInvale is the kind of guy tennis needs, and if nothing else, it added an extra bit of excitement when Nalbandian got in his face a little bit last year. I don't think there have been any major incidents this year, though. I think a few players were surprised last year, but this time they know what he is about, and that he is just a harmless character who likes his tennis. |
"Erich" <spoing@spammadoomylaaaa.uit > wrote in message news:3Tmnd.3257230$yk.507715@news.easynews.com... >> The tournament director of the Masters Cup sits in the front row of the >> stands wearing a Stars and Stripes pullover and punches his fists in the >> air when Roddick was close to winning aginst Safin. >> >> The director is supposed to direct the tournament, not be one of the >> fans, and is supposed to be impartial. This tournament stinks of trying >> to do everything to get Roddick to win it. It was the same with Agassi >> last year and is frankly embarrassing. >> >> I really hope Fed waxes Roddick in the final just to see the look on his >> face. >> >> I'm surprised Roddick moves so well around the court considering that he >> has McIngvale's tongue stuck so far up his ass. > > I can't stand McInvale - or Roddick for that matter - but I can't see his > behaviour having any kind of real effect, other than maybe annoying a few > players, but why shouldn't a promoter be allowed to be a fan and cheer his > favorites? McInvale is the kind of guy tennis needs, and if nothing else, > it > added an extra bit of excitement when Nalbandian got in his face a little > bit last year. I don't think there have been any major incidents this > year, > though. I think a few players were surprised last year, but this time they > know what he is about, and that he is just a harmless character who likes > his tennis. > Yeah, I don't see what the big deal is...He did stand up and applaud Federer after he beat Moya. He does have funny ears tho. |
[ ... ] > I can't stand McInvale - or Roddick for that matter - but I can't see his > behaviour having any kind of real effect, other than maybe annoying a few > players, but why shouldn't a promoter be allowed to be a fan and cheer his > favorites? McInvale is the kind of guy tennis needs, and if nothing else, it > added an extra bit of excitement when Nalbandian got in his face a little > bit last year. I don't think there have been any major incidents this year, > though. I think a few players were surprised last year, but this time they > know what he is about, and that he is just a harmless character who likes > his tennis. He's not harmless. He put this event -- which should be *required* to be indoors -- on outdoor hardcourt to favour Roddick. There is no real problem with him rooting for a particular player, as long as it's within reason -- but when it affects the way a tournament is run, there is reason to object. And Mattress Mac's decisions *do* affect the way the tournament is run. I also wonder about a guy who runs a tournament but has that much time to sit in the stands. A tournament is a tricky thing to run. If he has that much free time, particularly in the early years of an event when there are still details to nail down, it implies that he's either neglecting things or paying more people than the tournament needs. I suspect the former. No, I don't *know* this. But it's worrisome. -- The plural of "anecdote" is not "data." -- unknown (at least to me) |
> to be indoors -- on outdoor hardcourt to favour Roddick. Federer and Hewitt don't mind hardcourts too much, and the rest of the field, with the possible exception of Henman, would probably all say they are more comfortable on a hardcourt than they are indoors. The "favoring Roddick" argument is just a red herring. It doesn't mean anything. > There > is no real problem with him rooting for a particular player, > as long as it's within reason -- but when it affects the way a > tournament is run, there is reason to object. And Mattress Mac's > decisions *do* affect the way the tournament is run. Give me an example. > I also wonder about a guy who runs a tournament but has that much > time to sit in the stands. A tournament is a tricky thing to run. > If he has that much free time, particularly in the early years of > an event when there are still details to nail down, it implies that > he's either neglecting things or paying more people than the > tournament needs. I suspect the former. No, I don't *know* this. > But it's worrisome. When McInvale gets a PDB saying "European Players Determined To Win Within The US" and then goes on holiday, you might have a case :-) I would love to agree with you, but I just don't see a real problem here. |
> > He's not harmless. He put this event -- which should be *required* > > to be indoors -- on outdoor hardcourt to favour Roddick. > > Federer and Hewitt don't mind hardcourts too much, and the rest of the > field, with the possible exception of Henman, would probably all say they > are more comfortable on a hardcourt than they are indoors. The "favoring > Roddick" argument is just a red herring. It doesn't mean anything. It's *not* a red herring. Didn't you hear Safin's rant about this? It's not a matter of surface preferences; as a matter of fact, the majority of the players (Coria, Moya, Gaudio, Hewitt, Roddick; also Agassi had he played) prefer hardcourts *in general*; only Federer, Safin, and Henman would be likely to prefer indoor surfaces. But they've been practicing and playing indoors. Players care about surfaces -- and this is the time of the year when play belongs indoors. They want to be indoors. This apart from the fact that there are too many hardcourt events already. > > There > > is no real problem with him rooting for a particular player, > > as long as it's within reason -- but when it affects the way a > > tournament is run, there is reason to object. And Mattress Mac's > > decisions *do* affect the way the tournament is run. > > Give me an example. He put it outdoors, in Houston, in the rain. Matches delayed, postponed, interrupted. That doesn't affect things? -- The plural of "anecdote" is not "data." -- unknown (at least to me) |
