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Date: 15 Feb 2009 07:02:42
From: wkhedr
Subject: what is happening to the #1 player in the world?
is he fake?




 
Date: 15 Feb 2009 10:46:08
From: mary
Subject: Re: what is happening to the #1 player in the world?
On 15 Feb, 17:49, Petter Solbu <pettermann1...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> jingus wrote:
> > as to juicing, my only criticisms ofnadalare related to doping - i
> > prefer player who play clean rather than juiced up. =A0other than that,
> > i think highly of the way thatnadalplays and competes.
>
> ? Doping?
>
> PS.

I remember this subject coming up the time he beat Federer at
Wimbledon.
I think it was said then that all allegations regarding Nadal's
physical condition as being unnactural were baseless and wrong.
It is true he does seem more or less superhuman but maybe his knee is
going to be his Achille's heel.I couldn't see how a body could stand
up to what he was putting it though on the court- even if his
mentality could .
If his knee problem is serious I can see it putting an end to his
domination of the sport.


 
Date: 15 Feb 2009 08:22:19
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: what is happening to the #1 player in the world?
On Feb 15, 11:04=A0am, jingus <jin...@mindspring.com > wrote:
> Wayne wrote:
> > On 15 Feb, 15:02, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >>is he fake?
>
> > hes injured you fool
>
> =A0>
>
> isn't this the third straight time that murray had defeated nadal?
>
> you could see some of the areas of vulnerability in nadal's game in the
> match against monfils. =A0monfils was serving terribly and seemed to be
> ailing but you could see flashes of the kind of play that troubles
> nadal. =A0la monf is as good a defensive player as nadal but he hits
> bigger shots and has a bigger serve than nadal. =A0and while i didn't see
> the match that nadal played against tsongas (sp?) he seemed to have
> difficulty with another big hitting, big serving opponent.
>
> federer strikes me as being more of an "art" player rather than being a
> particularly outstanding athlete. =A0i think that nadal has the athletic
> ability and discipline to handle an "art" game. =A0i think that nadal doe=
s
> seem to have more difficulty with players who have more athletic games.
>
> federer has fallen off my GOAT list; he might be a GOAT for "art" era
> tennis, but at present i think that it can be stated pretty conclusively
> that the "clown" era is over at present.

The "art" stays and the super juiced athletic game doesn't. This is
why we will have to wait another 5-8 years to make our conclusion.



  
Date: 15 Feb 2009 11:30:08
From: jingus
Subject: Re: what is happening to the #1 player in the world?
wkhedr wrote:
> On Feb 15, 11:04 am, jingus <jin...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>federer has fallen off my GOAT list; he might be a GOAT for "art" era
>>tennis, but at present i think that it can be stated pretty conclusively
>>that the "clown" era is over at present.
>
> The "art" stays and the super juiced athletic game doesn't. This is
> why we will have to wait another 5-8 years to make our conclusion.
>

when i refer to "art" i mean that some people take a view of art vs.
athletics with art being more important. regardless of what one's
athletic abilities are, there are skills that are specific to tennis
that one must master in order to be a good player. i just don't put
much significance on the appearance of one's strokes.

as to juicing, my only criticisms of nadal are related to doping - i
prefer player who play clean rather than juiced up. other than that,
i think highly of the way that nadal plays and competes.


   
Date: 15 Feb 2009 18:49:38
From: Petter Solbu
Subject: Re: what is happening to the #1 player in the world?
jingus wrote:
> as to juicing, my only criticisms of nadal are related to doping - i
> prefer player who play clean rather than juiced up. other than that,
> i think highly of the way that nadal plays and competes.

? Doping?

PS.


 
Date: 15 Feb 2009 07:08:12
From: wkhedr
Subject: Re: what is happening to the #1 player in the world?
On Feb 15, 10:04=A0am, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On 15 Feb, 15:02, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > is he fake?
>
> hes injured you fool

But he is supposed to be injured at the end of the year not now, what
happened?