Safin complained about something!?!?!? OK, you've got me there :-) > It's not a matter of surface preferences; as a matter of fact, the > majority of the players (Coria, Moya, Gaudio, Hewitt, Roddick; also > Agassi had he played) prefer hardcourts *in general*; only > Federer, Safin, and Henman would be likely to prefer indoor > surfaces. But they've been practicing and playing indoors. > Players care about surfaces -- and this is the time of the > year when play belongs indoors. They want to be indoors. I would prefer to see it indoor too, but it's not a big enough issue to claim McInvale is somehow incompetent or not doing a good job running the tournament. > He put it outdoors, in Houston, in the rain. Matches delayed, > postponed, interrupted. That doesn't affect things? Yes, but it's the same for everyone, and it's hardly the only tournament that's been affected by the weather this year. I am not sure if this is typical Texas November weather. There didn't seem to be that many rain delays last year. |
McIngvale is clearly the face and CEO of the event. but, Drewett is the one who makes all the decisions regarding play, differences. etc. McIngvale and his wife Linda are both listed as Co-Tournament Chairs. http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/605.asp So, I have no problem with what McIngvale does. NONE, in fact. He bought and brought the event back to the US, and has been a godsend for the sport in the Houston area. The guy bought a moribund tennis club (Westside) and turned it into one of the premier tennis venues in the US (It has all FOUR surfaces of the Grand Slams...with actual clay shipped in from Roland Garros, even!). He has stumped for more US events, resuscitated a dead event in Florida (Clay Court Championships) and put in Houston and it's been a rousing success. He landed a Davis Cup tie in Houston in early 2002, and both events and the last two US Championships events have been SOLD OUT (which is more than can be said about the WTA's event, with all those people masquerading as empty seats, even on Monday's final). McIngvale's fought to try to KEEP the Masters Cup in the US, been an ardent supporter of the sport and ALWAYS put his money where his mouth was when it came to it. . I think maybe he shouldn't be so visibly supportive of the American players since everyone recognizes this as HIS event. But really, the guy can pretty much do and say whatever he damn well pleases. He's done his part already to make tennis a better game. Let him cheer for whoever he wants to. jeff |
disagree with that, too. The event was made an outdoor hardcourt event long before Roddick had ever even qualified for it. When McIngvale bought the rights to the tournament in mid-2002, that was his decision and pregrogative to do what he wanted with it. Obviously an outdoor hardcourt stadium is a lot easier to build than clay or building an indoor court. Roddick didn't even make the Masters in 2002.. Last year (2003) was his first time. Was McIngvale that much of a visionary - looking into the future and "fixing" the tournament -as an outdoor hardcourt event in 2002 - knowing that in 2003 and 2004 Roddick would be one of the favorites for the event ...and thus putting it on a surface favorable to him? I think not. As far as weather, well... how far are they behind schedule right now? Not one single match (though, the weather isn't looking promising for the rest of the weekend). Still, it's 72 degrees in Houston today - Nov. 19. How many other places in the US can say that? All this Houston-bashing is making me sick. Enjoy the fact that it's an American tournament, people. Because next year you'll be watching (or not watching) the finals at 4 am when it's in Shanghai. Jeff |
"I would love to agree with you, but I just don't see a real problem here." yes, he has a very high "threshold for truth"... |
"yes, he has a very high "threshold for truth"..." Maybe we should ask the NY Post to look into it? :-P |
> to be indoors Why? |
> > He's not harmless. He put this event -- which should be *required* > > to be indoors > > Why? Already answered in the post: From the players' standpoint, they don't want to shift surfaces for one event. Each surface requires different footwork and mental habits. Changes are undesirable. It's also worth remembering that this is the most important non-Slam, but it doesn't really have any spare days. At a Slam, a player only plays one day in two; if there are rain delays, it means more work, but you always have some slack. Not here! Suppose the rain, instead of happening Monday through Wednesday, had happened on Thursday through Saturday. Then what? From the standpoint of the balance of the tour, because we don't need more hardcourts. Right now, if you look at the balance of required events apart from the Masters Cup, we have Hardcourt: 6 (Australian Open, U. S. Open, Indian Wells, Miami, Canadian Open, Cincinnati) Clay: 4 (Roland Garros, Monte Carlo, Rome, Hamburg) Indoor: 2 (Madrid, Paris) Grass: 1 (Wimbledon) It's too much hardcourt even without the Masters Cup. Either you say tennis is a one-surface sport and put *everything* on hardcourt (boring but reasonable), or you award enough points on the other surfaces to let all sorts of players succeed. As it stands, the Top Ten are expected to earn more than half their points on hardcourt. It's too strong a bias. Regarding Mattress Mac's own behavior: All right, if he isn't tournament director (see the other posts), I'll concede the point that he can sit in the stands and do what he wants. That's fair. Financier isn't organizer. But if he has all that money, he should put it where it would do some good: Into a roof. As it is, he's lost a mint to all the tickets he's had to refund and reschedule. -- The plural of "anecdote" is not "data." -- unknown (at least to me) |
news:419ddaad$0$29084$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net... > The tournament director of the Masters Cup sits in the front row of the > stands wearing a Stars and Stripes pullover and punches his fists in the > air when Roddick was close to winning aginst Safin. > The director is supposed to direct the tournament, not be one of the fans, > and is supposed to be impartial. This tournament stinks of trying to do > everything to get Roddick to win it. It was the same with Agassi last year > and is frankly embarrassing. > I really hope Fed waxes Roddick in the final just to see the look on his > face. > I'm surprised Roddick moves so well around the court considering that he > has McIngvale's tongue stuck so far up his ass. mcinvale is a big ass, for sure..i don't condone his behavior at all. but all he's doing outwardly is what other tournament directors of other tournaments in other countries do while hiding ..if you think they don't cheer for henman, or becker or graf or ASV, feds, JCF, etc..in their home countries, then grow up. bob |
> tournaments in other countries do while hiding ..if you think they don't > cheer for henman, or becker or graf or ASV, feds, JCF, etc..in their home > countries, then grow up. I am not sure about the Brits. Wimbledon have been slowing down the grass and introducing bigger and bigger balls in recent years in an effort to keep Henman from winning the title. I am surprised they even let him play on centre court :-) |
"Erich" <spoing@spammadoomylaaaa.uit > wrote in message news:4Sond.5359108$6p.866530@news.easynews.com... >> but all he's doing outwardly is what other tournament directors of other >> tournaments in other countries do while hiding ..if you think they don't >> cheer for henman, or becker or graf or ASV, feds, JCF, etc..in their home >> countries, then grow up. > > I am not sure about the Brits. Wimbledon have been slowing down the grass > and introducing bigger and bigger balls in recent years in an effort to > keep > Henman from winning the title. I am surprised they even let him play on > centre court :-) no, in the effort of what they believe will make a better tv spectacle.. bob |
grass > > and introducing bigger and bigger balls in recent years in an effort to > > keep > > Henman from winning the title. I am surprised they even let him play on > > centre court :-) > > no, in the effort of what they believe will make a better tv spectacle.. > > bob Yes, notice the smiley. |
> "Greg O'Rawe" <greg.orawe@openwave.com> wrote in message > news:419ddaad$0$29084$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net... > >>The tournament director of the Masters Cup sits in the front row of the >>stands wearing a Stars and Stripes pullover and punches his fists in the >>air when Roddick was close to winning aginst Safin. >>The director is supposed to direct the tournament, not be one of the fans, >>and is supposed to be impartial. This tournament stinks of trying to do >>everything to get Roddick to win it. It was the same with Agassi last year >>and is frankly embarrassing. >>I really hope Fed waxes Roddick in the final just to see the look on his >>face. >>I'm surprised Roddick moves so well around the court considering that he >>has McIngvale's tongue stuck so far up his ass. > > > mcinvale is a big ass, for sure..i don't condone his behavior at all. > > but all he's doing outwardly is what other tournament directors of other > tournaments in other countries do while hiding ..if you think they don't > cheer for henman, or becker or graf or ASV, feds, JCF, etc..in their home > countries, then grow up. > I agree that this is probably the case - I'm sure Chris Gorringe is rooting for Henman *inwardly* in the tournament office at Wimbledon, for example. But he's not up on Heman Hill wrapped in a Union Jack shouting for Tim where everyone can see him. It's just unprofessional. > bob > > |
greg.orawe@openwave.com (Greg O'Rawe) wrote: > I agree that this is probably the case - I'm sure Chris Gorringe is > rooting for Henman *inwardly* in the tournament office at Wimbledon, > for example. But he's not up on Heman Hill wrapped in a Union Jack > shouting for Tim where everyone can see him. > > It's just unprofessional. I'd agree with that. You want the players in the event to feel that you're fair, if not impartial. Otherwise they lose confidence, not just in you, but in the umpires, line judges, schedulers, and all the other folks whom you might have instructed to favor certain players. And once that happens, you start having trouble assembling enough players for your event. wg |
> The tournament director of the Masters Cup sits in the front row of the > stands wearing a Stars and Stripes pullover and punches his fists in the > air when Roddick was close to winning aginst Safin. Remember his face last year when Fed beat both Agassi and Roddick ? :D |