 
Date: 15 Feb 2009 07:04:55
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: what is happening to the #1 player in the world?
On 15 Feb, 15:02, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com > wrote:
> is he fake?

hes injured you fool


  
Date: 16 Feb 2009 02:36:36
From: Superdave
Subject: Re: what is happening to the #1 player in the world?
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 07:04:55 -0800 (PST), Wayne <waynetv50@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>On 15 Feb, 15:02, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> is he fake?
>
>hes injured you fool


injured my ass. he's faking it cause he's shit scared of losing fair
and square so Rafa the CHEAT is stealing the glory from Murray.


  
Date: 15 Feb 2009 10:04:54
From: jingus
Subject: Re: what is happening to the #1 player in the world?
Wayne wrote:
> On 15 Feb, 15:02, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>>is he fake?
>
> hes injured you fool
>

isn't this the third straight time that murray had defeated nadal?

you could see some of the areas of vulnerability in nadal's game in the
match against monfils. monfils was serving terribly and seemed to be
ailing but you could see flashes of the kind of play that troubles
nadal. la monf is as good a defensive player as nadal but he hits
bigger shots and has a bigger serve than nadal. and while i didn't see
the match that nadal played against tsongas (sp?) he seemed to have
difficulty with another big hitting, big serving opponent.

federer strikes me as being more of an "art" player rather than being a
particularly outstanding athlete. i think that nadal has the athletic
ability and discipline to handle an "art" game. i think that nadal does
seem to have more difficulty with players who have more athletic games.

federer has fallen off my GOAT list; he might be a GOAT for "art" era
tennis, but at present i think that it can be stated pretty conclusively
that the "clown" era is over at present.


   
Date: 15 Feb 2009 19:11:21
From: jdeluise
Subject: Re: what is happening to the #1 player in the world?

On 15-Feb-2009, jingus <jingus@mindspring.com > wrote:

> Wayne wrote:
> > On 15 Feb, 15:02, wkhedr <wkh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> >>is he fake?
> >
> > hes injured you fool
> >
>
> isn't this the third straight time that murray had defeated nadal?
>
> you could see some of the areas of vulnerability in nadal's game in the
> match against monfils. monfils was serving terribly and seemed to be
> ailing but you could see flashes of the kind of play that troubles
> nadal. la monf is as good a defensive player as nadal but he hits
> bigger shots and has a bigger serve than nadal. and while i didn't see
> the match that nadal played against tsongas (sp?) he seemed to have
> difficulty with another big hitting, big serving opponent.
>
> federer strikes me as being more of an "art" player rather than being a
> particularly outstanding athlete. i think that nadal has the athletic
> ability and discipline to handle an "art" game. i think that nadal does
> seem to have more difficulty with players who have more athletic games.
>
> federer has fallen off my GOAT list; he might be a GOAT for "art" era
> tennis, but at present i think that it can be stated pretty conclusively
> that the "clown" era is over at present.

The "art" player beat the "athletic" player (Murray) at the last slam they
played against each other in pretty convincingly so I'm not sure what you
are trying to say.


    
Date: 15 Feb 2009 16:14:30
From: jingus
Subject: Re: what is happening to the #1 player in the world?
jdeluise wrote:
> On 15-Feb-2009, jingus <jingus@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>federer strikes me as being more of an "art" player rather than being a
>>particularly outstanding athlete. i think that nadal has the athletic
>>ability and discipline to handle an "art" game. i think that nadal does
>>seem to have more difficulty with players who have more athletic games.
>>
>>federer has fallen off my GOAT list; he might be a GOAT for "art" era
>>tennis, but at present i think that it can be stated pretty conclusively
>>that the "clown" era is over at present.
>
> The "art" player beat the "athletic" player (Murray) at the last slam they
> played against each other in pretty convincingly so I'm not sure what you
> are trying to say.
>

murray has actually put in a lot of work toward building himself up
physically. i'm not going to comment on whether he is talking 'roids
but he has shown a surprising amount of physical development if you
compare him to photos taken a few years ago. of course, if murray is
juicing then it is a sad commentary indeed on the state of sports.